Is Boris sh*tting himself?

[jjlynn27]

SpeedMattersNot said:

Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.

I think everyone will agree that he is many things but he's not stupid. Taking that into account, write down first few things that come to your mind for possible reasons.

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Edited by jjlynn27 on Thursday 30th June 23:09

[markh1973]

turbobloke said:

vonuber said:

turbobloke said:

We need a corptax cut and a business rates cut as soon as the new PM has got her/his Jimmy Choos / Barkers Brogues under the table.

How do you close the funding gap without cuts? how do you honour Cornwall's £60million/year?
Are we looking at raising tax rates?

I'd hope they'll raise the corptax take by the end of the 2 year negotiation period by lowering the rate.

Personal tax rates could go up and public spending could go down. I'm not the Chancellor and tfft.

CT is reducing to 18% as a result of one of last year's Finance Acts. Finance Bill 2016 brings in a further cut by 2020 to 17%.

[SpeedMattersNot]

don4l said:

Derek Smith said:

So Johnson was sh*tting himself all the time.

Well I misjudged the man. I had no idea he lacked bottle.

He's been promised some role from the contenders, May and Gove. The gods help us all if it is an important one.

Gove has got baking of a lot of MPs but up against May for the final vote, which looks likely, I would not rate his chances.

Johnson, the bloke who took some days to make up his mind which would give him more opportunity, stay or leave campaigning, now says he was a passionate leaver all along. Yeah, right.

I knew he was two faced, but three?

Derek,

You appear to becoming a bit emotional.

A few months ago Boris decided that Leave would win. He has wanted to be PM all his life, so he decided to pretend to be passionate about leaving the EU.

To be fair, he did a fantastic job. The way he allowed Gisela Stuart and Andrea Ledsman to handle the nasty personal attacks that Ms Eagle, Sturgeon and the other hectoring fishwife hurled towards him was a great demonstration of true leadership.

In case you don't remember, each time they delivered a personal insult, Dimbleby offered him the chance to defend himself. Each time he held his hand out to one of his deputies, indicating that they should speak. They did not let him down. That was a demonstration of true leadership.

Boris isn't a coward. He spotted an opportunity, and he went for it.

I'm not sure why Gove stuck the knife in. My feeling is that Gove thinks that Boris is not really committed to Brexit. This means that he believes that Boris cannot negotiate the best exit deal for Britain.

You may have seen that I would tell Junker and Tusk to sod off.

You might think that I am joking. I am not. I may enjoy "winding up lefties", but I also know that Britain really does have the upper hand in these discussions.

Europe really has an awful lot more to lose than we do. These negotiations are going to be a game of poker. The best bluffer will win.

There is absolutely no need to accept freedom of movement. We are full. Our roads are jammed. We have hosepipe bans if it doesn't rain for ten days. I recently changed doctor's surgery because I couldn't get an appointment at my old surgery for two weeks.

I was with you all the way until then...but I am a bit tired so should've switched off sooner. Did people really vote because of immigration

[SpeedMattersNot]

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.

I think everyone will agree that he is many things but he's not stupid. Taking that into account, write down first few things that come to your mind for possible reasons.

eta: ,

Edited by jjlynn27 on Thursday 30th June 23:09

That makes absolutely no sense. Boris?!

[jjlynn27]

SpeedMattersNot said:

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.

I think everyone will agree that he is many things but he's not stupid. Taking that into account, write down first few things that come to your mind for possible reasons.

eta: ,

Edited by jjlynn27 on Thursday 30th June 23:09

That makes absolutely no sense. Boris?!

Yes Boris, why is he not running? What's your answer? Apart 'something is really fishy'.

[kurt535]

don4l said:

Derek Smith said:

So Johnson was sh*tting himself all the time.

Well I misjudged the man. I had no idea he lacked bottle.

He's been promised some role from the contenders, May and Gove. The gods help us all if it is an important one.

Gove has got baking of a lot of MPs but up against May for the final vote, which looks likely, I would not rate his chances.

Johnson, the bloke who took some days to make up his mind which would give him more opportunity, stay or leave campaigning, now says he was a passionate leaver all along. Yeah, right.

I knew he was two faced, but three?

Derek,

You appear to becoming a bit emotional.

A few months ago Boris decided that Leave would win. He has wanted to be PM all his life, so he decided to pretend to be passionate about leaving the EU.

To be fair, he did a fantastic job. The way he allowed Gisela Stuart and Andrea Ledsman to handle the nasty personal attacks that Ms Eagle, Sturgeon and the other hectoring fishwife hurled towards him was a great demonstration of true leadership.

In case you don't remember, each time they delivered a personal insult, Dimbleby offered him the chance to defend himself. Each time he held his hand out to one of his deputies, indicating that they should speak. They did not let him down. That was a demonstration of true leadership.

Boris isn't a coward. He spotted an opportunity, and he went for it.

I'm not sure why Gove stuck the knife in. My feeling is that Gove thinks that Boris is not really committed to Brexit. This means that he believes that Boris cannot negotiate the best exit deal for Britain.

You may have seen that I would tell Junker and Tusk to sod off.

You might think that I am joking. I am not. I may enjoy "winding up lefties", but I also know that Britain really does have the upper hand in these discussions.

Europe really has an awful lot more to lose than we do. These negotiations are going to be a game of poker. The best bluffer will win.

There is absolutely no need to accept freedom of movement. We are full. Our roads are jammed. We have hosepipe bans if it doesn't rain for ten days. I recently changed doctor's surgery because I couldn't get an appointment at my old surgery for two weeks.

stop using Britain - out of date term. little england to you. you probably couldn't get an appointment for two weeks because you wanted an after work one, along with everyone else.

[SpeedMattersNot]

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.

I think everyone will agree that he is many things but he's not stupid. Taking that into account, write down first few things that come to your mind for possible reasons.

eta: ,

Edited by jjlynn27 on Thursday 30th June 23:09

That makes absolutely no sense. Boris?!

Yes Boris, why is he not running? What's your answer? Apart 'something is really fishy'.

No idea what you're on about.

[PorkInsider]

SpeedMattersNot said:

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.

I think everyone will agree that he is many things but he's not stupid. Taking that into account, write down first few things that come to your mind for possible reasons.

eta: ,

Edited by jjlynn27 on Thursday 30th June 23:09

That makes absolutely no sense. Boris?!

Yes Boris, why is he not running? What's your answer? Apart 'something is really fishy'.

No idea what you're on about.

Am I due a parrot, or are we pretending there's another reason other than the fact that Leave can't deliver anything they've promised?

[turbobloke]

PorkInsider said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.

I think everyone will agree that he is many things but he's not stupid. Taking that into account, write down first few things that come to your mind for possible reasons.

eta: ,

Edited by jjlynn27 on Thursday 30th June 23:09

That makes absolutely no sense. Boris?!

Yes Boris, why is he not running? What's your answer? Apart 'something is really fishy'.

No idea what you're on about.

Am I due a parrot, or are we pretending there's another reason other than the fact that Leave can't deliver anything they've promised?

Anything?

[dandarez]

kurt535 said:

don4l said:

Derek Smith said:

So Johnson was sh*tting himself all the time.

Well I misjudged the man. I had no idea he lacked bottle.

He's been promised some role from the contenders, May and Gove. The gods help us all if it is an important one.

Gove has got baking of a lot of MPs but up against May for the final vote, which looks likely, I would not rate his chances.

Johnson, the bloke who took some days to make up his mind which would give him more opportunity, stay or leave campaigning, now says he was a passionate leaver all along. Yeah, right.

I knew he was two faced, but three?

Derek,

You appear to becoming a bit emotional.

A few months ago Boris decided that Leave would win. He has wanted to be PM all his life, so he decided to pretend to be passionate about leaving the EU.

To be fair, he did a fantastic job. The way he allowed Gisela Stuart and Andrea Ledsman to handle the nasty personal attacks that Ms Eagle, Sturgeon and the other hectoring fishwife hurled towards him was a great demonstration of true leadership.

In case you don't remember, each time they delivered a personal insult, Dimbleby offered him the chance to defend himself. Each time he held his hand out to one of his deputies, indicating that they should speak. They did not let him down. That was a demonstration of true leadership.

Boris isn't a coward. He spotted an opportunity, and he went for it.

I'm not sure why Gove stuck the knife in. My feeling is that Gove thinks that Boris is not really committed to Brexit. This means that he believes that Boris cannot negotiate the best exit deal for Britain.

You may have seen that I would tell Junker and Tusk to sod off.

You might think that I am joking. I am not. I may enjoy "winding up lefties", but I also know that Britain really does have the upper hand in these discussions.

Europe really has an awful lot more to lose than we do. These negotiations are going to be a game of poker. The best bluffer will win.

There is absolutely no need to accept freedom of movement. We are full. Our roads are jammed. We have hosepipe bans if it doesn't rain for ten days. I recently changed doctor's surgery because I couldn't get an appointment at my old surgery for two weeks.

stop using Britain - out of date term. little england to you. you probably couldn't get an appointment for two weeks because you wanted an after work one, along with everyone else.

I'm the boss. I can go when I like (to the docs). My appointment (earliest) is 14 July. Unless 'I feel it is anemergency?' to which I responded 'How the fk do I know, that's why I need to see my GP!' (not the exact words I used, but I'm sure you get my drift). I'm now going to see a locum on the 8th.
Like everything from infrastructure to housing to jobs to police et al, in this country ('before' the Ref) all fked. Still fked. And no, private health insurance ...I know where you end up with that!

[silent ninja]

dandarez said:

I'm the boss. I can go when I like (to the docs). My appointment (earliest) is 14 July. Unless 'I feel it is anemergency?' to which I responded 'How the fk do I know, that's why I need to see my GP!' (not the exact words I used, but I'm sure you get my drift). I'm now going to see a locum on the 8th.
Like everything from infrastructure to housing to jobs to police et al, in this country ('before' the Ref) all fked. Still fked. And no, private health insurance ...I know where you end up with that!

Surely it's government not investing enough rather than immigrants who are in demand by the economy and business. Like it or not, their net contribution is higher than natives. Maybe British people are lazy? Certainly seems the case from my experience

[jjlynn27]

PorkInsider said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

jjlynn27 said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.

I think everyone will agree that he is many things but he's not stupid. Taking that into account, write down first few things that come to your mind for possible reasons.

eta: ,

Edited by jjlynn27 on Thursday 30th June 23:09

That makes absolutely no sense. Boris?!

Yes Boris, why is he not running? What's your answer? Apart 'something is really fishy'.

No idea what you're on about.

Am I due a parrot, or are we pretending there's another reason other than the fact that Leave can't deliver anything they've promised?

I think I'm due parrot. Don't understand what's fishy at all. He went for it, it dawns on him that there is no chance in hell of £350m to NHS, no any meaningful reduction in immigration, Norway doesn't look exactly ecstatic about UK joining EFTA.

What confuses me is that May seems so eager.

[vonuber]

dandarez said:

I'm the boss. I can go when I like (to the docs). My appointment (earliest) is 14 July. Unless 'I feel it is anemergency?' to which I responded 'How the fk do I know, that's why I need to see my GP!' (not the exact words I used, but I'm sure you get my drift). I'm now going to see a locum on the 8th.
Like everything from infrastructure to housing to jobs to police et al, in this country ('before' the Ref) all fked. Still fked. And no, private health insurance ...I know where you end up with that!

Sounds like a st surgery. We have a system where you have a telephone discussion with a doctor first before having n appointment. You can also get prescriptions redone by email, bookings done online etc.
Works really well.

[jjlynn27]

silent ninja said:

Surely it's government not investing enough rather than immigrants who are in demand by the economy and business. Like it or not, their net contribution is higher than natives. Maybe British people are lazy? Certainly seems the case from my experience

Never mind that Hunt has a plan to automate a lot of what GPs do.

[Zod]

boxxob said:

Kermit power said:

I reckon 58% of Conservative voters who will still be alive in 2020 will have voted remain!

I reckon 58% of young people who voted remain will have the experience to know better by 2020

Yes, so they will have learned to get out and vote. (Not what you meant, I know).

[eharding]

dandarez said:

I'm the boss. I can go when I like (to the docs). My appointment (earliest) is 14 July. Unless 'I feel it is anemergency?' to which I responded 'How the fk do I know, that's why I need to see my GP!' (not the exact words I used, but I'm sure you get my drift). I'm now going to see a locum on the 8th.
Like everything from infrastructure to housing to jobs to police et al, in this country ('before' the Ref) all fked. Still fked. And no, private health insurance ...I know where you end up with that!

Dan, you're sooooo Nineteen Eighties.

Doctor's appointment? - what the hell do they know? Gove is on record as saying "we've had quite enough of experts".

Do the decent thing, and put it to a PH plebiscite - or if you will, PHlebiscite - tell us your symptoms, and we'll come to a democratic PH decision as to what the best treatment should be.

I can already tell you that my advice is to look at the amount you're spending on coke and Polish hookers, and double it by switching to LSD and good old British hookers.

[wst]

JagLover said:

Withdraw from the EU?

They weren't an alternative government that was the question and the plan. You might as well ask the prominent Labour campaigners in the leave campaign what their programme for government was.

Well, here's the thing.



"Leave the EU" is really, really, really vague. That's like getting invited into town by your mates and you don't know if you're going to Nandos or a strip club. Only it's got actual serious repercussions instead.

I'd like to see if there's more Leave voters who can come to an agreement of exactly where the UK should be on that Venn diagram... than the 48% of voters who decided for the UK to remain in that blue "European Union" circle.

[s2art]

wst said:

ell, here's the thing.



"Leave the EU" is really, really, really vague. That's like getting invited into town by your mates and you don't know if you're going to Nandos or a strip club. Only it's got actual serious repercussions instead.

I'd like to see if there's more Leave voters who can come to an agreement of exactly where the UK should be on that Venn diagram... than the 48% of voters who decided for the UK to remain in that blue "European Union" circle.

In EFTA and the EEA. Outside the rest. At least initially.

[wst]

How about all the "control our borders" people? Or the "sovereignty" bunch? Would you find another 16 odd million people to say "We're actually ok with open borders and spending money on the EU, having the same laws influenced by the same lawmakers, and having zero say whatsoever in this"?

I've also asked a "Out of all of these bubbles" person to find the same amount of people to agree with him. I'm concerned there might be some overlap without some kind of accountable system, like... a vote!

[405dogvan]

Here's a final thought on Boris...

Daily Mail uses Gove's wife to push Gove into running/deter Boris leaving their chosen candidate (May) with a clear field? Conspiracy or Common-sense?

Be under no doubt that the people vying behind-the-scenes on this aren't the Tories themselves but the likes of Murdoch and Dacre (and the other people who pump millions into their party ofc.)

As for the borders/immigration thing - I really, really don't think we have a choice on that, I really cannot see us getting anything useful from the EU without accepting free movement/our share of the EU's refugees.

The alternative would be a total 'nope' to the EU and 20 years of potential economic ruin - not quite seeing anyone pulling the trigger on that whoever is pushing them?