Is Boris sh*tting himself?
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turbobloke said:
PorkInsider said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
jjlynn27 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
jjlynn27 said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then s
t himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.
I think everyone will agree that he is many things but he's not stupid. Taking that into account, write down first few things that come to your mind for possible reasons.t himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here. eta: ,
Edited by jjlynn27 on Thursday 30th June 23:09
Looks like a big fat fail given how critical single market access is.
Of course the French might dangle a few carrots like "ok you can control your boarders a bit - but EU passporting only in the EU". D'accord? Oh - decisions! Will MPs rely on the settled will of wall builders and throw our £66Bn bit of banking under the bus.
vonuber said:
How do you close the funding gap without cuts? how do you honour Cornwall's £60million/year?
Are we looking at raising tax rates?
The people of Cornwall voted to leave, so they obviously felt they didn't need to £60m. fAre we looking at raising tax rates?
k 'em. Time for them to live with the consequences of their actions.SpeedMattersNot said:
Just doesn't make sense why he'd make so much fuss about leave, then st himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here.
Is it really that difficult to understand? Johnson is not a stupid man. He is, in fact, a very, very intelligent man.t himself. He's got the majority of the population on his side, in probably the most favoured position to take over in and outside of his party...something is real fishy here. He is definitely intelligent enough to realise that Britain voting Leave is an economic disaster which will probably take us twenty years to recover from, and the only hope he has of retaining any sort of political future is to remove himself as completely as possible from the public eye for the next couple of years.
Let the dust start to settle slightly, and he'll think he can pop up saying he was never a fundamentalist Leave bigot, always very much on the cusp of the decision, and now is the best person to tread the tight lines and finish the job of making the best of what we've got, whilst blaming the inevitable economic f
k up on those who started the Brexit implementation.There's nothing fishy going on at all. Boris just massively miscalculated. A Leave vote was his worst nightmare come true, as was made very evident by his deafening silence from the moment the result was announced. Hopefully, as the job losses and bad headlines pile up, people will remember this. They'll remember that it was all part of a plan for the promotion of Boris, and will reward him accordingly at the ballot box.
Kermit power said:
Is it really that difficult to understand? Johnson is not a stupid man. He is, in fact, a very, very intelligent man.
He is definitely intelligent enough to realise that Britain voting Leave is an economic disaster which will probably take us twenty years to recover from, and the only hope he has of retaining any sort of political future is to remove himself as completely as possible from the public eye for the next couple of years.
Let the dust start to settle slightly, and he'll think he can pop up saying he was never a fundamentalist Leave bigot, always very much on the cusp of the decision, and now is the best person to tread the tight lines and finish the job of making the best of what we've got, whilst blaming the inevitable economic fk up on those who started the Brexit implementation.
There's nothing fishy going on at all. Boris just massively miscalculated. A Leave vote was his worst nightmare come true, as was made very evident by his deafening silence from the moment the result was announced. Hopefully, as the job losses and bad headlines pile up, people will remember this. They'll remember that it was all part of a plan for the promotion of Boris, and will reward him accordingly at the ballot box.
boris won't recover from this.He is definitely intelligent enough to realise that Britain voting Leave is an economic disaster which will probably take us twenty years to recover from, and the only hope he has of retaining any sort of political future is to remove himself as completely as possible from the public eye for the next couple of years.
Let the dust start to settle slightly, and he'll think he can pop up saying he was never a fundamentalist Leave bigot, always very much on the cusp of the decision, and now is the best person to tread the tight lines and finish the job of making the best of what we've got, whilst blaming the inevitable economic f
k up on those who started the Brexit implementation.There's nothing fishy going on at all. Boris just massively miscalculated. A Leave vote was his worst nightmare come true, as was made very evident by his deafening silence from the moment the result was announced. Hopefully, as the job losses and bad headlines pile up, people will remember this. They'll remember that it was all part of a plan for the promotion of Boris, and will reward him accordingly at the ballot box.
its just damage limitation now
///ajd said:
boris won't recover from this.
its just damage limitation now
I suspect you're right, and I can imagine my grandchildren's generation (being presumptive about my kids here!) one day studying economics & politics and having Boris as a case study in how to lose by winning.its just damage limitation now
One thing I'd really love to know.... Which box did Boris himself tick? My money would be on remain.
wst said:
ell, here's the thing.
"Leave the EU" is really, really, really vague. That's like getting invited into town by your mates and you don't know if you're going to Nandos or a strip club. Only it's got actual serious repercussions instead.
I'd like to see if there's more Leave voters who can come to an agreement of exactly where the UK should be on that Venn diagram... than the 48% of voters who decided for the UK to remain in that blue "European Union" circle.
Staying in the EU is also vague."Leave the EU" is really, really, really vague. That's like getting invited into town by your mates and you don't know if you're going to Nandos or a strip club. Only it's got actual serious repercussions instead.
I'd like to see if there's more Leave voters who can come to an agreement of exactly where the UK should be on that Venn diagram... than the 48% of voters who decided for the UK to remain in that blue "European Union" circle.
In Schengen or out of it? in the Euro or out of it? Committed to ever closer union or not? Having opt outs or not? That's a lot of combinations already.
silent ninja said:
Surely it's government not investing enough rather than immigrants who are in demand by the economy and business. Like it or not, their net contribution is higher than natives. Maybe British people are lazy? Certainly seems the case from my experience
The net contribution of EU migrants to 2010 (has there been more recent studies since Romania and Bulgaria had full free movement of people?) was marginally in the positive according to an academic study by two people who, be necessity had to guessetimate large chunks of their study.The same study found that non-EU migration was a net cost.
No study as far as I am aware has ever tried to separate out the economic impact of immigration by quintile of income.
Edited by JagLover on Friday 1st July 08:12
Kermit power said:
Is it really that difficult to understand? Johnson is not a stupid man. He is, in fact, a very, very intelligent man.
He is definitely intelligent enough to realise that Britain voting Leave is an economic disaster which will probably take us twenty years to recover from, and the only hope he has of retaining any sort of political future is to remove himself as completely as possible from the public eye for the next couple of years.
Let the dust start to settle slightly, and he'll think he can pop up saying he was never a fundamentalist Leave bigot, always very much on the cusp of the decision, and now is the best person to tread the tight lines and finish the job of making the best of what we've got, whilst blaming the inevitable economic fk up on those who started the Brexit implementation.
There's nothing fishy going on at all. Boris just massively miscalculated. A Leave vote was his worst nightmare come true, as was made very evident by his deafening silence from the moment the result was announced. Hopefully, as the job losses and bad headlines pile up, people will remember this. They'll remember that it was all part of a plan for the promotion of Boris, and will reward him accordingly at the ballot box.
In your effort to persuade people he is smart, you are actually building the case he lacks integrity.He is definitely intelligent enough to realise that Britain voting Leave is an economic disaster which will probably take us twenty years to recover from, and the only hope he has of retaining any sort of political future is to remove himself as completely as possible from the public eye for the next couple of years.
Let the dust start to settle slightly, and he'll think he can pop up saying he was never a fundamentalist Leave bigot, always very much on the cusp of the decision, and now is the best person to tread the tight lines and finish the job of making the best of what we've got, whilst blaming the inevitable economic f
k up on those who started the Brexit implementation.There's nothing fishy going on at all. Boris just massively miscalculated. A Leave vote was his worst nightmare come true, as was made very evident by his deafening silence from the moment the result was announced. Hopefully, as the job losses and bad headlines pile up, people will remember this. They'll remember that it was all part of a plan for the promotion of Boris, and will reward him accordingly at the ballot box.
Either he knew this would be a disaster and therefore lacks integrity because he argued it was a good thing. Or he didn't realise this and therefore isn't as smart as you think.
On the issue of did/didn't he know, there really isn't a third choice.
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Friday 1st July 08:52
4x4Tyke said:
In you effort to persuade people he is smart, you are actually building the case he lacks integrity.
Either he knew this would be a disaster and therefore lacks integrity because it argued it was a good thing. Or he didn't realise this and therefore isn't as smart as you think.
The 20 years from Kp is a guess and almost certainly long. It hasn't taken long to recover from the GFC. Boris and other Leave supporters weren't voting to see the results the next day, for one thing the exit process will be around 2 years minimum. Either he knew this would be a disaster and therefore lacks integrity because it argued it was a good thing. Or he didn't realise this and therefore isn't as smart as you think.
Apparently there's an Oz/NZ trade delegation heading over to the UK already, planning ahead.
Dr Jekyll said:
wst said:
ell, here's the thing.
"Leave the EU" is really, really, really vague. That's like getting invited into town by your mates and you don't know if you're going to Nandos or a strip club. Only it's got actual serious repercussions instead.
I'd like to see if there's more Leave voters who can come to an agreement of exactly where the UK should be on that Venn diagram... than the 48% of voters who decided for the UK to remain in that blue "European Union" circle.
Staying in the EU is also vague."Leave the EU" is really, really, really vague. That's like getting invited into town by your mates and you don't know if you're going to Nandos or a strip club. Only it's got actual serious repercussions instead.
I'd like to see if there's more Leave voters who can come to an agreement of exactly where the UK should be on that Venn diagram... than the 48% of voters who decided for the UK to remain in that blue "European Union" circle.
In Schengen or out of it? in the Euro or out of it? Committed to ever closer union or not? Having opt outs or not? That's a lot of combinations already.
We had a pretty robust position that looked stable on the £ and schengen and our opt outs.
This affair has thrown that up in the air. Blown it apart effectively. We could end up anywhere.
///ajd said:
Not that vague.
We had a pretty robust position that looked stable on the £ and schengen and our opt outs.
Rewriting history, moving along...We had a pretty robust position that looked stable on the £ and schengen and our opt outs.
///ajd said:
This affair has thrown that up in the air. Blown it apart effectively. We could end up anywhere.
Not outside the feverishly pessimistic imagination of a disappointed Remainian. Neither our side nor the EU will play the political equivalent of pin the tail on the Juncker.dandarez said:
I'm the boss. I can go when I like (to the docs). My appointment (earliest) is 14 July. Unless 'I feel it is anemergency?' to which I responded 'How the fk do I know, that's why I need to see my GP!' (not the exact words I used, but I'm sure you get my drift). I'm now going to see a locum on the 8th.
Like everything from infrastructure to housing to jobs to police et al, in this country ('before' the Ref) all fked. Still fked. And no, private health insurance ...I know where you end up with that!
Maybe it isn't the same in your area but our area hospital has a drop in centre(not A&E) where you can see a GP anytime although you may have to sit and wait for half an hour or so. k do I know, that's why I need to see my GP!' (not the exact words I used, but I'm sure you get my drift). I'm now going to see a locum on the 8th.Like everything from infrastructure to housing to jobs to police et al, in this country ('before' the Ref) all f
ked. Still fked. And no, private health insurance ...I know where you end up with that!turbobloke said:
///ajd said:
Not that vague.
We had a pretty robust position that looked stable on the £ and schengen and our opt outs.
Rewriting history, moving along...We had a pretty robust position that looked stable on the £ and schengen and our opt outs.
///ajd said:
This affair has thrown that up in the air. Blown it apart effectively. We could end up anywhere.
Not outside the feverishly pessimistic imagination of a disappointed Remainian. Neither our side nor the EU will play the political equivalent of pin the tail on the Juncker.Brexiteers are still in denial about that.
I suspect the tory recovery plan is to look for the best outcome possible with EU pre Art 50, then compare it to what we have, and say "do you know what?" ...... it will likely to Norway with nil or min extra migration control, £350m costs at 85%, no influence and single market access may have clouds over e.g. passporting.
And the nation will say "what the fook would we want that for?"
They can't do that yet though, too soon.
Blimey 30+ pages of pure speculation. Maybe, just maybe, this happened;
- Boris actually believes we'd be better of out of Europe with all it's bureaucracy (he view is very London Centric)
- In the last few days his team realised he didn't have enough support from MP's to win so decided to bow out and fight another day rather than loose
- Boris actually believes we'd be better of out of Europe with all it's bureaucracy (he view is very London Centric)
- In the last few days his team realised he didn't have enough support from MP's to win so decided to bow out and fight another day rather than loose
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