Is Boris sh*tting himself?

[mondeoman]

AndrewEH1 said:

mondeoman said:

oh dear, didn't even have the decency to say that he'd lifted it. naughty.

The first line of the post says where it was from if you had read the thread thoroughly.

///ajd's first line says "that post above is worth pasting"

[anonymous-user]

mondeoman said:

///ajd's first line says "that post above is worth pasting"

Yes,
And he pasted it.
Quite clear for anyone who wants to understand.

[4x4Tyke]

mph1977 said:

the question is, as shown by the numbers showing 'wker's remorse' - , were they actually told the truth by Leave ? remain told the truth with what they did say pointing to uncertainty and the likelihood of a ' be careful what you wish for' outcome ... but the 'Project fear' slurs stopped them from pointing out the actual depth of what Leave would mean ...

The 'Project Fear' meme seems to have been extremely effective, UKIP have been instilling fear and hate for 'immigrants' and Europeans as long as they have existed. The Leave campaign plugging into emotion has been much more effective than the Remain campaign based on reason.

Posting solid rational information typically triggered near hysterically emotional responses from leave supporters and the amount of abuse this caused has been pretty shocking.

Fear and Hate clearly trumps reason for many people, but the spell does seem to have been broken by the result.

I think the academic will have their work cut out explaining this going forward.

[Halb]

MisterJD said:

FTSE 100 rallied because many of the biggest companies with foreign earnings get a boost from the weaker pound. So yes, the pound's weakness gave a boost to some stocks. The FTSE 250 index with a greater proportion of domestic companies in its constituents was down 7%.

THanks for explaining.

[Halb]

Eric Mc said:

Boris is actually wetting himself.


This is his moment. He needs to grab the opportunity with both hands. It may never arise again.

The difference between a great leader and a sly opportunist?

[4x4Tyke]

Why do some threads like this one remain sensible and civil while others quickly descend into anarchy.

[s3fella]

4x4Tyke said:

Why do some threads like this one remain sensible and civil while others quickly descend into anarchy.

Must be the Mumsnet influence

[terry tibbs]

saaby93 said:

Einion Yrth said:

I don't think he's up to it, and I never have.

Don't care for any of the other major contenders either to be honest, oh well...

May

May is Cruella de Vil

as for boris - on an image of him at the press conference, that i cannot find, he did have a look that i have seen many times on my kids faces "oh st look what have i done, I've been caught"

[Eric Mc]

Einion Yrth said:

Eric Mc said:

Boris is actually wetting himself.


This is his moment. He needs to grab the opportunity with both hands. It may never arise again.

I don't think he's up to it, and I never have.

Who is "up to it"?

[davepoth]

In my opinion, anyone who doesn't look like they're stting themselves at this point is not fit to lead the country as they've not understood the gravity of the situation.

I voted leave, but I recognise that this is an enormously complex and difficult situation. Farage's tone was OK for Farage since he can now retire, but for anyone who needs to have responsibility I think Gove, Stuart and Johnson had it about right.

[4x4Tyke]

A wacky idea to be sure, consider it an alternative fantasy future if you must, but what do you think to a snap election of cross party unity government with a fixed (2 year?) term, same as required by article 50. They negotiate the new treaty, resolve if the WTO, Swiss, Norwegian model or entirely new model will stand. General election or referendum on new vs existing treaty. If new wins then deliver the article 50 letter and sign new treaty. If existing treaty then carry on. Either way follow this with a General election.

[marshalla]

4x4Tyke said:

A wacky idea to be sure, consider it an alternative fantasy future if you must, but what do you think to a snap election of cross party unity government with a fixed (2 year?) term, same as required by article 50. They negotiate the new treaty, resolve if the WTO, Swiss, Norwegian model or entirely new model will stand. General election or referendum on new vs existing treaty. If new wins then deliver the article 50 letter and sign new treaty. If existing treaty then carry on. Either way follow this with a General election.

The EU is under no obligation to negotiate anything until Article 50 is invoked. In fact, it's in their best interest not to negotiate in advance. Once the Article 50 clock has started it's almost impossible to halt it.

[wc98]

schmalex said:

This.

Cameron's resignation was a master stroke. BJ and MG know they are cornered and have been completely out-played by DC.

nope, it was weakness shown by a weak man, surrounded by even weaker men that need to grow a spine. problem is the entire house is full of them. abrogated all responsibility a long time ago due having their arses wiped by europe and told what to do by engo's, corporates and various other pocket liners.

the way forward is to get rid of all the green energy crap immediately. starting with the subsidies dave's father in law receives . that should focus the mind as to why a back bone is a desirable characteristic. get coal back on the go and get the energy bill down for large business consumers. between recommissioning ols and building new power stations, plus decommissioning every single large scales tax payer subsidy vacuum, sorry wind farm , we should be able to employ a significant amount more people.

hell we might have to increase skilled immigration for a bit, ps off the bigots, two birds one stone etc. next reduce corporate tax on a sliding scale according to employee wage levels. if you have all employees earning a certain amount, corporate tax is zero. reduction in other business costs, like rates also tied in to similar schemes. all the new crews required for fisheries protection will provide some jobs as well. there will be a st load of ways we can improve our lot from now on once free of the eu shackles. i would suggest boris is not the man for this job,it need a genuine eurosceptic . i also think the civil service needs a clear out, as it is them that have advised our elected politicians , poorly imo, during our membership.

time to get going, we have had enough of political ditherers over the last 40 years.

[mph1977]

wc98 said:

schmalex said:

This.

Cameron's resignation was a master stroke. BJ and MG know they are cornered and have been completely out-played by DC.

nope, it was weakness shown by a weak man, surrounded by even weaker men that need to grow a spine. problem is the entire house is full of them. abrogated all responsibility a long time ago due having their arses wiped by europe and told what to do by engo's, corporates and various other pocket liners.

the way forward is to get rid of all the green energy crap immediately. starting with the subsidies dave's father in law receives . that should focus the mind as to why a back bone is a desirable characteristic. get coal back on the go and get the energy bill down for large business consumers. between recommissioning ols and building new power stations, plus decommissioning every single large scales tax payer subsidy vacuum, sorry wind farm , we should be able to employ a significant amount more people.

hell we might have to increase skilled immigration for a bit, ps off the bigots, two birds one stone etc. next reduce corporate tax on a sliding scale according to employee wage levels. if you have all employees earning a certain amount, corporate tax is zero. reduction in other business costs, like rates also tied in to similar schemes. all the new crews required for fisheries protection will provide some jobs as well. there will be a st load of ways we can improve our lot from now on once free of the eu shackles. i would suggest boris is not the man for this job,it need a genuine eurosceptic . i also think the civil service needs a clear out, as it is them that have advised our elected politicians , poorly imo, during our membership.

time to get going, we have had enough of political ditherers over the last 40 years.

But what about the minesheft Gap, Mein Furher , <coff> Mr President !?!

[dxg]

mph1977 said:

wc98 said:

schmalex said:

This.

Cameron's resignation was a master stroke. BJ and MG know they are cornered and have been completely out-played by DC.

nope, it was weakness shown by a weak man, surrounded by even weaker men that need to grow a spine. problem is the entire house is full of them. abrogated all responsibility a long time ago due having their arses wiped by europe and told what to do by engo's, corporates and various other pocket liners.

the way forward is to get rid of all the green energy crap immediately. starting with the subsidies dave's father in law receives . that should focus the mind as to why a back bone is a desirable characteristic. get coal back on the go and get the energy bill down for large business consumers. between recommissioning ols and building new power stations, plus decommissioning every single large scales tax payer subsidy vacuum, sorry wind farm , we should be able to employ a significant amount more people.

hell we might have to increase skilled immigration for a bit, ps off the bigots, two birds one stone etc. next reduce corporate tax on a sliding scale according to employee wage levels. if you have all employees earning a certain amount, corporate tax is zero. reduction in other business costs, like rates also tied in to similar schemes. all the new crews required for fisheries protection will provide some jobs as well. there will be a st load of ways we can improve our lot from now on once free of the eu shackles. i would suggest boris is not the man for this job,it need a genuine eurosceptic . i also think the civil service needs a clear out, as it is them that have advised our elected politicians , poorly imo, during our membership.

time to get going, we have had enough of political ditherers over the last 40 years.

But what about the minesheft Gap, Mein Furher , <coff> Mr President !?!

We need a strong hand. Someone who's willing to make initially-unpopular structural reforms - even increasing the tax take if that's what's needed to recover our manufacturing base and the skills it requires. We need someone who will put the nation before their own career. And, sadly, I don't see anyone capable of that in the current political set.

Hopefully we'll get the people we need in the next GE. It will be a very bumpy next ten years...

[dxg]

As an example of bumpiness, note the mention of the new TVR factory at the end of this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/vi...

[vonuber]

wc98 said:

the way forward is to get rid of all the green energy crap immediately. starting with the subsidies dave's father in law receives . that should focus the mind as to why a back bone is a desirable characteristic. get coal back on the go and get the energy bill down for large business consumers. between recommissioning ols and building new power stations, plus decommissioning every single large scales tax payer subsidy vacuum, sorry wind farm , we should be able to employ a significant amount more people.

I'm glad you are not in charge.

[e8_pack]

vonuber said:

wc98 said:

the way forward is to get rid of all the green energy crap immediately. starting with the subsidies dave's father in law receives . that should focus the mind as to why a back bone is a desirable characteristic. get coal back on the go and get the energy bill down for large business consumers. between recommissioning ols and building new power stations, plus decommissioning every single large scales tax payer subsidy vacuum, sorry wind farm , we should be able to employ a significant amount more people.

I'm glad you are not in charge.

I'm glad you aren't.

[silent ninja]

Boris isn't stting it at all. This man will wing it. He wings everything. He's a good talker, a good celebrity, good at handling journalist, good at grabbing headlines. He is NOT an effective leader, effective negotiator, not a 'doer' by any stretch. He wasn't a good London mayor. But in our X Factor generation we prefer those that grab headlines rather than those that are competent. Boris is a nice guy, just not a very good politician.

I hope there is a general election.
If we're stuck with Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Theresa May the lesser of the evils would be Boris. Either way, we're not in good hands. British politics is in shambles right now.

Edited by silent ninja on Sunday 26th June 13:40

[anonymous-user]

But they can't just call an election, CMD changed things..