Next Labour Leader

[BlackLabel]

"Jeremy Corbyn is the overwhelming favourite to win the Labour leadership contest, according to the latest Opinium/Observer poll, which shows he has more than twice the level of support among party supporters as his challenger, Owen Smith."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/23/la...

[BlackLabel]

"The High Court has ruled that 130,000 people who recently joined the Labour party could be allowed to cast a vote in the upcoming leadership election, in a move that many expect to be advantageous to Jeremy Corbyn’s campaign."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labo...

[jmorgan]

Smith should give in now and say "sod it, I am out, who is with me".

[Esseesse]

[turbobloke]

jmorgan said:

Smith should give in now and say "sod it, I am out, who is with me".

It's funny because it's true.

Then if political cleavage occurs, watch the challengers to Smith emerge from shiny suited Blairite champagne socialists.

The wheels go round and some fall off

[Jockman]

jmorgan said:

Smith should give in now and say "sod it, I am out, who is with me".

If all goes according to plan, he is about to validate comrade Corbyn.

It's what happens AFTER the election I find intriguing. Does he have enough support to form an effective shadow cabinet?

[anonymous-user]

All these court cases tell you that at the heart of Labour, the attitude is to totally ignore any rule or due process that doesn't suit their own agenda. Firstly you had those who believed they could ignore their own rules to kick Corbyn out of a process he was entitled to contest, then the removal of rights from members, again contrary to the rules.

Heads up; if you don't like being held by the results of your own rules, change them!

[jmorgan]

Jockman said:

jmorgan said:

Smith should give in now and say "sod it, I am out, who is with me".

If all goes according to plan, he is about to validate comrade Corbyn.

It's what happens AFTER the election I find intriguing. Does he have enough support to form an effective shadow cabinet?

There will be enough air heads who think they have the wherewithal to be effective. That is to say in their mind they are seen as a great supporter of the glorious leader and that the world views them in awe and respects them as serious politicians, where as what the world sees is a stupid little person with ability of an amoeba in a morning after pizza.

Speaking of which, Abbot said anything useful yet?

They will be buying little note books next and following the glorious leader around and laughing at his jokes and taking the blame for his farts shortly.

Edited by jmorgan on Monday 8th August 12:17

[anonymous-user]

Where is the Labour pipeline of talent?

I was discussing this with a colleague, we both of significant experience of designing and running leadership training programmes, and neither of us could spot any talent in the Labour party ranks. I have met fresh faced grads with more about them than the current bunch.

[BlackLabel]

So what happens if/when Corbyn wins this contest? Will he deselect disloyal MPs? Any chance of another SDP type breakaway situation?

[Derek Smith]

BlackLabel said:

So what happens if/when Corbyn wins this contest? Will he deselect disloyal MPs? Any chance of another SDP type breakaway situation?

Deselection, either on instruction of Corbyn or his acolytes, would be a dangerous move. The only thing keeping most of the 140 in the party is the thought of being removed fro the gravy train. It's what whips threaten on critical votes. If there is merely a hint of deselection, a definite possibility in the case of the labour party because it is very democratic in its make-up, will make the 140 think of the future.

The press, in building up Corbyn to be the new messiah of the left, or the devil for everyone, might backfire as well. A breakaway party would need money and many labour donors might not like to be associated with a party that received such unremitting diatribes.

I doubt the move would be similar to the SDP's if the breakaway consists of 50 or more. They will, as with the SDP, expect others to come over to them as problems mount in the residue of the party. But the failure of the SDP was as remarkable as its rise to prominence. They have no Williams, who was well respected, as were Jenkins and Rogers, so need numbers and a face. If they could get big brother Milliband to lead the party, things might be different.

So I doubt if the organisation will be the same as the SDP's but I have no idea what it might be like.

They could wander over to the liberal party. I'm not sure they'd appreciate being swamped but it might be the only hope they have for survival. They have the organisation ready set up. The only problem for the labour MPs jumping ship would be that the liberal party has a fairly high work ethic from its MPs.

If you were in one of your houses and worried about your job, what would you do? Join a ready made party or start a new one?

[powerstroke]

If they don't like the real thing , why don't they just join the tories ???
Corbyn V 3rd rate Kinnock clone