Wisdom with Age
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I said on another thread that I've heard and read quite a bit from younger voters complaining about the way this vote may have shafted their opportunities around travel and freedom of movement of labour etc.
What I haven't read is much on their opinions on things like "ever closer union", Junckers, Martin Schulz, the unelected bureaucrats and the stuff that I've yet to hear anyone say they actively voted for.
I don't know if I'd call it "wisdom with age" rather than perhaps not being lured by the prospect of "free stuff"?
I should add I voted remain in case anyone thinks I'm seeing one side of this, though I did so mostly because it's a very nuanced vote and on balance I felt things would remain more stable if we stayed in, and if you're in it's easier to come out than it is to come back in once you're out.
Me too. Every younger voter I have heard from has moaned about travel. That's it. There is so much more to this than some whiny little student thinking they can't go abroad now.What I haven't read is much on their opinions on things like "ever closer union", Junckers, Martin Schulz, the unelected bureaucrats and the stuff that I've yet to hear anyone say they actively voted for.
I don't know if I'd call it "wisdom with age" rather than perhaps not being lured by the prospect of "free stuff"?
I should add I voted remain in case anyone thinks I'm seeing one side of this, though I did so mostly because it's a very nuanced vote and on balance I felt things would remain more stable if we stayed in, and if you're in it's easier to come out than it is to come back in once you're out.
Someone interviewing them should ask about places like Australia, US, Canada, Thailand etc. There are other places to go.
Evolved said:
It's a little insulting to constantly read that the leavers obv weren't the brightest don't you think?
It's also completely disingenuous.Whilst the lower social grades (C2 and DE) were more likely to vote leave - it was hardly clear cut at the top end - 43% of AB voted leave and 51% of C1 did too.
Evolved said:
It's a little insulting to constantly read that the leavers obv weren't the brightest don't you think? If the lines weren't so blurred and facts a little clearer then the decision would have been a lot easier to make for most. As it is, the whole thing from start right through to the fallout we're dealing with now has been handled very badly.
Absolutely. And even if it were true and they are actually morons, I think it's high time the establishment stopped calling everyone who opposes them names. It's why we've become so divided IMO. It's no more or less insulting than hearing that Yes voters are woad wearing delusional fools who think Braveheart is a documentary or that lefties are hysterical hand wringers with a media studies degree and posh accent but no life experience. Theres plenty of stereotypes to be thrown around and we will never reach our Brexit potential while we're still at each others throats.
I don't think it will change though. Blair, with his Chameleon abilities was at pains to include his core left vote whilst pursuing the right. Cameron seems to have aimed to rule by just enough and has actively sought showdowns, which the SNP, Labour and now Tories have been happy to give him.
How many young people have a property abroad? Not many, but loads of oldies do, and spend lots of time in Spain etc.
did they vote to leave I wonder.
They are the generation that voted to join the Common Market, however they did not vote to be governed by an unelected, unaccountable bunch of foreign beaureacrats.
This is why they voted to leave.
did they vote to leave I wonder.
They are the generation that voted to join the Common Market, however they did not vote to be governed by an unelected, unaccountable bunch of foreign beaureacrats.
This is why they voted to leave.
Another way to read that data is that people who support leaving live longer. Silly, but not the silliest conclusion drawn from bit of data taken in isolation.
Most obviously the turn out amongst younger voters was much lower, suggesting that they actually don't feel that strongly about it either way on the whole.
The other interesting thing is that the patterns by age appear to have been similar in 1975, with younger voters voting in and older voters voting out.
Those younger voters are 41 years older now and have seen what they voted for develop into something they didn't.
Those older voters are now gone. Meaning a whole new generation of grumpy old men have developed from optimistic young people in loon pants. And they are actually more inclined to vote leave than the old folk of 1975 who remembered world wars.
So if there is a generational shift it's possible that it's a shift away from a united Europe and towards national democracy. Amongst 18-24 year olds there could be a vaguely pro EU idealism in certain sections but it will most likely recede with age, and if they didn't go out and vote for what they wanted on Thursday there's no reason to start second guessing what they really wanted when we got a result some people say harms the future of young people.
Most obviously the turn out amongst younger voters was much lower, suggesting that they actually don't feel that strongly about it either way on the whole.
The other interesting thing is that the patterns by age appear to have been similar in 1975, with younger voters voting in and older voters voting out.
Those younger voters are 41 years older now and have seen what they voted for develop into something they didn't.
Those older voters are now gone. Meaning a whole new generation of grumpy old men have developed from optimistic young people in loon pants. And they are actually more inclined to vote leave than the old folk of 1975 who remembered world wars.
So if there is a generational shift it's possible that it's a shift away from a united Europe and towards national democracy. Amongst 18-24 year olds there could be a vaguely pro EU idealism in certain sections but it will most likely recede with age, and if they didn't go out and vote for what they wanted on Thursday there's no reason to start second guessing what they really wanted when we got a result some people say harms the future of young people.
I know a lot of people around my age (24) who were positively bragging about their intention not to vote at all.
Now whenever I hear the same people moaning about the result, I tell them in no uncertain terms that I'm not interested, because the time to have their say was Thursday and they couldn't be arsed.
For information, I voted leave.
Now whenever I hear the same people moaning about the result, I tell them in no uncertain terms that I'm not interested, because the time to have their say was Thursday and they couldn't be arsed.
For information, I voted leave.
Smollet said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
alfie2244 said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
I look at it like this... Young people know st but they think they know everything.
To be fair I was the same when I was young.t but they think they know everything. 
kev b said:
How many young people have a property abroad? Not many, but loads of oldies do, and spend lots of time in Spain etc.
did they vote to leave I wonder.
They are the generation that voted to join the Common Market, however they did not vote to be governed by an unelected, unaccountable bunch of foreign beaureacrats.
This is why they voted to leave.
Except I was too young to vote by about 6 months so this is the 1st time I have ever had the opportunity to vote in the EU yet almost 60 yrs old.did they vote to leave I wonder.
They are the generation that voted to join the Common Market, however they did not vote to be governed by an unelected, unaccountable bunch of foreign beaureacrats.
This is why they voted to leave.
kev b said:
How many young people have a property abroad? Not many, but loads of oldies do, and spend lots of time in Spain etc.
did they vote to leave I wonder.
They are the generation that voted to join the Common Market, however they did not vote to be governed by an unelected, unaccountable bunch of foreign beaureacrats.
This is why they voted to leave.
Exactly! But that doesn't suit the current narrative. did they vote to leave I wonder.
They are the generation that voted to join the Common Market, however they did not vote to be governed by an unelected, unaccountable bunch of foreign beaureacrats.
This is why they voted to leave.
Too many politicians/ journalists in London/ Westminster live in a bubble - they need a reality check about the rest of the country. They've just got one.....and didn't like it.
I voted to leave, and I'm proud of it. In fact I helped Vote Leave by campaiging in a minor way (leafleting) for them.
This is something I have never done before ,and unlikely to do ever again , neither have I been, or likely ever to be a member of a political. party.
But I saw this referenda as a great opportunity for the country and the restoration of democracy to its citizens. I feel passionately that my kids, Grandkids, and even their children should grow up in a democratic society where they make their own decisions and not hectored and bullied by someone they have no democratic sway over.
History shows us that unions and federations of nation states that go forward without the ongoing consent of their populations either fall apart , are held together by force or both.
It truly is a new dawn . This man here , understands it fully and completely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwqPf-8aNwo
This is something I have never done before ,and unlikely to do ever again , neither have I been, or likely ever to be a member of a political. party.
But I saw this referenda as a great opportunity for the country and the restoration of democracy to its citizens. I feel passionately that my kids, Grandkids, and even their children should grow up in a democratic society where they make their own decisions and not hectored and bullied by someone they have no democratic sway over.
History shows us that unions and federations of nation states that go forward without the ongoing consent of their populations either fall apart , are held together by force or both.
It truly is a new dawn . This man here , understands it fully and completely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwqPf-8aNwo
AJS- said:
I knew everything when I was young. Now I wish I had written it down.
Shame we never had the pc's and the internet...we could have looked back at all our pearls of wisdom from 40 yrs ago at our leisure... we never had a fridge or a house phone let alone 000's of electronics in our bedroom when I lived at home.Hosenbugler said:
It truly is a new dawn . This man here , understands it fully and completely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwqPf-8aNwo
Well I was not expecting that........nail on the head....thanks for posting.......shame it takes a Yank to explain things so precisely and simply.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwqPf-8aNwo
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