Wisdom with Age
Discussion
rscott said:
This shows we also need to fix our education systems to teach the public that they should never just accept headlines but should dig for the detail behind them.
As someone who has (fairly) recently been through our school and college system, I can say from my own experiences that they not only don't teach you this, but they actively discourage it.In both my school and college you could quite easily end up 'sanctioned' (modern word for 'punished') if you dared to be a little bit intelligent and question 'accepted doctrine'.
I shudder to think how my former school and college will have dealt with anyone like myself who ever dared to support the Leave campaign!
Piersman2 said:
gottans said:
Hosenbugler, I don't think this is an age of wisdom. If it was the question may not have been asked but it was, the campaigns would have informed people and explored the pro's and con's of the argument instead of dividing the country, politicians would not have manipulated things for their own ends and lastly the country wouldn't be wondering what the hell happened.
But history will decide the wisdom of current events.
I don't think anyone is accusing the politicians responsible for this with the having the wisdom of age. They've demonstrated for 20 years or more a complete lack of wisdom. Political game-playing and self serving action, but no great wisdom! But history will decide the wisdom of current events.
I beleieve, that this referenda has opened a great window of opportunity , the opening of opportunity, released of crushing , overbearing , dictatorial bureaucracy. Not unlike the Thatcher years. The opportunity Thatcher opened up allowed me to make myself close to being a self made millionaire in the early 90's, I see this as similar.
The future is there, its for the brave and bold to grasp and take it forward, for theirs, their country, and themselves.
I think there's a balance of experience and interaction.
The youth just don't have the experience of recent history to add that to their decision making process. They can look it up but perhaps actually seeing it happen for yourself could be much more effective than third party sources. On the other hand once you pass a certain age your interaction with others diminishes, so for example the opinions held of Polish immigrants could be based on spending time working with them, socialising with them or going to school with them and this is something retirees probably don't do much of so perhaps past a certain age your opinions may be more based on prejudices and third party bias again.
I do think we start life as naïve idealists and gradually become realists (in most cases!). The idea or concept of the EU sounds good, nice, friendly, compassionate. The youth see it as a nice thing in that respect. But once you age a little, gain that interaction and experience you begin to question the method. You understand that ideals can be shallow, that people hide behind them, that people discard them with ease. You realise that we'd all like to be friends, but some are not playing the game for sake of friendship or they've forgotten what friendship actually is as something else they want has taken over.
The youth just don't have the experience of recent history to add that to their decision making process. They can look it up but perhaps actually seeing it happen for yourself could be much more effective than third party sources. On the other hand once you pass a certain age your interaction with others diminishes, so for example the opinions held of Polish immigrants could be based on spending time working with them, socialising with them or going to school with them and this is something retirees probably don't do much of so perhaps past a certain age your opinions may be more based on prejudices and third party bias again.
I do think we start life as naïve idealists and gradually become realists (in most cases!). The idea or concept of the EU sounds good, nice, friendly, compassionate. The youth see it as a nice thing in that respect. But once you age a little, gain that interaction and experience you begin to question the method. You understand that ideals can be shallow, that people hide behind them, that people discard them with ease. You realise that we'd all like to be friends, but some are not playing the game for sake of friendship or they've forgotten what friendship actually is as something else they want has taken over.
Older voters have heard all the spiel before and make up their mind with experience.
Watching question time tonight one young student mentioned.What is my future now what can I do? After the referendum vote.
You make your own future with all the up and downs that brings.To many young people still want their botty wiped by mam and dad>
Watching question time tonight one young student mentioned.What is my future now what can I do? After the referendum vote.
You make your own future with all the up and downs that brings.To many young people still want their botty wiped by mam and dad>
Glad you see it as an opportunity.
For me personally there will be a lot of turmoil but it also messes things up professionally (not related to running a company) as well so it is a double whammy.
I'm not sure if you are aware but things like remote controls for opening your car all use harmonised frequencies, mobile phones that work all over Europe and the world, wifi devices that work one band all over the world. These have all happened due the harmonisation activities that happen in Europe and between Europe and the rest of the world. This means these electronic toys we are so used to just work and don't cost a fortune to buy either.
How will withdrawing from Europe affect these sorts of things that are important but separate from free trade agreements and the other stuff in the media. Will withdrawing break the mutual recognition agreements that are in place.
I would believe that way more than 90% of the true impact of brexit has yet to even enter the consciousness of our politicians let alone the populus of our country.
For me personally there will be a lot of turmoil but it also messes things up professionally (not related to running a company) as well so it is a double whammy.
I'm not sure if you are aware but things like remote controls for opening your car all use harmonised frequencies, mobile phones that work all over Europe and the world, wifi devices that work one band all over the world. These have all happened due the harmonisation activities that happen in Europe and between Europe and the rest of the world. This means these electronic toys we are so used to just work and don't cost a fortune to buy either.
How will withdrawing from Europe affect these sorts of things that are important but separate from free trade agreements and the other stuff in the media. Will withdrawing break the mutual recognition agreements that are in place.
I would believe that way more than 90% of the true impact of brexit has yet to even enter the consciousness of our politicians let alone the populus of our country.
k it, let's see what happens".gottans said:
I'm not sure if you are aware but things like remote controls for opening your car all use harmonised frequencies, mobile phones that work all over Europe and the world, wifi devices that work one band all over the world. These have all happened due the harmonisation activities that happen in Europe and between Europe and the rest of the world. This means these electronic toys we are so used to just work and don't cost a fortune to buy either.
How will withdrawing from Europe affect these sorts of things that are important but separate from free trade agreements and the other stuff in the media. Will withdrawing break the mutual recognition agreements that are in place.
Been covered in other threads; the answer to your closing question is no. Take for example transport-related harmonisation, which is the responsibility of UNECE (a UN body), WP29. Lots of countries have a seat on WP29 - including the UK, most of the EU, USA, Canada, Norway, ... That body determines standards, which are then passed down to the members - or in the case of the EU, responsibility is passed via the EU to the member states. Similar arrangements are in place for foodstuffs (the Codex Alimentarius). In general, it's not the EU which draws up such standards. I don't know about electronic devices, but strongly suspect that similar arrangements apply.How will withdrawing from Europe affect these sorts of things that are important but separate from free trade agreements and the other stuff in the media. Will withdrawing break the mutual recognition agreements that are in place.
gottans said:
Glad you see it as an opportunity.
For me personally there will be a lot of turmoil but it also messes things up professionally (not related to running a company) as well so it is a double whammy.
I'm not sure if you are aware but things like remote controls for opening your car all use harmonised frequencies, mobile phones that work all over Europe and the world, wifi devices that work one band all over the world. These have all happened due the harmonisation activities that happen in Europe and between Europe and the rest of the world. This means these electronic toys we are so used to just work and don't cost a fortune to buy either.
How will withdrawing from Europe affect these sorts of things that are important but separate from free trade agreements and the other stuff in the media. Will withdrawing break the mutual recognition agreements that are in place.
I would believe that way more than 90% of the true impact of brexit has yet to even enter the consciousness of our politicians let alone the populus of our country.
Why would this change? EU and British businessmen are no fools.It is the politicians who have to listen to the people in the EU and the UK.For me personally there will be a lot of turmoil but it also messes things up professionally (not related to running a company) as well so it is a double whammy.
I'm not sure if you are aware but things like remote controls for opening your car all use harmonised frequencies, mobile phones that work all over Europe and the world, wifi devices that work one band all over the world. These have all happened due the harmonisation activities that happen in Europe and between Europe and the rest of the world. This means these electronic toys we are so used to just work and don't cost a fortune to buy either.
How will withdrawing from Europe affect these sorts of things that are important but separate from free trade agreements and the other stuff in the media. Will withdrawing break the mutual recognition agreements that are in place.
I would believe that way more than 90% of the true impact of brexit has yet to even enter the consciousness of our politicians let alone the populus of our country.
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