"No more Polish vermin"
Discussion
Digga said:
battered said:
Yes, but the Roma are not a country but a group. You may as well say that Irish travellers don't integrate. Some people don't, but that's not about nationality per se.
Oh yes, I do realise that, but the more recent influx of them has been from new EU member states:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/15/sh...
Mrr T said:
Digga said:
battered said:
Yes, but the Roma are not a country but a group. You may as well say that Irish travellers don't integrate. Some people don't, but that's not about nationality per se.
Oh yes, I do realise that, but the more recent influx of them has been from new EU member states:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/15/sh...
Digga said:
Mrr T said:
Digga said:
battered said:
Yes, but the Roma are not a country but a group. You may as well say that Irish travellers don't integrate. Some people don't, but that's not about nationality per se.
Oh yes, I do realise that, but the more recent influx of them has been from new EU member states:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/15/sh...
Mrr T said:
The other interesting fact is that they tend not to be intergrated even in their own countries.
You make a very, very good point. This is the crux of the weakness of free movement. If a persons home nation finds them undesirable, or even criminal, why would the UK or any other civilised nation in their right mind take them?Digga said:
As an experiment, change that problematic migrant group to Muslims and ask yourself if the Guardian would print it.///ajd said:
How do you interpret the report?
They way I read it the summary could be
- the impacts are tiny either way
- 80% of wages are increased by immigration
- of the bottom 10%, the impact is 0.7p/hour reduction. £1/month.
- the 95% error bounds in the graph could practically wipe out this difference
Unless you aspire to never get out of the bottom 10/20%!where it makes virtually no difference anyway, immigration will boost your wages.
You have to wonder about politicians who must inderstand this but spin it as a very bad thing. Its misleading.
There's something odd about the use of "p" in that one, as this article:They way I read it the summary could be
- the impacts are tiny either way
- 80% of wages are increased by immigration
- of the bottom 10%, the impact is 0.7p/hour reduction. £1/month.
- the 95% error bounds in the graph could practically wipe out this difference
Unless you aspire to never get out of the bottom 10/20%!where it makes virtually no difference anyway, immigration will boost your wages.
You have to wonder about politicians who must inderstand this but spin it as a very bad thing. Its misleading.
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources...
Suggests percentage figures from lots of surveys that would be substantially bigger.
berlintaxi said:
As a business owner I would be interested to know which markets in Europe are harder to deal with than India, India is a nightmare in terms of establishing a trading platform and getting paid, never had this issue in European countries,as to red tape, the vast majority of useless time-comsuming requests we receive are from the UK Government, can't see that changing when we leave.
One salesman sells precision plastic parts, one offs and small batches.The other sells software.
They both said that they avoid the EU as it just isn't worth it.
Perhaps it is more to do with their specific customers than with the EU, however I'm assuming that they know their jobs.
cymtriks said:
One salesman sells precision plastic parts, one offs and small batches.
The other sells software.
They both said that they avoid the EU as it just isn't worth it.
Perhaps it is more to do with their specific customers than with the EU, however I'm assuming that they know their jobs.
If you're within the EU and trading there it's reasonably straightforward. Bring stuff in and it can be another matter. The other sells software.
They both said that they avoid the EU as it just isn't worth it.
Perhaps it is more to do with their specific customers than with the EU, however I'm assuming that they know their jobs.
Evolved said:
Rawwr said:
They weren't displaced. We can't fill our production lines with those good ol' English workers because they don't want to do it. These jobs are all available to the English but applications are few and far between. If we didn't employ hundreds of Polish workers, our output would be on the floor.
Nonsense, if the wages offered are less of an insult, the applications will come in. I've seen the conditions some foreign workers will endure as they see it as a short term fix.The wages I made stacking shelves at the co-op wouldn't be enough to buy my own house. But the narrative seems to be "POOR CROFTY CAN'T EVEN BUY A HOUSE WITH HIS LOW PAID JOB!!!" Never mind that I got a succession of better jobs and now I can buy a house.
Digga said:
BlackLabel said:
It's as if publications like the indy actually want hate crimes to soar just so they can say "I told you so".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-...
It's a vile thing for the media to keep batting on about because, at some level, the very frequency with which the idea is discussed, is increasingly likely to serve as both inspiration and justification to some mouth-breathing idiots.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-...
davepoth said:
///ajd said:
How do you interpret the report?
They way I read it the summary could be
- the impacts are tiny either way
- 80% of wages are increased by immigration
- of the bottom 10%, the impact is 0.7p/hour reduction. £1/month.
- the 95% error bounds in the graph could practically wipe out this difference
Unless you aspire to never get out of the bottom 10/20%!where it makes virtually no difference anyway, immigration will boost your wages.
You have to wonder about politicians who must inderstand this but spin it as a very bad thing. Its misleading.
There's something odd about the use of "p" in that one, as this article:They way I read it the summary could be
- the impacts are tiny either way
- 80% of wages are increased by immigration
- of the bottom 10%, the impact is 0.7p/hour reduction. £1/month.
- the 95% error bounds in the graph could practically wipe out this difference
Unless you aspire to never get out of the bottom 10/20%!where it makes virtually no difference anyway, immigration will boost your wages.
You have to wonder about politicians who must inderstand this but spin it as a very bad thing. Its misleading.
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources...
Suggests percentage figures from lots of surveys that would be substantially bigger.
Do you accept that the UCL view can be summarised as I suggest?
Rather than accept that might be the case you dismiss it and go and find another source that might reinforce the view. This is alternative facts in action - rather than confront the possibility that your belief that immigrants depress wages to a material amount might be false or exaggerated, you seek any old internet data that supports your view.
A website dedicated to observing migration implies some bias may be at play - UCL seems more credible, which I guess is why you chose that first.
cymtriks said:
berlintaxi said:
As a business owner I would be interested to know which markets in Europe are harder to deal with than India, India is a nightmare in terms of establishing a trading platform and getting paid, never had this issue in European countries,as to red tape, the vast majority of useless time-comsuming requests we receive are from the UK Government, can't see that changing when we leave.
One salesman sells precision plastic parts, one offs and small batches.The other sells software.
They both said that they avoid the EU as it just isn't worth it.
Perhaps it is more to do with their specific customers than with the EU, however I'm assuming that they know their jobs.
jjlynn27 said:
Can't say anything about plastic parts, but one talking about selling software in EU is talking out of his ass. One part of our company sells software internationally, and there are no issues in selling software to EU. None whatsoever (excluding France as they want everything translated).
Even the bit about administering the VAT for all 28 countries?davepoth said:
jjlynn27 said:
Can't say anything about plastic parts, but one talking about selling software in EU is talking out of his ass. One part of our company sells software internationally, and there are no issues in selling software to EU. None whatsoever (excluding France as they want everything translated).
Even the bit about administering the VAT for all 28 countries?jjlynn27 said:
You don't administer VAT for all 28 countries. Your accounts dept sets up VAT code for clients / countries. Whoever finds that taxing shouldn't be selling at all.
Which is fine if you have an accounts department. What if you don't have an accounts department, or an accountant? How did it become less complicated to sell software to consumers from outside of the EU?davepoth said:
jjlynn27 said:
You don't administer VAT for all 28 countries. Your accounts dept sets up VAT code for clients / countries. Whoever finds that taxing shouldn't be selling at all.
Which is fine if you have an accounts department. What if you don't have an accounts department, or an accountant? How did it become less complicated to sell software to consumers from outside of the EU?High value software usually comes with a support agreement and the resources that entails, so a company selling that will usually have the infrastructure to handle vat codes.
Low value software tends to be sold via third party digital marketplaces which handle the various vat rates for you.
jjlynn27 said:
Can't say anything about plastic parts, but one talking about selling software in EU is talking out of his ass. One part of our company sells software internationally, and there are no issues in selling software to EU. None whatsoever (excluding France as they want everything translated).
Can I ask though, are you selling internationally from the U.K or are you based outside of the EU as there is a big difference, I only ask as your experience kind of goes against the experiences of a close relative of mine, who, whilst we were on holiday last year after the vote he was explaining that his company, based in the US along with himself has a nightmare dealing with EU member countries.His company is in the software business, he is director of IT solutions and has an office in America, one in Berlin for Europe and one in tokyo for the Asian/ Australasian market. He said that 99% of the problems that the company suffers overseas comes from the Berlin office. He said its no coincidence that both offices have the same structure and objectives but the Japan office has almost half the staff but covers a much much larger territory .
Apparently the worst experiences were dealing with large European companies who themselves had offices in different parts of Europe leading to , how can I put it, different work ethics. One part of said company would be trying its hardest to implement things whilst others were slightly less organised and forward thinking.
davepoth said:
jjlynn27 said:
You don't administer VAT for all 28 countries. Your accounts dept sets up VAT code for clients / countries. Whoever finds that taxing shouldn't be selling at all.
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