"No more Polish vermin"
Discussion
Rich_W said:
I hesitate to use the phrase first and second generation of immigration since they are all between 20-45, but there does seem to be a difference.
I still remember communism, was born in 1980.Younger people will only know rampant capitalism and will be losing their traditional catholic faith and associated values.
Not saying it's 100% what it is, just my hunch.
The (only) Church is very embattled in Poland at the minute.
Plus once they have friends and family here, the barriers to entry are smaller, hence less selective by nature.
qska said:
davepoth said:
If you don't mind me asking, could you expand on why you would have? It's always interesting to understand a different viewpoint.
1. Euro stranglehold in Greece and Spain2. Refugee fiasco
3. Further erosion of nation states
4. European army in the way...
We really are NOT all the same. Brussels thinks we are. And that somehow Merkel is the boss.
5. Undersupply of housing and services for the CURRENT population, the backlog is huge and needs addressing. Stopping immigration will give us a breather.
Should I go on...?
If you couldn't vote - don't fret - 17 million people agreed with you and a very small percentage were racist but sometimes you have to keep your enemy closer
qska said:
I can. They're awful racists, the lot of them.
The nationalism combined with catholicism is something that developed when i didn't live there, but I find these news very very disturbing.
Work ethic is fine when they need money, but give them some comfort and they'll quickly turn lazy as well.
We're just people, product of nature and nurture. And we adapt quickly. I mean the ones who actually emigrate, thats a big test in itself. The not so adventurous ones just stay.
We're also torn between Russian and German ways of thinking. Very proud but at the same time, with a chip on a shoulder. I can't explain better, just thinking about it makes my head spin
We're upfront like Russians but envy the, Germans their efficiency and processes.
Plus we're the Chosen nation on various levels... Confused yet? I am!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that putting a million people into one category is not a good idea.
ajd appears to have gone for a lie down to stop his head exploding ,lol. i am friends with two polish couples , my youngest daughters best friend is the daughter of one of the couples. i always feel the poles are like the scots, just a bit better looking on average The nationalism combined with catholicism is something that developed when i didn't live there, but I find these news very very disturbing.
Work ethic is fine when they need money, but give them some comfort and they'll quickly turn lazy as well.
We're just people, product of nature and nurture. And we adapt quickly. I mean the ones who actually emigrate, thats a big test in itself. The not so adventurous ones just stay.
We're also torn between Russian and German ways of thinking. Very proud but at the same time, with a chip on a shoulder. I can't explain better, just thinking about it makes my head spin
We're upfront like Russians but envy the, Germans their efficiency and processes.
Plus we're the Chosen nation on various levels... Confused yet? I am!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that putting a million people into one category is not a good idea.
your last line is spot on.
Rich_W said:
This is interesting to me. Thinking back to the various Poles/EU Nationals I've met. (Sorry AJD cant talk for everyone) The ones that have been here 12-15 years (was it 03 it became "a thing" ) are far better integrated than anyone who came in the last 6-10 years. Who IME tend to have a different (re: worse) attitude.
I hesitate to use the phrase first and second generation of immigration since they are all between 20-45, but there does seem to be a difference.
2004 was when free movement was brought in for Poland, so anyone who came prior to that would have been on the stricter regime. I hesitate to use the phrase first and second generation of immigration since they are all between 20-45, but there does seem to be a difference.
And just for a little bit of balance, let's not forget the wave of Polish immmigrants before that:
I had a model of this very Spitfire hanging on my ceiling when I was little, and I recall being a bit confused about the decal at the front. It was only later on that I found out what it meant.
wc98 said:
qska said:
I can. They're awful racists, the lot of them.
The nationalism combined with catholicism is something that developed when i didn't live there, but I find these news very very disturbing.
Work ethic is fine when they need money, but give them some comfort and they'll quickly turn lazy as well.
We're just people, product of nature and nurture. And we adapt quickly. I mean the ones who actually emigrate, thats a big test in itself. The not so adventurous ones just stay.
We're also torn between Russian and German ways of thinking. Very proud but at the same time, with a chip on a shoulder. I can't explain better, just thinking about it makes my head spin
We're upfront like Russians but envy the, Germans their efficiency and processes.
Plus we're the Chosen nation on various levels... Confused yet? I am!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that putting a million people into one category is not a good idea.
ajd appears to have gone for a lie down to stop his head exploding ,lol. i am friends with two polish couples , my youngest daughters best friend is the daughter of one of the couples. i always feel the poles are like the scots, just a bit better looking on average The nationalism combined with catholicism is something that developed when i didn't live there, but I find these news very very disturbing.
Work ethic is fine when they need money, but give them some comfort and they'll quickly turn lazy as well.
We're just people, product of nature and nurture. And we adapt quickly. I mean the ones who actually emigrate, thats a big test in itself. The not so adventurous ones just stay.
We're also torn between Russian and German ways of thinking. Very proud but at the same time, with a chip on a shoulder. I can't explain better, just thinking about it makes my head spin
We're upfront like Russians but envy the, Germans their efficiency and processes.
Plus we're the Chosen nation on various levels... Confused yet? I am!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that putting a million people into one category is not a good idea.
your last line is spot on.
His last line is indeed spot on - and exactly why saying "all poles avoid VED and botch their cars" is a stupid thing an ignorant bigot might say.
I'm sure the poster didn't really mean it to come out like that
///ajd said:
wc98 said:
qska said:
I can. They're awful racists, the lot of them.
The nationalism combined with catholicism is something that developed when i didn't live there, but I find these news very very disturbing.
Work ethic is fine when they need money, but give them some comfort and they'll quickly turn lazy as well.
We're just people, product of nature and nurture. And we adapt quickly. I mean the ones who actually emigrate, thats a big test in itself. The not so adventurous ones just stay.
We're also torn between Russian and German ways of thinking. Very proud but at the same time, with a chip on a shoulder. I can't explain better, just thinking about it makes my head spin
We're upfront like Russians but envy the, Germans their efficiency and processes.
Plus we're the Chosen nation on various levels... Confused yet? I am!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that putting a million people into one category is not a good idea.
ajd appears to have gone for a lie down to stop his head exploding ,lol. i am friends with two polish couples , my youngest daughters best friend is the daughter of one of the couples. i always feel the poles are like the scots, just a bit better looking on average The nationalism combined with catholicism is something that developed when i didn't live there, but I find these news very very disturbing.
Work ethic is fine when they need money, but give them some comfort and they'll quickly turn lazy as well.
We're just people, product of nature and nurture. And we adapt quickly. I mean the ones who actually emigrate, thats a big test in itself. The not so adventurous ones just stay.
We're also torn between Russian and German ways of thinking. Very proud but at the same time, with a chip on a shoulder. I can't explain better, just thinking about it makes my head spin
We're upfront like Russians but envy the, Germans their efficiency and processes.
Plus we're the Chosen nation on various levels... Confused yet? I am!
I guess what I'm trying to say is that putting a million people into one category is not a good idea.
your last line is spot on.
His last line is indeed spot on - and exactly why saying "all poles avoid VED and botch their cars" is a stupid thing an ignorant bigot might say.
I'm sure the poster didn't really mean it to come out like that
If you read what was written it's clear he didn't write it or mean what you are implying he did,as per usual you are pathetically trying to twist what was written and failing, again!
You should look in a mirror,you'll see the reflection of what you accuse others of being.
don'tbesilly said:
That's not what was stated, and the person who made the comment has said as much.
If you read what was written it's clear he didn't write it or mean what you are implying he did,as per usual you are pathetically trying to twist what was written and failing, again!
You should look in a mirror,you'll see the reflection of what you accuse others of being.
If you read what was written it's clear he didn't write it or mean what you are implying he did,as per usual you are pathetically trying to twist what was written and failing, again!
You should look in a mirror,you'll see the reflection of what you accuse others of being.
rich said:
...it is interesting that the guys I see in Tescos regularly NEVER pay for the multiple plastic bags they steal) Don't know a single Pole who take their car to a garage. Its always a bodge repair for £20. And remember every one you see on Polish plates isn't paying VED either. (since they aren't registered with the dvla. And they are SUPPOSED to do so after 6 months but they dont) And you wonder about UK insurance too but theres no way of checking. And literally NONE of them go to the Pub. They tend towards drinking/eating at home (Polish beer of course) playing computer games. Last time you saw a group of 5-6 Polish guys in a bar chatting up girls and doing what Brits do?
I'd suggest you should look carefully at what you're defending, before you accuse others of being pathetic.Its drips from every word.
rich said:
...it is interesting that the guys I see in Tescos regularly NEVER pay for the multiple plastic bags they steal) Don't know a single Pole who take their car to a garage. Its always a bodge repair for £20. And remember every one you see on Polish plates isn't paying VED either. (since they aren't registered with the dvla. And they are SUPPOSED to do so after 6 months but they dont) And you wonder about UK insurance too but theres no way of checking. And literally NONE of them go to the Pub. They tend towards drinking/eating at home (Polish beer of course) playing computer games. Last time you saw a group of 5-6 Polish guys in a bar chatting up girls and doing what Brits do?
I rarely dip into NP&E due to posts like this.On plastic bags I see the same in Waitrose of middle class, high income British-sounding people who step out and into their RangeRover.
As for the pub, I don't know of ANY of our circle of friends that go to the pub any more. Take a look at most towns and villages - pubs are dying and closing at record rates. People are staying home more, or eating out instead. The pub culture is dying.
qska said:
We're also torn between Russian and German ways of thinking. Very proud but at the same time, with a chip on a shoulder. I can't explain better, just thinking about it makes my head spin
There are sound historic reasons why; Poles are geographically close to both nations, but have also been persecuted by them both, so it would account for a slight 'Stockholm syndrome' with regard to alignment and allegiances.The Nazi persecution of Poles is well known, the Soviet persecution less so. As I mentioned previously, my home town has a large Polish popualtion which dates back to WW2 and just a short walk from my home is a memorial to a little known event, the Katyn Massacre.
Wikki said:
The massacre was prompted by NKVD chief Lavrentiy Beria's proposal to execute all captive members of the Polish officer corps, dated 5 March 1940, approved by the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, including its leader, Joseph Stalin. The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000. The victims were executed in the Katyn Forest in Russia, the Kalinin and Kharkiv prisons, and elsewhere. Of the total killed, about 8,000 were officers imprisoned during the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, another 6,000 were police officers, and the rest were arrested Polish intelligentsia that the Soviets deemed to be "intelligence agents, gendarmes, landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials, and priests".
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
That's not what was stated, and the person who made the comment has said as much.
If you read what was written it's clear he didn't write it or mean what you are implying he did,as per usual you are pathetically trying to twist what was written and failing, again!
You should look in a mirror,you'll see the reflection of what you accuse others of being.
If you read what was written it's clear he didn't write it or mean what you are implying he did,as per usual you are pathetically trying to twist what was written and failing, again!
You should look in a mirror,you'll see the reflection of what you accuse others of being.
rich said:
...it is interesting that the guys I see in Tescos regularly NEVER pay for the multiple plastic bags they steal) Don't know a single Pole who take their car to a garage. Its always a bodge repair for £20. And remember every one you see on Polish plates isn't paying VED either. (since they aren't registered with the dvla. And they are SUPPOSED to do so after 6 months but they dont) And you wonder about UK insurance too but theres no way of checking. And literally NONE of them go to the Pub. They tend towards drinking/eating at home (Polish beer of course) playing computer games. Last time you saw a group of 5-6 Polish guys in a bar chatting up girls and doing what Brits do?
Its drips from every word.What exactly drips from every word?
don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
don'tbesilly said:
That's not what was stated, and the person who made the comment has said as much.
If you read what was written it's clear he didn't write it or mean what you are implying he did,as per usual you are pathetically trying to twist what was written and failing, again!
You should look in a mirror,you'll see the reflection of what you accuse others of being.
If you read what was written it's clear he didn't write it or mean what you are implying he did,as per usual you are pathetically trying to twist what was written and failing, again!
You should look in a mirror,you'll see the reflection of what you accuse others of being.
rich said:
...it is interesting that the guys I see in Tescos regularly NEVER pay for the multiple plastic bags they steal) Don't know a single Pole who take their car to a garage. Its always a bodge repair for £20. And remember every one you see on Polish plates isn't paying VED either. (since they aren't registered with the dvla. And they are SUPPOSED to do so after 6 months but they dont) And you wonder about UK insurance too but theres no way of checking. And literally NONE of them go to the Pub. They tend towards drinking/eating at home (Polish beer of course) playing computer games. Last time you saw a group of 5-6 Polish guys in a bar chatting up girls and doing what Brits do?
Its drips from every word.What exactly drips from every word?
NEVER pay...
they steal
...bodge repair for £20
aren't paying VED
No way of checking insurance
need I go on? It doesn't need to be spelt out.
Rawwr said:
They weren't displaced. We can't fill our production lines with those good ol' English workers because they don't want to do it. These jobs are all available to the English but applications are few and far between. If we didn't employ hundreds of Polish workers, our output would be on the floor.
Issue being many migrant workers will bunk up in shared housing and send money/buy property back home.It does happen, my friend who is polish runs a garage employing only polish mechanics, all do what I mentioned in opening statement. I benefit from good cheap work . The low wages are still far greater than what could be achieved back home but could not work if the staff wanted to fully relocate to the UK.
There are good honest working British staff too but wages dont support a typical native life style of one family/individual per house and lets not forget migrant workers will return cash rich when or if they go back.
We should never forget our debt to Poland who were vital in WW2 but you cant simplify the current issue when you employ 90% as migrant workers, you are seeing a skewed picture you yourself are responsible for.
battered said:
The Poles have pushed that down, for sure.
(quote) I didn't realise it was OK for us to be in a race to the bottom. Surely if the Poles were smart they'd charge the same or price beat by a small percentage. No one minds competition. But to undercut the brits by a large percentage 25-40% only serves to p
s off indigenous people who've spent years building up their business in the UK with the earnings cut they took to play the long game. Who said it was OK, and since when has it been a race to the bottom? If we bring in Polish doctors and they cut the amount of tasty private work, or reduce the numbers of locum NHS doctors being paid £2000 or £3000 for a shift, is that a race to the bottom too.
(quote)I'm not convinced. I can only speak from what I've seen. Firstly there IS a finite number of jobs. (/quote)
No there isn't. It's elastic.
(quote)1000 extra poles will need extra housing which we don't exactly have a surplus of (so rents go up) and we aren't building thousands of homes (so no extra work) Food and Fuel I'll accept (though it is interesting that the guys I see in Tescos regularly NEVER pay for the multiple plastic bags they steal) Don't know a single Pole who take their car to a garage. Its always a bodge repair for £20. And remember every one you see on Polish plates isn't paying VED either. (since they aren't registered with the dvla. And they are SUPPOSED to do so after 6 months but they dont) And you wonder about UK insurance too but theres no way of checking. And literally NONE of them go to the Pub. They tend towards drinking/eating at home (Polish beer of course) playing computer games. Last time you saw a group of 5-6 Polish guys in a bar chatting up girls and doing what Brits do?(/quote)
Good rant. You forgot "they all live 8 to a room and post the money home". They don't, but that won't stop you.
battered said:
We all know that the average immigrant Pole is more likely to be in work and therefore paying tax to UK govt than the average unskilled Brit.
There we go again with the Brit bashing again. But that's fine isn't it... (/quote)No Brit bashing here, it's a fact. The immigrants are young and healthy, well motivated and ambitious enough to cross Europe, so OF COURSE they claim fewer benefits. Oh, and it's all in the ONS figures, so you may with to tell them their "facts" are made up Brit bashing.
PH XKR said:
Issue being many migrant workers will bunk up in shared housing and send money/buy property back home.
It does happen, my friend who is polish runs a garage employing only polish mechanics, all do what I mentioned in opening statement. I benefit from good cheap work . The low wages are still far greater than what could be achieved back home but could not work if the staff wanted to fully relocate to the UK.
There are good honest working British staff too but wages dont support a typical native life style of one family/individual per house and lets not forget migrant workers will return cash rich when or if they go back.
We should never forget our debt to Poland who were vital in WW2 but you cant simplify the current issue when you employ 90% as migrant workers, you are seeing a skewed picture you yourself are responsible for.
I work in factories with literally thousands of Polish workers. I have never met one who sent significant sums of money home. Nor do they "bunk up in shared housing" any more than British young people do. I had Polish neighbours at the last place. They had 2 UK reg vehicles, taxed and insured, 2 local jobs, and a dog that used to come to the fence to see me. Oh but they're spending all their time in supermarkets stealing plastic bags.It does happen, my friend who is polish runs a garage employing only polish mechanics, all do what I mentioned in opening statement. I benefit from good cheap work . The low wages are still far greater than what could be achieved back home but could not work if the staff wanted to fully relocate to the UK.
There are good honest working British staff too but wages dont support a typical native life style of one family/individual per house and lets not forget migrant workers will return cash rich when or if they go back.
We should never forget our debt to Poland who were vital in WW2 but you cant simplify the current issue when you employ 90% as migrant workers, you are seeing a skewed picture you yourself are responsible for.
battered said:
I work in factories with literally thousands of Polish workers. I have never met one who sent significant sums of money home. Nor do they "bunk up in shared housing" any more than British young people do. I had Polish neighbours at the last place. They had 2 UK reg vehicles, taxed and insured, 2 local jobs, and a dog that used to come to the fence to see me. Oh but they're spending all their time in supermarkets stealing plastic bags.
Not sure what's the problem with sending £ home. I hear this all the time, and yet, can't see the problem with that. (I know that you replied to a post, so not directed at you, just too lazy to edit the other post).
jjlynn27 said:
Not sure what's the problem with sending £ home. I hear this all the time, and yet, can't see the problem with that.
(I know that you replied to a post, so not directed at you, just too lazy to edit the other post).
On purely economic grounds it's money not being spent in the local (ie UK) economy.(I know that you replied to a post, so not directed at you, just too lazy to edit the other post).
Murph7355 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Not sure what's the problem with sending £ home. I hear this all the time, and yet, can't see the problem with that.
(I know that you replied to a post, so not directed at you, just too lazy to edit the other post).
On purely economic grounds it's money not being spent in the local (ie UK) economy.(I know that you replied to a post, so not directed at you, just too lazy to edit the other post).
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