"No more Polish vermin"
Discussion
I love the way as soon as "Racism" is mentioned everybody is keen to say "I'm not and I don't know anybody that is !!"
I think it is an often miss used word, the dictionary definition is;
1Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior:
1.1The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:
Race itself is confusing - are the Polish a specific Race of people - or just a Nation of similar people to us.
Do we think we - the English are better / Superior to the Polish ? No I don't think we are, we are fairly similar. People may not like large numbers of foreign people in their town but does it make them Racist ?
However;
Take an imaginary oil producing nation in the Middle East (I daren't say a name or I will be banned and then arrested), with a poor human rights record that puts people to death for being gay. Do we think we are better / superior to them ? If I am honest yes I do, our society as a whole is "better" than theirs, we do not put people to death for being gay.
Take an imaginary group of people that travel around our country in small tin boxes doing poor landscaping jobs, and then threatening you to pay over the odds for the work. In my experience of them using whatever moral and social measurements you want, again I would say we are "better" than them.
Iceland are we better than them ? - no I would say they are Superior to us in every imaginable way !!!
Ultimately I guess unless you act on your belief that we are better - Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism - then you are not racist.
A closet racist perhaps ?
I think it is an often miss used word, the dictionary definition is;
1Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior:
1.1The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:
Race itself is confusing - are the Polish a specific Race of people - or just a Nation of similar people to us.
Do we think we - the English are better / Superior to the Polish ? No I don't think we are, we are fairly similar. People may not like large numbers of foreign people in their town but does it make them Racist ?
However;
Take an imaginary oil producing nation in the Middle East (I daren't say a name or I will be banned and then arrested), with a poor human rights record that puts people to death for being gay. Do we think we are better / superior to them ? If I am honest yes I do, our society as a whole is "better" than theirs, we do not put people to death for being gay.
Take an imaginary group of people that travel around our country in small tin boxes doing poor landscaping jobs, and then threatening you to pay over the odds for the work. In my experience of them using whatever moral and social measurements you want, again I would say we are "better" than them.
Iceland are we better than them ? - no I would say they are Superior to us in every imaginable way !!!
Ultimately I guess unless you act on your belief that we are better - Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism - then you are not racist.
A closet racist perhaps ?
del mar said:
Take an imaginary group of people that travel around our country in small tin boxes doing poor landscaping jobs, and then threatening you to pay over the odds for the work. In my experience of them using whatever moral and social measurements you want, again I would say we are "better" than them.
Why do you say you are better than this group, do house dwellers never do crap jobs and rip people off or get nasty if people don't pay? They lead an alternative life style which doesn't fit your social norms, however I would not say you are better than them.I think trying to suggest that we are superior to other countries because we have different laws/customs is what ultimately leads to distrust or dislike r people from other countries. It's a very stupid imperialist concept and quite frankly, we British would do well to improve our own outlooks on life rather than sneering at others.
kurt535 said:
KimJongHealthy said:
Silvernoble883 said:
KimJongHealthy said:
Liokault said:
Maybe the sort of people who made up the 90% of workers before they were displaced by the polish.
Especially when agencies bypass British workers and only advertise aboard.
- all b
hed about EU migrants taking their jobs- all were unemployable from the moment they left primary school with attitudes towards learning and social behaviours that were totally unsavoury
- most ended up getting sanctions due to late/no arrivals on course due to ill/doctors appointment/hospital appointment/ gran man ill/dead phantom job interview/'bus never showed/just simply couldn't be bothered
if you want to point the finger to why we have this immigration 'problem', start with the lazy white english costing welfare a packet year after year after year.
however i really look forward to them now taking back those jobs the 'immigrants' 'stole'......but don't hold your breath.....
Europa1 said:
I can only echo what Kurt said - I remember talking to the CEO of a business (fairly well known, UK-wide) which has its HQ in Huntingdon. I commented on the fact that most of the factory staff were East European. He replied that when they started, they employed locals, but soon discovered they "didn't really like working on Mondays, or Friday afternoons". It was depressing to hear.
That echoes my experience. I work in food factories, some have a heavy E Euro presence, some not. However what we do notice is that when we recruit (say) 5 Brits and 5 Poles and put them on the lines, by lunchtime 1 of the Brits has told a supervisor to F off and is on his way home, 2 others don't show up for day 2 and 1 doesn't make it in on Friday. The 5 Polish kids are still in there, head down. So we recruit another 4, and the cycle continues.In one factory where I worked there was only a small staff. One Hungarian had started, she worked well. Then somebody left, and she brought along her mate for an interview. She worked well too. 6 months on there are only 2 Brits left in the place, the original Hungarian had been promoted to supervisor and ran the place with an iron fist and the place ran so well the Ops Mgr spent half his time twiddling his thumbs.
I sympathise with Brits who feel displaced by E Europeans but the demands of production line work are hardly excessive. Turn up on time, do as you are asked, go home 8 hours later and turn up tomorrow. Is that really so hard?
battered said:
Europa1 said:
I can only echo what Kurt said - I remember talking to the CEO of a business (fairly well known, UK-wide) which has its HQ in Huntingdon. I commented on the fact that most of the factory staff were East European. He replied that when they started, they employed locals, but soon discovered they "didn't really like working on Mondays, or Friday afternoons". It was depressing to hear.
That echoes my experience. I work in food factories, some have a heavy E Euro presence, some not. However what we do notice is that when we recruit (say) 5 Brits and 5 Poles and put them on the lines, by lunchtime 1 of the Brits has told a supervisor to F off and is on his way home, 2 others don't show up for day 2 and 1 doesn't make it in on Friday. The 5 Polish kids are still in there, head down. So we recruit another 4, and the cycle continues.In one factory where I worked there was only a small staff. One Hungarian had started, she worked well. Then somebody left, and she brought along her mate for an interview. She worked well too. 6 months on there are only 2 Brits left in the place, the original Hungarian had been promoted to supervisor and ran the place with an iron fist and the place ran so well the Ops Mgr spent half his time twiddling his thumbs.
I sympathise with Brits who feel displaced by E Europeans but the demands of production line work are hardly excessive. Turn up on time, do as you are asked, go home 8 hours later and turn up tomorrow. Is that really so hard?
^^
This, unfortunately is fact, The dozen or so factories I contract to are dependant on non UK workers because they cannot get reliable UK workers.
However if you removed the system which pays them to sit home on the X box,
Maybe?
stitched said:
Self employed engineer mainly in the food industry and dairies.
^^
This, unfortunately is fact, The dozen or so factories I contract to are dependant on non UK workers because they cannot get reliable UK workers.
However if you removed the system which pays them to sit home on the X box,
Maybe?
exactly ^^
This, unfortunately is fact, The dozen or so factories I contract to are dependant on non UK workers because they cannot get reliable UK workers.
However if you removed the system which pays them to sit home on the X box,
Maybe?
yet when people who have observed this they are called all sorts of things ...
seen a disproportionate number of 'white british' agency staff frog marched off the premises in some of the production / logistics settings i've worked in - usually because their attitude stunk worse than whatever the mis demeanour that would lead to their cancellation ...
Dare I suggest that these factories/production lines are not getting many reliable UK workers for these jobs because the jobs themselves are in fact a little bit st? Poor pay, poor working conditions and limited career progression much more than the allure of a 'Team Leader' position on £8PH would struggle to motivate most in this country as it is unlikely to see much improvement of their current quality of life and/or finances. I don't know about you guys, but I work to better myself and my family, not for the sake of working.
The job market is now opened up to millions of people who may consider £6.70PH to actually be a decent wage in comparison to what would have been on offer at home and are more than happy to do that job with a smile/out performing UK workers. And if these guys are willing to do this in the same conditions and for the same pay, where is the incentive for employers to improve pay and conditions to the point where these jobs might start attracting UK nationals?
And by the way, I've got no issue with immigration, but its got to be for specific skills/occupations that the country cannot reasonably fill. Its why I get annoyed when people tag on something along the times of 'But XXX number of Doctors and Nurses are EU migrants' to subtract from the argument against free movement - Professions such as Doctors and Nurses are exactly the sort of people that we want and need as a society. Guys to work in the sports direct warehouse? Not so much IMHO.
t? Poor pay, poor working conditions and limited career progression much more than the allure of a 'Team Leader' position on £8PH would struggle to motivate most in this country as it is unlikely to see much improvement of their current quality of life and/or finances. I don't know about you guys, but I work to better myself and my family, not for the sake of working.The job market is now opened up to millions of people who may consider £6.70PH to actually be a decent wage in comparison to what would have been on offer at home and are more than happy to do that job with a smile/out performing UK workers. And if these guys are willing to do this in the same conditions and for the same pay, where is the incentive for employers to improve pay and conditions to the point where these jobs might start attracting UK nationals?
And by the way, I've got no issue with immigration, but its got to be for specific skills/occupations that the country cannot reasonably fill. Its why I get annoyed when people tag on something along the times of 'But XXX number of Doctors and Nurses are EU migrants' to subtract from the argument against free movement - Professions such as Doctors and Nurses are exactly the sort of people that we want and need as a society. Guys to work in the sports direct warehouse? Not so much IMHO.
279 said:
Dare I suggest that these factories/production lines are not getting many reliable UK workers for these jobs because the jobs themselves are in fact a little bit st? Poor pay, poor working conditions and limited career progression much more than the allure of a 'Team Leader' position on £8PH would struggle to motivate most in this country as it is unlikely to see much improvement of their current quality of life and/or finances. I don't know about you guys, but I work to better myself and my family, not for the sake of working.
The job market is now opened up to millions of people who may consider £6.70PH to actually be a decent wage in comparison to what would have been on offer at home and are more than happy to do that job with a smile/out performing UK workers. And if these guys are willing to do this in the same conditions and for the same pay, where is the incentive for employers to improve pay and conditions to the point where these jobs might start attracting UK nationals?
And by the way, I've got no issue with immigration, but its got to be for specific skills/occupations that the country cannot reasonably fill. Its why I get annoyed when people tag on something along the times of 'But XXX number of Doctors and Nurses are EU migrants' to subtract from the argument against free movement - Professions such as Doctors and Nurses are exactly the sort of people that we want and need as a society. Guys to work in the sports direct warehouse? Not so much IMHO.
the pay isn't poor - given the fairly minimal requirements for these roles - it's the attitudinal facotrs which are the greatest issue , if you can read, write and count that's the intellectual requirements for most line / warehouse work ... donlt forget the poerfully built consistantly claim that the minimum wage jobs don;t earn the business the minimum wage ...t? Poor pay, poor working conditions and limited career progression much more than the allure of a 'Team Leader' position on £8PH would struggle to motivate most in this country as it is unlikely to see much improvement of their current quality of life and/or finances. I don't know about you guys, but I work to better myself and my family, not for the sake of working.The job market is now opened up to millions of people who may consider £6.70PH to actually be a decent wage in comparison to what would have been on offer at home and are more than happy to do that job with a smile/out performing UK workers. And if these guys are willing to do this in the same conditions and for the same pay, where is the incentive for employers to improve pay and conditions to the point where these jobs might start attracting UK nationals?
And by the way, I've got no issue with immigration, but its got to be for specific skills/occupations that the country cannot reasonably fill. Its why I get annoyed when people tag on something along the times of 'But XXX number of Doctors and Nurses are EU migrants' to subtract from the argument against free movement - Professions such as Doctors and Nurses are exactly the sort of people that we want and need as a society. Guys to work in the sports direct warehouse? Not so much IMHO.
working conditions - aside from some of the stunts being pulled by local managers and stuff like the searches at sports direct ( funny other organisations can be bothered to resource this properly - as searches can be undertaken by supervisory staff, they don;t have to be SIA badged security...
279 said:
Dare I suggest that these factories/production lines are not getting many reliable UK workers for these jobs because the jobs themselves are in fact a little bit st? Poor pay, poor working conditions and limited career progression much more than the allure of a 'Team Leader' position on £8PH would struggle to motivate most in this country as it is unlikely to see much improvement of their current quality of life and/or finances. I don't know about you guys, but I work to better myself and my family, not for the sake of working.
The job market is now opened up to millions of people who may consider £6.70PH to actually be a decent wage in comparison to what would have been on offer at home and are more than happy to do that job with a smile/out performing UK workers. And if these guys are willing to do this in the same conditions and for the same pay, where is the incentive for employers to improve pay and conditions to the point where these jobs might start attracting UK nationals?
And by the way, I've got no issue with immigration, but its got to be for specific skills/occupations that the country cannot reasonably fill. Its why I get annoyed when people tag on something along the times of 'But XXX number of Doctors and Nurses are EU migrants' to subtract from the argument against free movement - Professions such as Doctors and Nurses are exactly the sort of people that we want and need as a society. Guys to work in the sports direct warehouse? Not so much IMHO.
From the indigenous population who do you expect to do the st? Poor pay, poor working conditions and limited career progression much more than the allure of a 'Team Leader' position on £8PH would struggle to motivate most in this country as it is unlikely to see much improvement of their current quality of life and/or finances. I don't know about you guys, but I work to better myself and my family, not for the sake of working.The job market is now opened up to millions of people who may consider £6.70PH to actually be a decent wage in comparison to what would have been on offer at home and are more than happy to do that job with a smile/out performing UK workers. And if these guys are willing to do this in the same conditions and for the same pay, where is the incentive for employers to improve pay and conditions to the point where these jobs might start attracting UK nationals?
And by the way, I've got no issue with immigration, but its got to be for specific skills/occupations that the country cannot reasonably fill. Its why I get annoyed when people tag on something along the times of 'But XXX number of Doctors and Nurses are EU migrants' to subtract from the argument against free movement - Professions such as Doctors and Nurses are exactly the sort of people that we want and need as a society. Guys to work in the sports direct warehouse? Not so much IMHO.
t jobs? The uneducated lower working class? If so stop paying them so much in benefits that it is more attractive to sit on your arse and work, you refer to trying to better yourself and family yet resent it when migrants try to do the same.Friend of mine just witnessed another case of racist abuse.
Tram in Manchester. Ch. 4 news have the footage. Loyal patriot hurling abuse at man who looked foreign. Twlling him he was going to get deported etc.
The results seem to have given legitimacy to some very unpleasant views.
It wasn't the usual scrote mouthing off. Absolute certainty that they would be gotten rid of. Very disturbing.
Tram in Manchester. Ch. 4 news have the footage. Loyal patriot hurling abuse at man who looked foreign. Twlling him he was going to get deported etc.
The results seem to have given legitimacy to some very unpleasant views.
It wasn't the usual scrote mouthing off. Absolute certainty that they would be gotten rid of. Very disturbing.
Colonial said:
Friend of mine just witnessed another case of racist abuse.
Tram in Manchester. Ch. 4 news have the footage. Loyal patriot hurling abuse at man who looked foreign. Twlling him he was going to get deported etc.
The results seem to have given legitimacy to some very unpleasant views.
It wasn't the usual scrote mouthing off. Absolute certainty that they would be gotten rid of. Very disturbing.
The press and youtube is full of such incidents pre-dating Brexit.Tram in Manchester. Ch. 4 news have the footage. Loyal patriot hurling abuse at man who looked foreign. Twlling him he was going to get deported etc.
The results seem to have given legitimacy to some very unpleasant views.
It wasn't the usual scrote mouthing off. Absolute certainty that they would be gotten rid of. Very disturbing.
Remain/Left agitators are probably behind a lot of the things that have supposedly happened like the 'vermin' cards.
Was speaking to some of my Polish friends ( all great chaps who work full time in the local chicken factory ) at the gym last night and they said if they had been given the chance to vote they would have voted leave, they say because far too many immigrants now and Brussels is a st heap.
t heap.Mr GrimNasty said:
The press and youtube is full of such incidents pre-dating Brexit.
Remain/Left agitators are probably behind a lot of the things that have supposedly happened like the 'vermin' cards.
Yeah. Except no. Stop clutching at straws. The footage is easily accessible. It's not go back where you came frome. It's you will be deportedRemain/Left agitators are probably behind a lot of the things that have supposedly happened like the 'vermin' cards.
Face it. Some racists have taken this as being their views are legitimate and mainstream. That is not to say all leave voters are like that. But it needs to be addressed and quickly. Otherwise things will become even more toxic.
Colonial said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
The press and youtube is full of such incidents pre-dating Brexit.
Remain/Left agitators are probably behind a lot of the things that have supposedly happened like the 'vermin' cards.
Yeah. Except no. Stop clutching at straws. The footage is easily accessible. It's not go back where you came frome. It's you will be deportedRemain/Left agitators are probably behind a lot of the things that have supposedly happened like the 'vermin' cards.
Face it. Some racists have taken this as being their views are legitimate and mainstream. That is not to say all leave voters are like that. But it needs to be addressed and quickly. Otherwise things will become even more toxic.
Leaving Europe was, for me, a vote for democratic rule. I welcome anyone who chooses to bring their skills to my/our nation. I don't care where they were born, what colour they are or which particular sky fairy they choose (note I'm not too keen on the exploding fraternity).
We are lucky to live in a peaceful, prosperous and democratic nation, of course we should take in refugees from places where this isn't the case.
But we should also be able to remove those whose idealism does not match ours, and it should be our choice.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Colonial said:
Friend of mine just witnessed another case of racist abuse.
Tram in Manchester. Ch. 4 news have the footage. Loyal patriot hurling abuse at man who looked foreign. Twlling him he was going to get deported etc.
The results seem to have given legitimacy to some very unpleasant views.
It wasn't the usual scrote mouthing off. Absolute certainty that they would be gotten rid of. Very disturbing.
The press and youtube is full of such incidents pre-dating Brexit.Tram in Manchester. Ch. 4 news have the footage. Loyal patriot hurling abuse at man who looked foreign. Twlling him he was going to get deported etc.
The results seem to have given legitimacy to some very unpleasant views.
It wasn't the usual scrote mouthing off. Absolute certainty that they would be gotten rid of. Very disturbing.
Remain/Left agitators are probably behind a lot of the things that have supposedly happened like the 'vermin' cards.
.The "victory" in the referendum has given the closet racists that unfortunately live in this country the chance to step out into the daylight, together with brain dead morons who will jump on an opportunity to be offensive.
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