"No more Polish vermin"
Discussion
battered said:
What did you expect? The campaign for many was about one issue, we all know which one. Once the great British public conflates 2 issues, it's done. A great number of people on Thursday were voting "no immigrants", like it or not. Having seen that 52% of the population appear to agree with them, then their views become legitimate in their own minds. I don't like this any more than anyone else but there's going to be more of this.
That really annoys me!I voted for Brexit, but in my last job I had a colleague who came from one of the Eastern European states (probably best not to say which until we get some control of freedom of speech, although it may have been hinted at in the header) who was great in every way! (And so much better than my other colleagues who had "British" passports by virtue of colonialism and marriage).
So I have no time for any racism like that - we may be all different but we are all still human at the end of the day.
I think the motivation of voters has got hi-jacked - I never had a problem with free-trade (wasn't that what the EU was invented for originally - you know, back in the days when that fat French General wouldn't let the UK join)! Then he became a spent force so we got in at the 3rd attempt! (Probably to help with the funding because the virtually bankrupt French nation wouldn't, or more likely couldn't)!
But why would you even consider joining a club that had turned you down twice already??? I'd be inclined to tell that club to do one - oh, we just have. Great - F**K em.
Terminator X said:
battered said:
Terminator X said:
How many reports of no racist abuse do you expect to see on the TV?
TX.
I'd like to see no reports of any abuse. Fact is that reported abuse is up 57% since Thursday (source - BBC).TX.
TX.
Source: Indy.
"There were 85 reports of hate crimes to True Vision, a police-funded reporting website, between Thursday and Sunday compared with 54 reports over the same period four weeks ago."
I would say that 85 reports in 4 days was a significant rise compared to 54 in the same time. I wouldn't say that was "very small". Nor would I say that "it's just one of those things" and it is far from acceptable.
Mr Tidy said:
battered said:
What did you expect? The campaign for many was about one issue, we all know which one. Once the great British public conflates 2 issues, it's done. A great number of people on Thursday were voting "no immigrants", like it or not. Having seen that 52% of the population appear to agree with them, then their views become legitimate in their own minds. I don't like this any more than anyone else but there's going to be more of this.
That really annoys me!I voted for Brexit, but in my last job I had a colleague who came from one of the Eastern European states (probably best not to say which until we get some control of freedom of speech, although it may have been hinted at in the header) who was great in every way! (And so much better than my other colleagues who had "British" passports by virtue of colonialism and marriage).
So I have no time for any racism like that - we may be all different but we are all still human at the end of the day.
I think the motivation of voters has got hi-jacked - I never had a problem with free-trade (wasn't that what the EU was invented for originally - you know, back in the days when that fat French General wouldn't let the UK join)! Then he became a spent force so we got in at the 3rd attempt! (Probably to help with the funding because the virtually bankrupt French nation wouldn't, or more likely couldn't)!
But why would you even consider joining a club that had turned you down twice already??? I'd be inclined to tell that club to do one - oh, we just have. Great - F**K em.
I know two foreign people and am going on holiday with a Muslim Family, so I must know more than you....
What do you think Girl A from Rotherham thinks of immigration or Alice Gross's parents - they are probably not supportive of it- THE VILE RACISTS
This is better than the National out pouring of grief for Jo Cox, we are all clambering over each to see who can say I HATE RACISM the loudest, whilst as usual ignoring the problem. Battered is right.
Do we really think 17m people are bothered about sovereignty, most probably don't know what it means. The far right in Austria almost got to power, Le Pen almost made it in France. Right leaning groups are gaining support in most European countries, no longer can you just sit there and call everybody Racist, this works when it is 1% of the country, but Austria was almost 50% - so a country in the middle of Europe are vile racists ?
We are also assuming that the lovely people from Poland (it could be any eastern European nation) are the most perfect non racist bunch of people you could ever hope to meet, based on the fact that I worked with one several years ago..... A Czech friend was quite happy to say "we don't like the Bulgarians"
Rather than consider there could be an issue and talk about it we could post #love #no racism #unite against hate on twitter. "Unite against hate" seems to be particular trendy at the moment.
Yes aspects of the leave campaign prayed on peoples fears - whether accurate fears or not, but they had these fears in the first place, and rather than address why and how they have these fears we can SHOUT THEM DOWN and call them RACIST !!
berlintaxi said:
del mar said:
Take an imaginary group of people that travel around our country in small tin boxes doing poor landscaping jobs, and then threatening you to pay over the odds for the work. In my experience of them using whatever moral and social measurements you want, again I would say we are "better" than them.
Why do you say you are better than this group, do house dwellers never do crap jobs and rip people off or get nasty if people don't pay? They lead an alternative life style which doesn't fit your social norms, however I would not say you are better than them.
hole posting when I see it.del mar said:
We are also assuming that the lovely people from Poland (it could be any eastern European nation) are the most perfect non racist bunch of people you could ever hope to meet, based on the fact that I worked with one several years ago..... A Czech friend was quite happy to say "we don't like the Bulgarians"
I work with quite a lot of Polish people (I really like them, but I think we get the "cream" over here). They seem quite proud that they no longer have a problem with Romanian beggars, as there far right just beat them up repeatedly.I have been over in Poland twice this year, visiting suppliers. They are quite happy to talk openly about being terrified (the women) and angry about imminently having to take in a quota of Muslim (Syrian) refugees.
I also worked a few years ago with a Ukrainian who would wax lyrical about Russians moving in and undercutting the locals.....he saw no irony in this.
rohrl said:
Surely you can do better.Polish man taken to hospital due to pre existing heart condition.
Not harmed in any way.
Nasty chav with tatoos 'may' have said something racist to him during the day before his heart condition made it sensible to take him to hospital.
Even I could find a better example of how over half the country suddenly became racist.
stitched said:
rohrl said:
Surely you can do better.Polish man taken to hospital due to pre existing heart condition.
Not harmed in any way.
Nasty chav with tatoos 'may' have said something racist to him during the day before his heart condition made it sensible to take him to hospital.
Even I could find a better example of how over half the country suddenly became racist.
All forms of racism are to be condemned.
For me the main reason I voted Brexit was because of the lack of sovereignty,the fact that the EU was heading towards Fedralism and the fact that there was no real effort to combat the corruption that is endemic in the system.
Having said that I cannot see a problem with the ability for a country to sensibly control the amount of immigrants coming into a country.
A control based mainly on the requirements of the labour requirements of that country and whether the infrastructure of that country can support those immigrants so as not to put pressure on the reasonable expectations of those already living in that country.
When the infrastructure of a country comes under pressure and when people find that their wages are artificially depressed and they find difficulty finding a job they look for scapegoats.
Many countries in the EU are still suffering the chaotic effects of the scandalous banking crisis that has played havoc with their economies.
At home many workers wages have to be subsided within our tax system when employers get away with paying low wages.
Unfortunately these problems get conflated in the minds of some people and they turn their wrath in their frustration on the easy target the immigrant ,by the lack of action from our politicians and they feel that there is no one that speaks for them or understands there very real problems.
For me the main reason I voted Brexit was because of the lack of sovereignty,the fact that the EU was heading towards Fedralism and the fact that there was no real effort to combat the corruption that is endemic in the system.
Having said that I cannot see a problem with the ability for a country to sensibly control the amount of immigrants coming into a country.
A control based mainly on the requirements of the labour requirements of that country and whether the infrastructure of that country can support those immigrants so as not to put pressure on the reasonable expectations of those already living in that country.
When the infrastructure of a country comes under pressure and when people find that their wages are artificially depressed and they find difficulty finding a job they look for scapegoats.
Many countries in the EU are still suffering the chaotic effects of the scandalous banking crisis that has played havoc with their economies.
At home many workers wages have to be subsided within our tax system when employers get away with paying low wages.
Unfortunately these problems get conflated in the minds of some people and they turn their wrath in their frustration on the easy target the immigrant ,by the lack of action from our politicians and they feel that there is no one that speaks for them or understands there very real problems.
battered said:
Terminator X said:
battered said:
Terminator X said:
How many reports of no racist abuse do you expect to see on the TV?
TX.
I'd like to see no reports of any abuse. Fact is that reported abuse is up 57% since Thursday (source - BBC).TX.
TX.
Source: Indy.
"There were 85 reports of hate crimes to True Vision, a police-funded reporting website, between Thursday and Sunday compared with 54 reports over the same period four weeks ago."
I would say that 85 reports in 4 days was a significant rise compared to 54 in the same time. I wouldn't say that was "very small". Nor would I say that "it's just one of those things" and it is far from acceptable.
If true 31 additional reports then vs last week across the whole of the UK? Not a lot really is it given the population size.
TX.
battered said:
Specsavers yourself. Perhaps they do blinkers too, for when your current set wear out.
Of course it's a significant difference. 55 to 60, you'd have a point. 50-odd to 80-odd, hardly.
Patience, the authorities are on the case - as inexcusable as it was last week but millions are unhappy with this seismic event.Of course it's a significant difference. 55 to 60, you'd have a point. 50-odd to 80-odd, hardly.
berlintaxi said:
Plenty of chavs who live in houses fit your description are they better than "caravan dwellers" because that is what the poster said, or is it only the middle class that is better than others, try and think for yourself rather than let the Daily Mail form your opinions for you.
Just to clarify what I meant.I am not concerned about what people live in, I think you have taken that at a too literal level - it was a way to describe a group of people without mentioning them by name.
Our society of 66m or so, lives within the bounds of a moral / social and legal framework or guidelines or ideas whatever you want to call it, and in the main we all stick to this and get on reasonably well with each other. There is respect and awareness for others and their property, and whilst we might not like all of the laws the majority of the 66m tend to follow them. Our society works.
On the other hand I believe that their population of 15,000 (according to Wikipedia) lack a moral and social compass / guidelines and have little respect for any laws at all. Everything they do tends to be aimed solely at their own personal gain - The perfect Capitalist model !! All the positive things that make up our society I believe they reject and are absent in theirs.
If we all took on the same values as they do our country would descend into one of the futuristic visions of a failed society.
As a whole I think our society/us is/are better than theirs/them - although I fully accept there are some vile people in our society.
I have some experiences of them, and people that I know who have had any dealings with them would agree with me. Of course I don't know all of them, but you hear the same stories and see the same actions all round the country and there are only 15,000 of them.
Vanessa Redgrave.
She decided that she would offer her support to those illegal camped settlement at Dale Farm, raising awareness of their plight - that of being moved off their land where they were camped illegally - planning laws are there for a reason. "We" apply first, imagine if we decided just to build what we wanted where we wanted to - chaos.
There is a picture of her outside the High Court with Mrs Sheridan, lending her support to their appeal- where you may ask was Mr Sheridan whilst his wife and the Good People of our society were at court? Whilst Vanessa was working hard to try and help their community Mr Sheridan was travelling around Europe stealing Rhino Horn from Museums. It appeared he would regularly go to Strasbourg and then knock of a couple of museums on the way home.
She is a naïve women with good intentions, who thinks we are all nice people.
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