"No more Polish vermin"
Discussion
The British must be among the most tolerant and welcoming people on the planet, and despite constant accusations of "xenophobia" from the Left, very few of us genuinely have a problem with immigration which is in sensible amounts and is brought about for the benefit of the British people.
Unfortunately, there is a widespread perception that particularly for the last 20 years or so, immigration policy has been set not for the benefit of ordinary British people, but instead to bring in cheap labour and voters for big government, and possibly for more sinister globalist purposes. The white British working class in particular feel that their concerns are simply not being listened to, and that newcomers (particularly those from poorer countries) are being put above them in various ways.
Thus, when they see an immigrant from, say, eastern Europe, this often triggers feelings of resentment and envy. This resentment can be heightened if the immigrant is, for example, talking loudly in their own language or exhibiting "imported antisocial behaviour" which is more common in their country of origin (e.g. drink-driving or throwing rubbish into the street), because it is perceived that they haven't come here because they like Britain or the British, they're just picking and choosing what they want from this country. It is perceived that they're "taking the piss" and they're not even trying to hide that. That they think of Britain as weak and a soft touch. This resentment, which is bound to boil over at times, would largely not exist if immigration were at sensible numbers and for the right reasons, those who came were encouraged to assimilate and were proud to become more British, and those who seriously transgressed were deported.
Once we have a sensible immigration policy, set first and foremost for the benefit of those already here, then the word "immigrant" will take on positive connotations, and much of the unpleasantness described (which of course is never acceptable) will cease, though of course there will always be some who are genuinely nasty pieces of work. Freedom of movement can hardly be said to be helping matters, surely? You cannot just command ordinary people to believe that current immigration is strengthening their country and improving their lot, and call them silly names if they don't comply. Once immigration policy is demonstrably beneficial to the average Joe, it'll solve a hell of a lot of problems, and pretty much everyone will win. The vast, vast majority will then see an immigrant and think "they are making our country better by being here". What's not to like?
Having said all that, I don't really believe that Brexit has led to any significant rise in "being nasty to foreigners". Remainers are currently encouraging each other on Facebook to report "hate crimes" in order to try to make Brexit look bad (after all, they're unhappy that we haven't had the post-Brexit financial crash they were so perversely hoping for, so they've got to try to make Brexit look bad in other ways instead, because what's the alternative...being honest?) Ludicrously, police record a crime as a "hate crime" whenever the alleged victim says they feel that it's a hate crime. And the absolute number of genuine, verifiable incidences of people saying horrible things to foreigners or intimidating them is so low that it's difficult to ascertain whether there's any kind of trend. There's also the fact that plenty of Leave voters and campaigners have been harassed and intimidated (particularly since their side dared to win the referendum), and once again, treating them as though they don't matter as much as immigrants is only going to fuel resentment.
Oh, and if I've offended you, I don't give a s
t. These issues have to be discussed honestly.
Unfortunately, there is a widespread perception that particularly for the last 20 years or so, immigration policy has been set not for the benefit of ordinary British people, but instead to bring in cheap labour and voters for big government, and possibly for more sinister globalist purposes. The white British working class in particular feel that their concerns are simply not being listened to, and that newcomers (particularly those from poorer countries) are being put above them in various ways.
Thus, when they see an immigrant from, say, eastern Europe, this often triggers feelings of resentment and envy. This resentment can be heightened if the immigrant is, for example, talking loudly in their own language or exhibiting "imported antisocial behaviour" which is more common in their country of origin (e.g. drink-driving or throwing rubbish into the street), because it is perceived that they haven't come here because they like Britain or the British, they're just picking and choosing what they want from this country. It is perceived that they're "taking the piss" and they're not even trying to hide that. That they think of Britain as weak and a soft touch. This resentment, which is bound to boil over at times, would largely not exist if immigration were at sensible numbers and for the right reasons, those who came were encouraged to assimilate and were proud to become more British, and those who seriously transgressed were deported.
Once we have a sensible immigration policy, set first and foremost for the benefit of those already here, then the word "immigrant" will take on positive connotations, and much of the unpleasantness described (which of course is never acceptable) will cease, though of course there will always be some who are genuinely nasty pieces of work. Freedom of movement can hardly be said to be helping matters, surely? You cannot just command ordinary people to believe that current immigration is strengthening their country and improving their lot, and call them silly names if they don't comply. Once immigration policy is demonstrably beneficial to the average Joe, it'll solve a hell of a lot of problems, and pretty much everyone will win. The vast, vast majority will then see an immigrant and think "they are making our country better by being here". What's not to like?
Having said all that, I don't really believe that Brexit has led to any significant rise in "being nasty to foreigners". Remainers are currently encouraging each other on Facebook to report "hate crimes" in order to try to make Brexit look bad (after all, they're unhappy that we haven't had the post-Brexit financial crash they were so perversely hoping for, so they've got to try to make Brexit look bad in other ways instead, because what's the alternative...being honest?) Ludicrously, police record a crime as a "hate crime" whenever the alleged victim says they feel that it's a hate crime. And the absolute number of genuine, verifiable incidences of people saying horrible things to foreigners or intimidating them is so low that it's difficult to ascertain whether there's any kind of trend. There's also the fact that plenty of Leave voters and campaigners have been harassed and intimidated (particularly since their side dared to win the referendum), and once again, treating them as though they don't matter as much as immigrants is only going to fuel resentment.
Oh, and if I've offended you, I don't give a s
t. These issues have to be discussed honestly.Edited by GPSHead on Saturday 2nd July 01:46
A comment I came across earlier, sums this whole debacle up perfectly.
"I, for one, am simply THRILLED at the massive increase of racist abuse. It was there all along. Just simmering under the surface. Waiting for a moment of boldness and confidence so it could come out and enjoy some time in the sun.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is not a lesson but a confirmation that our country is infested with slack jawed mouth-breathers who are dumb enough to vote for their own economic downfall just to try to punish other people.
And they know - deep down inside - that those they wish to punish are better than they are. Smarter, better educated, more sophisticated.
It's so blatantly obvious that so many people born in a first-world country not lacking in opportunity have been left behind by others who grew up with nothing and came here with nothing.
And every time some yob opens his filthy fking racist mouth in public there are millions more nodding in agreement. So it pleases me when they do it because I no longer need to be paranoid that this country might be full of low-class racist browbeatimg scum. Now I know it for sure.
There are plenty exceedingly good people too and it's just too bad that they will be forced to suffer through the actions of ignorant fktards who are too stupid to know how dumb they are."
"I, for one, am simply THRILLED at the massive increase of racist abuse. It was there all along. Just simmering under the surface. Waiting for a moment of boldness and confidence so it could come out and enjoy some time in the sun.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is not a lesson but a confirmation that our country is infested with slack jawed mouth-breathers who are dumb enough to vote for their own economic downfall just to try to punish other people.
And they know - deep down inside - that those they wish to punish are better than they are. Smarter, better educated, more sophisticated.
It's so blatantly obvious that so many people born in a first-world country not lacking in opportunity have been left behind by others who grew up with nothing and came here with nothing.
And every time some yob opens his filthy f
king racist mouth in public there are millions more nodding in agreement. So it pleases me when they do it because I no longer need to be paranoid that this country might be full of low-class racist browbeatimg scum. Now I know it for sure.There are plenty exceedingly good people too and it's just too bad that they will be forced to suffer through the actions of ignorant f
ktards who are too stupid to know how dumb they are."GPSHead said:
The British must be among the most tolerant and welcoming people on the planet, and despite constant accusations of "xenophobia" from the Left, very few of us genuinely have a problem with immigration which is in sensible amounts and is brought about for the benefit of the British people.
Unfortunately, there is a widespread perception that particularly for the last 20 years or so, immigration policy has been set not for the benefit of ordinary British people, but instead to bring in cheap labour and voters for big government, and possibly for more sinister globalist purposes. The white British working class in particular feel that their concerns are simply not being listened to, and that newcomers (particularly those from poorer countries) are being put above them in various ways.
Thus, when they see an immigrant from, say, eastern Europe, this often triggers feelings of resentment and envy. This resentment can be heightened if the immigrant is, for example, talking loudly in their own language or exhibiting "imported antisocial behaviour" which is more common in their country of origin (e.g. drink-driving or throwing rubbish into the street), because it is perceived that they haven't come here because they like Britain or the British, they're just picking and choosing what they want from this country. It is perceived that they're "taking the piss" and they're not even trying to hide that. That they think of Britain as weak and a soft touch. This resentment, which is bound to boil over at times, would largely not exist if immigration were at sensible numbers and for the right reasons, those who came were encouraged to assimilate and were proud to become more British, and those who seriously transgressed were deported.
Once we have a sensible immigration policy, set first and foremost for the benefit of those already here, then the word "immigrant" will take on positive connotations, and much of the unpleasantness described (which of course is never acceptable) will cease, though of course there will always be some who are genuinely nasty pieces of work. Freedom of movement can hardly be said to be helping matters, surely? You cannot just command ordinary people to believe that current immigration is strengthening their country and improving their lot, and call them silly names if they don't comply. Once immigration policy is demonstrably beneficial to the average Joe, it'll solve a hell of a lot of problems, and pretty much everyone will win. The vast, vast majority will then see an immigrant and think "they are making our country better by being here". What's not to like?
Having said all that, I don't really believe that Brexit has led to any significant rise in "being nasty to foreigners". Remainers are currently encouraging each other on Facebook to report "hate crimes" in order to try to make Brexit look bad (after all, they're unhappy that we haven't had the post-Brexit financial crash they were so perversely hoping for, so they've got to try to make Brexit look bad in other ways instead, because what's the alternative...being honest?) Ludicrously, police record a crime as a "hate crime" whenever the alleged victim says they feel that it's a hate crime. And the absolute number of genuine, verifiable incidences of people saying horrible things to foreigners or intimidating them is so low that it's difficult to ascertain whether there's any kind of trend. There's also the fact that plenty of Leave voters and campaigners have been harassed and intimidated (particularly since their side dared to win the referendum), and once again, treating them as though they don't matter as much as immigrants is only going to fuel resentment.
Oh, and if I've offended you, I don't give a st. These issues have to be discussed honestly.
Thank you, a good post.Unfortunately, there is a widespread perception that particularly for the last 20 years or so, immigration policy has been set not for the benefit of ordinary British people, but instead to bring in cheap labour and voters for big government, and possibly for more sinister globalist purposes. The white British working class in particular feel that their concerns are simply not being listened to, and that newcomers (particularly those from poorer countries) are being put above them in various ways.
Thus, when they see an immigrant from, say, eastern Europe, this often triggers feelings of resentment and envy. This resentment can be heightened if the immigrant is, for example, talking loudly in their own language or exhibiting "imported antisocial behaviour" which is more common in their country of origin (e.g. drink-driving or throwing rubbish into the street), because it is perceived that they haven't come here because they like Britain or the British, they're just picking and choosing what they want from this country. It is perceived that they're "taking the piss" and they're not even trying to hide that. That they think of Britain as weak and a soft touch. This resentment, which is bound to boil over at times, would largely not exist if immigration were at sensible numbers and for the right reasons, those who came were encouraged to assimilate and were proud to become more British, and those who seriously transgressed were deported.
Once we have a sensible immigration policy, set first and foremost for the benefit of those already here, then the word "immigrant" will take on positive connotations, and much of the unpleasantness described (which of course is never acceptable) will cease, though of course there will always be some who are genuinely nasty pieces of work. Freedom of movement can hardly be said to be helping matters, surely? You cannot just command ordinary people to believe that current immigration is strengthening their country and improving their lot, and call them silly names if they don't comply. Once immigration policy is demonstrably beneficial to the average Joe, it'll solve a hell of a lot of problems, and pretty much everyone will win. The vast, vast majority will then see an immigrant and think "they are making our country better by being here". What's not to like?
Having said all that, I don't really believe that Brexit has led to any significant rise in "being nasty to foreigners". Remainers are currently encouraging each other on Facebook to report "hate crimes" in order to try to make Brexit look bad (after all, they're unhappy that we haven't had the post-Brexit financial crash they were so perversely hoping for, so they've got to try to make Brexit look bad in other ways instead, because what's the alternative...being honest?) Ludicrously, police record a crime as a "hate crime" whenever the alleged victim says they feel that it's a hate crime. And the absolute number of genuine, verifiable incidences of people saying horrible things to foreigners or intimidating them is so low that it's difficult to ascertain whether there's any kind of trend. There's also the fact that plenty of Leave voters and campaigners have been harassed and intimidated (particularly since their side dared to win the referendum), and once again, treating them as though they don't matter as much as immigrants is only going to fuel resentment.
Oh, and if I've offended you, I don't give a s
t. These issues have to be discussed honestly.Edited by GPSHead on Saturday 2nd July 01:46
s2art said:
EnglishTony said:
don4l said:
You lefties are bloody hilarious.
I was born here. However, I have an Irish accent. A couple of months ago Breadvan72, a barrister, told me that I was as British as anybody else.
So, I explained to some people that I was out Beagling with that I was as English as they were.
The answer was "fk off Murphy" - accompanied by much laughter, from a large crowd.
Was I racially abused?
YesI was born here. However, I have an Irish accent. A couple of months ago Breadvan72, a barrister, told me that I was as British as anybody else.
So, I explained to some people that I was out Beagling with that I was as English as they were.
The answer was "f
k off Murphy" - accompanied by much laughter, from a large crowd.Was I racially abused?
I'm lucky enough to have a bunch of friends who are so relaxed in each others' company, that we can say whatever we like to each other.
GPSHead said:
The British must be among the most tolerant and welcoming people on the planet, and despite constant accusations of "xenophobia" from the Left, very few of us genuinely have a problem with immigration which is in sensible amounts and is brought about for the benefit of the British people.
Unfortunately, there is a widespread perception that particularly for the last 20 years or so, immigration policy has been set not for the benefit of ordinary British people, but instead to bring in cheap labour and voters for big government, and possibly for more sinister globalist purposes. The white British working class in particular feel that their concerns are simply not being listened to, and that newcomers (particularly those from poorer countries) are being put above them in various ways.
Thus, when they see an immigrant from, say, eastern Europe, this often triggers feelings of resentment and envy. This resentment can be heightened if the immigrant is, for example, talking loudly in their own language or exhibiting "imported antisocial behaviour" which is more common in their country of origin (e.g. drink-driving or throwing rubbish into the street), because it is perceived that they haven't come here because they like Britain or the British, they're just picking and choosing what they want from this country. It is perceived that they're "taking the piss" and they're not even trying to hide that. That they think of Britain as weak and a soft touch. This resentment, which is bound to boil over at times, would largely not exist if immigration were at sensible numbers and for the right reasons, those who came were encouraged to assimilate and were proud to become more British, and those who seriously transgressed were deported.
Once we have a sensible immigration policy, set first and foremost for the benefit of those already here, then the word "immigrant" will take on positive connotations, and much of the unpleasantness described (which of course is never acceptable) will cease, though of course there will always be some who are genuinely nasty pieces of work. Freedom of movement can hardly be said to be helping matters, surely? You cannot just command ordinary people to believe that current immigration is strengthening their country and improving their lot, and call them silly names if they don't comply. Once immigration policy is demonstrably beneficial to the average Joe, it'll solve a hell of a lot of problems, and pretty much everyone will win. The vast, vast majority will then see an immigrant and think "they are making our country better by being here". What's not to like?
Having said all that, I don't really believe that Brexit has led to any significant rise in "being nasty to foreigners". Remainers are currently encouraging each other on Facebook to report "hate crimes" in order to try to make Brexit look bad (after all, they're unhappy that we haven't had the post-Brexit financial crash they were so perversely hoping for, so they've got to try to make Brexit look bad in other ways instead, because what's the alternative...being honest?) Ludicrously, police record a crime as a "hate crime" whenever the alleged victim says they feel that it's a hate crime. And the absolute number of genuine, verifiable incidences of people saying horrible things to foreigners or intimidating them is so low that it's difficult to ascertain whether there's any kind of trend. There's also the fact that plenty of Leave voters and campaigners have been harassed and intimidated (particularly since their side dared to win the referendum), and once again, treating them as though they don't matter as much as immigrants is only going to fuel resentment.
Oh, and if I've offended you, I don't give a st. These issues have to be discussed honestly.
Good post. Unfortunately, there is a widespread perception that particularly for the last 20 years or so, immigration policy has been set not for the benefit of ordinary British people, but instead to bring in cheap labour and voters for big government, and possibly for more sinister globalist purposes. The white British working class in particular feel that their concerns are simply not being listened to, and that newcomers (particularly those from poorer countries) are being put above them in various ways.
Thus, when they see an immigrant from, say, eastern Europe, this often triggers feelings of resentment and envy. This resentment can be heightened if the immigrant is, for example, talking loudly in their own language or exhibiting "imported antisocial behaviour" which is more common in their country of origin (e.g. drink-driving or throwing rubbish into the street), because it is perceived that they haven't come here because they like Britain or the British, they're just picking and choosing what they want from this country. It is perceived that they're "taking the piss" and they're not even trying to hide that. That they think of Britain as weak and a soft touch. This resentment, which is bound to boil over at times, would largely not exist if immigration were at sensible numbers and for the right reasons, those who came were encouraged to assimilate and were proud to become more British, and those who seriously transgressed were deported.
Once we have a sensible immigration policy, set first and foremost for the benefit of those already here, then the word "immigrant" will take on positive connotations, and much of the unpleasantness described (which of course is never acceptable) will cease, though of course there will always be some who are genuinely nasty pieces of work. Freedom of movement can hardly be said to be helping matters, surely? You cannot just command ordinary people to believe that current immigration is strengthening their country and improving their lot, and call them silly names if they don't comply. Once immigration policy is demonstrably beneficial to the average Joe, it'll solve a hell of a lot of problems, and pretty much everyone will win. The vast, vast majority will then see an immigrant and think "they are making our country better by being here". What's not to like?
Having said all that, I don't really believe that Brexit has led to any significant rise in "being nasty to foreigners". Remainers are currently encouraging each other on Facebook to report "hate crimes" in order to try to make Brexit look bad (after all, they're unhappy that we haven't had the post-Brexit financial crash they were so perversely hoping for, so they've got to try to make Brexit look bad in other ways instead, because what's the alternative...being honest?) Ludicrously, police record a crime as a "hate crime" whenever the alleged victim says they feel that it's a hate crime. And the absolute number of genuine, verifiable incidences of people saying horrible things to foreigners or intimidating them is so low that it's difficult to ascertain whether there's any kind of trend. There's also the fact that plenty of Leave voters and campaigners have been harassed and intimidated (particularly since their side dared to win the referendum), and once again, treating them as though they don't matter as much as immigrants is only going to fuel resentment.
Oh, and if I've offended you, I don't give a s
t. These issues have to be discussed honestly.Edited by GPSHead on Saturday 2nd July 01:46
Common sense - quantitative and qualitative immigration is a win win. Uncontrolled immigration esp from poorer countries and a vastly different culture + system that favours economic migrants is a lose lose. 10's of thousands achieved and likely vote would have tipped in favour of Remain although Juncker tried so hard to encourage us to Leave.
GPSHead said:
The British must be among the most tolerant and welcoming people on the planet, and despite constant accusations of "xenophobia" from the Left, very few of us genuinely have a problem with immigration which is in sensible amounts and is brought about for the benefit of the British people.
Unfortunately, there is a widespread perception that particularly for the last 20 years or so, immigration policy has been set not for the benefit of ordinary British people, but instead to bring in cheap labour and voters for big government, and possibly for more sinister globalist purposes. The white British working class in particular feel that their concerns are simply not being listened to, and that newcomers (particularly those from poorer countries) are being put above them in various ways.
Thus, when they see an immigrant from, say, eastern Europe, this often triggers feelings of resentment and envy. This resentment can be heightened if the immigrant is, for example, talking loudly in their own language or exhibiting "imported antisocial behaviour" which is more common in their country of origin (e.g. drink-driving or throwing rubbish into the street), because it is perceived that they haven't come here because they like Britain or the British, they're just picking and choosing what they want from this country. It is perceived that they're "taking the piss" and they're not even trying to hide that. That they think of Britain as weak and a soft touch. This resentment, which is bound to boil over at times, would largely not exist if immigration were at sensible numbers and for the right reasons, those who came were encouraged to assimilate and were proud to become more British, and those who seriously transgressed were deported.
Once we have a sensible immigration policy, set first and foremost for the benefit of those already here, then the word "immigrant" will take on positive connotations, and much of the unpleasantness described (which of course is never acceptable) will cease, though of course there will always be some who are genuinely nasty pieces of work. Freedom of movement can hardly be said to be helping matters, surely? You cannot just command ordinary people to believe that current immigration is strengthening their country and improving their lot, and call them silly names if they don't comply. Once immigration policy is demonstrably beneficial to the average Joe, it'll solve a hell of a lot of problems, and pretty much everyone will win. The vast, vast majority will then see an immigrant and think "they are making our country better by being here". What's not to like?
Having said all that, I don't really believe that Brexit has led to any significant rise in "being nasty to foreigners". Remainers are currently encouraging each other on Facebook to report "hate crimes" in order to try to make Brexit look bad (after all, they're unhappy that we haven't had the post-Brexit financial crash they were so perversely hoping for, so they've got to try to make Brexit look bad in other ways instead, because what's the alternative...being honest?) Ludicrously, police record a crime as a "hate crime" whenever the alleged victim says they feel that it's a hate crime. And the absolute number of genuine, verifiable incidences of people saying horrible things to foreigners or intimidating them is so low that it's difficult to ascertain whether there's any kind of trend. There's also the fact that plenty of Leave voters and campaigners have been harassed and intimidated (particularly since their side dared to win the referendum), and once again, treating them as though they don't matter as much as immigrants is only going to fuel resentment.
Oh, and if I've offended you, I don't give a st. These issues have to be discussed honestly.
I think you may well have captured the feelings of white, working class Britains. And I understand some of the concerns, but you leave a lot of questions to be answered. Unfortunately, there is a widespread perception that particularly for the last 20 years or so, immigration policy has been set not for the benefit of ordinary British people, but instead to bring in cheap labour and voters for big government, and possibly for more sinister globalist purposes. The white British working class in particular feel that their concerns are simply not being listened to, and that newcomers (particularly those from poorer countries) are being put above them in various ways.
Thus, when they see an immigrant from, say, eastern Europe, this often triggers feelings of resentment and envy. This resentment can be heightened if the immigrant is, for example, talking loudly in their own language or exhibiting "imported antisocial behaviour" which is more common in their country of origin (e.g. drink-driving or throwing rubbish into the street), because it is perceived that they haven't come here because they like Britain or the British, they're just picking and choosing what they want from this country. It is perceived that they're "taking the piss" and they're not even trying to hide that. That they think of Britain as weak and a soft touch. This resentment, which is bound to boil over at times, would largely not exist if immigration were at sensible numbers and for the right reasons, those who came were encouraged to assimilate and were proud to become more British, and those who seriously transgressed were deported.
Once we have a sensible immigration policy, set first and foremost for the benefit of those already here, then the word "immigrant" will take on positive connotations, and much of the unpleasantness described (which of course is never acceptable) will cease, though of course there will always be some who are genuinely nasty pieces of work. Freedom of movement can hardly be said to be helping matters, surely? You cannot just command ordinary people to believe that current immigration is strengthening their country and improving their lot, and call them silly names if they don't comply. Once immigration policy is demonstrably beneficial to the average Joe, it'll solve a hell of a lot of problems, and pretty much everyone will win. The vast, vast majority will then see an immigrant and think "they are making our country better by being here". What's not to like?
Having said all that, I don't really believe that Brexit has led to any significant rise in "being nasty to foreigners". Remainers are currently encouraging each other on Facebook to report "hate crimes" in order to try to make Brexit look bad (after all, they're unhappy that we haven't had the post-Brexit financial crash they were so perversely hoping for, so they've got to try to make Brexit look bad in other ways instead, because what's the alternative...being honest?) Ludicrously, police record a crime as a "hate crime" whenever the alleged victim says they feel that it's a hate crime. And the absolute number of genuine, verifiable incidences of people saying horrible things to foreigners or intimidating them is so low that it's difficult to ascertain whether there's any kind of trend. There's also the fact that plenty of Leave voters and campaigners have been harassed and intimidated (particularly since their side dared to win the referendum), and once again, treating them as though they don't matter as much as immigrants is only going to fuel resentment.
Oh, and if I've offended you, I don't give a s
t. These issues have to be discussed honestly.Edited by GPSHead on Saturday 2nd July 01:46
What's your ideal immigrant?
Should their role really only be to benefit Britain and exclusively, real British people? Parasitic relationship for one demographic? Or should it be symbiotic for the benefit of all?
Who are these real British people? Don't they include anyone who's not white, working class? Why not?
Why don't you believe the rise in xenophobia? If there isn't a rise, is the current level of xenophobia ok?! Or don't you believe it exists period?
GPSHead said:
<snip>The British must be among the most tolerant and welcoming people on the planet,<snip>
Based on my own experience I would completely agree with the above. However it's not universal. There has always been an element of the indigenous population who are quite vile bigoted individuals who have hated (and still hate) people whose skin is a different colour. The kind of people who complain about "PC gone mad" because their bogotry isn't tolerated by the majority of British people (or "lefties" as they prefer to label them). Brexit seems to have encouraged more of them to come back out of the woodwork.Countdown said:
GPSHead said:
<snip>The British must be among the most tolerant and welcoming people on the planet,<snip>
Based on my own experience I would completely agree with the above. However it's not universal. There has always been an element of the indigenous population who are quite vile bigoted individuals who have hated (and still hate) people whose skin is a different colour. The kind of people who complain about "PC gone mad" because their bogotry isn't tolerated by the majority of British people (or "lefties" as they prefer to label them). Brexit seems to have encouraged more of them to come back out of the woodwork.GPSHead's point remains - the British are amongst the most tolerant & welcoming people and this is so often abused.
PC has gone mad.
Countdown said:
GPSHead said:
<snip>The British must be among the most tolerant and welcoming people on the planet,<snip>
Based on my own experience I would completely agree with the above. However it's not universal. There has always been an element of the indigenous population who are quite vile bigoted individuals who have hated (and still hate) people whose skin is a different colour. The kind of people who complain about "PC gone mad" because their bogotry isn't tolerated by the majority of British people (or "lefties" as they prefer to label them). Brexit seems to have encouraged more of them to come back out of the woodwork.Alpinestars said:
I think you may well have captured the feelings of white, working class Britains. And I understand some of the concerns, but you leave a lot of questions to be answered.
What's your ideal immigrant?
Should their role really only be to benefit Britain and exclusively, real British people? Parasitic relationship for one demographic? Or should it be symbiotic for the benefit of all?
Who are these real British people? Don't they include anyone who's not white, working class? Why not?
Why don't you believe the rise in xenophobia? If there isn't a rise, is the current level of xenophobia ok?! Or don't you believe it exists period?
A good post from GPSHead followed by this good response. I'm liking the high quality of discussion from both sides. Clear, respectful and well reasoned by both.What's your ideal immigrant?
Should their role really only be to benefit Britain and exclusively, real British people? Parasitic relationship for one demographic? Or should it be symbiotic for the benefit of all?
Who are these real British people? Don't they include anyone who's not white, working class? Why not?
Why don't you believe the rise in xenophobia? If there isn't a rise, is the current level of xenophobia ok?! Or don't you believe it exists period?
Countdown said:
Based on my own experience I would completely agree with the above. However it's not universal. There has always been an element of the indigenous population who are quite vile bigoted individuals who have hated (and still hate) people whose skin is a different colour. The kind of people who complain about "PC gone mad" because their bogotry isn't tolerated by the majority of British people (or "lefties" as they prefer to label them). Brexit seems to have encouraged more of them to come back out of the woodwork.
Where do you pigeonhole immigrants like me who are not very keen on lefties?Am I a bigot?
don4l said:
Countdown said:
Based on my own experience I would completely agree with the above. However it's not universal. There has always been an element of the indigenous population who are quite vile bigoted individuals who have hated (and still hate) people whose skin is a different colour. The kind of people who complain about "PC gone mad" because their bogotry isn't tolerated by the majority of British people (or "lefties" as they prefer to label them). Brexit seems to have encouraged more of them to come back out of the woodwork.
Where do you pigeonhole immigrants like me who are not very keen on lefties?Am I a bigot?
This has been covered in my local rag.
Apparently, the Polish advice centre in town has issued some info about how to handle being racially abused. It seems to have come from nowhere as I haven't seen or heard of any incidents of Eastern Europeans being abused by White British folk. Despite the amount of Europeans living here.
This has caused some concern though as a lovely Eastern European chap was recently stood in the centre of my local town abusing British people. He was shouting things like 'English Pigs'. However, even though the police were involved, he wasn't charged with anything racist. Funny how it seems to go one way.
Personally, I think it's a load of old tosh brought on by Labour's policies 10 or so years ago. We are all one race, the human race. We just have slightly different features.
To me, racism would be something like calling a cat a stupid little furry feline wker.
Just my rural, flat earther opinion of course.
Apparently, the Polish advice centre in town has issued some info about how to handle being racially abused. It seems to have come from nowhere as I haven't seen or heard of any incidents of Eastern Europeans being abused by White British folk. Despite the amount of Europeans living here.
This has caused some concern though as a lovely Eastern European chap was recently stood in the centre of my local town abusing British people. He was shouting things like 'English Pigs'. However, even though the police were involved, he wasn't charged with anything racist. Funny how it seems to go one way.
Personally, I think it's a load of old tosh brought on by Labour's policies 10 or so years ago. We are all one race, the human race. We just have slightly different features.
To me, racism would be something like calling a cat a stupid little furry feline w
ker.Just my rural, flat earther opinion of course.
I think the problem lies in the fact that as a species humans aren't really cut out for this whole multiculturalism thing. It's a depressing thought but where ever you go people will always react badly to a large influx of foreigners or people that are perceived to be different. Dump 250,000 Brits in Poland and I suspect you'd get a similar negative response. These people are usually in the minority but there is still enough of them to make things difficult.
In the middle ages the Jews were being persecuted throughout Europe and were being blamed for every bad thing going but they were offered safe haven in Poland. They were there for 600 years, fully integrated into the society yet the only thing Poland seems to have gained from this is a reputation for anti-semitism which doesn't strike me as worth 600 years of effort.
Multiculturalism is a great idea but only works in small doses as it needs to be kept under the radar of that minority that object to it.
In the middle ages the Jews were being persecuted throughout Europe and were being blamed for every bad thing going but they were offered safe haven in Poland. They were there for 600 years, fully integrated into the society yet the only thing Poland seems to have gained from this is a reputation for anti-semitism which doesn't strike me as worth 600 years of effort.
Multiculturalism is a great idea but only works in small doses as it needs to be kept under the radar of that minority that object to it.
Alpinestars said:
I think you may well have captured the feelings of white, working class Britains. And I understand some of the concerns, but you leave a lot of questions to be answered.
What's your ideal immigrant?
Should their role really only be to benefit Britain and exclusively, real British people? Parasitic relationship for one demographic? Or should it be symbiotic for the benefit of all?
Who are these real British people? Don't they include anyone who's not white, working class? Why not?
Why don't you believe the rise in xenophobia? If there isn't a rise, is the current level of xenophobia ok?! Or don't you believe it exists period?
Well not directed at me, but it is far more than white working class Britons that want a sensible immigration policy.What's your ideal immigrant?
Should their role really only be to benefit Britain and exclusively, real British people? Parasitic relationship for one demographic? Or should it be symbiotic for the benefit of all?
Who are these real British people? Don't they include anyone who's not white, working class? Why not?
Why don't you believe the rise in xenophobia? If there isn't a rise, is the current level of xenophobia ok?! Or don't you believe it exists period?
Mass immigration of unskilled Labour is a net economic cost to the nation, but benefits certain interest groups within society. The supposed "left" gain from what they believe to be future votes and the wealthy benefit from the holding down of real wages and the inflation of asset prices. The costs of this policy are loaded onto the taxpayer while the few benefit. Private profit and public cost and this is supposed to be capitalism in action.
All studies showing the fiscal impact of immigration never separate out skilled and unskilled migration. Have you never stopped to wonder why that is so?. Of course net migration of investment bankers, lawyers, engineers etc is a net benefit. Combining them with the rest is to disguise what is going on.
There are those who say we need unskilled Labour to compete. This is the top ten UK exports
http://www.worldstopexports.com/united-kingdoms-to...
Name to me any one of these dependent on unskilled Labour.
So the ideal immigrant is someone who actually adds value to the country and all too many since 2000 haven't.
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