"No more Polish vermin"

[Silvernoble883]

KimJongHealthy said:

Silvernoble883 said:

Them racists C4 news

370,000 migrants on benefits

http://www.channel4.com/news/370-000-migrants-on-b...

work-related benefits. It's not the same as someone who shows up in the job centre only to get some cash for booze, is it?

makes up 6.4 per cent of the 5.5 million claimants in the UK

5.5 million people claim benefits and you think the 370k are the core problem that's ruining the country? Really?

Nope just putting right some remainers who live in laa laa land.

[battered]

There's more than remainers living in la-la land. Let's see how we pay for this, shall we?

[Trabi601]

KimJongHealthy said:

work-related benefits. It's not the same as someone who shows up in the job centre only to get some cash for booze, is it?

makes up 6.4 per cent of the 5.5 million claimants in the UK

5.5 million people claim benefits and you think the 370k are the core problem that's ruining the country? Really?

"Work related benefit" is slightly misleading, too - as much of it will be tax credits, a system created because our tax system is in desperate need of reform. (We take money, then give it back in tax credits, creating paperwork for no net gain).

[mph1977]

Trabi601 said:

KimJongHealthy said:

work-related benefits. It's not the same as someone who shows up in the job centre only to get some cash for booze, is it?

makes up 6.4 per cent of the 5.5 million claimants in the UK

5.5 million people claim benefits and you think the 370k are the core problem that's ruining the country? Really?

"Work related benefit" is slightly misleading, too - as much of it will be tax credits, a system created because our tax system is in desperate need of reform. (We take money, then give it back in tax credits, creating paperwork for no net gain).

be a slug of (partial) housing benefit and council tax benefit as well , does plain ordinary chidl benefit count as a 'in work benefit' as well ?

[glazbagun]

hora said:

My surname is foreign, I look British, my partner is clearly not of British origin.

Neither of us have experienced anything vaguely racist.

These news reports. Hmmmm.

TBH I think most of us live in our own bubbles. I have Labour friends on facebook who couldn't believe it when Ed didn't become Prime Minister. Likewise Yessers. I myself didn't stay up to watch the vote as I expected it to be a walkover for Remain and not worth the lost sleep.

So if you didn't experience much racism before, you probably won't today- you still have the same job, live in the same house and associate with the same people.

What I think has changed is that people become more aware of those in other bubbles. I've cosmopolitan 1st Gen Polish immigrant pals who are pretty-shell shocked and horrified by some of the stuff they're seeing on TV. They've never experienced it because they're well educated and have grown up in areas where the mouth breathers are just as multicultural as they are, so seeing that half of the country wants them out for hogging Doctors appointments and housing feels like waking up in a new country.

I grew up in a town where you'd have your head kicked in for being the wrong sort of Christian. It's so long ago that it almost seems like it happened to someone else, but the IndyRef brought a whole lot of public to the surface who I had just assumed didn't exist any more.

[hora]

Bullies are bullies and will always find weaker people of (insert stature, looks, height, etc etc) since time immorial. I guess the difference between me/my other half and some others is we won't be quiet. I remember once in London late at night a bloke quietly called my other half a fking chinky. The first I knew of it was when she spat full on into his face.

With Eastern Europeans (myself included) if a mouth breather doesn't hear you speak they've no idea what nationality that you are. Different if you are of any sort of colour. The way things were going (in or out vote) at some point we ARE going to reach a horrible point of ammosity towards race/origin. Population is going up and up, resources aren't. Like it or not the in/out vote means nothing. It just nudged the media and a few mouth breathers. This is my opinion. I fear for my son's future (however he'll have my/my other half's 'forceful' persoanlity). For quieter immigrant (2nd/3rd gen's?)

[///ajd]

Silvernoble883 said:

KimJongHealthy said:

Silvernoble883 said:

Them racists C4 news

370,000 migrants on benefits

http://www.channel4.com/news/370-000-migrants-on-b...

work-related benefits. It's not the same as someone who shows up in the job centre only to get some cash for booze, is it?

makes up 6.4 per cent of the 5.5 million claimants in the UK

5.5 million people claim benefits and you think the 370k are the core problem that's ruining the country? Really?

Nope just putting right some remainers who live in laa laa land.

You did read that the vast majority - 260,000 - were not from the EEA, and hence nothing to do with EU freedom of movement related to the question of brexit?

[Sam All]

So, 2 weeks on has the situation ended up like the Remainers predicted?

[Alpinestars]

Sam All said:

So, 2 weeks on has the situation ended up like the Remainers predicted?

In what way?

Financially, it's already a getting messy and will get worse IMO.

Were false promises made by the Leave campaign, some of which have come to light, others eg, immigration control may also come home to roost? Yes.

It's resulted in political turmoil.

I could never see the benefits of leaving, and still can't.

So in short, yes.

[pim]

Financially who did really benefit from the E.U in the UK?

You can quote all kind of figures and statistics even the Germans and Dutch admit that they have known about so much poverty in big parts of the UK.

In the south with sky high house prices and London the centre of organised money swindling.

[Trabi601]

pim said:

Financially who did really benefit from the E.U in the UK?

You can quote all kind of figures and statistics even the Germans and Dutch admit that they have known about so much poverty in big parts of the UK.

In the south with sky high house prices and London the centre of organised money swindling.

Huge swathes of the South Wales Valleys (ex-mining communities), much of the North, and Scotland.

Amazingly, some of the strongest exit support came from the areas which most benefitted from EU funding. Ebbw Vale is a prime example - they interviewed a few people, stood in front of a new school, new leisure centre, new roads and asked them how they voted and why. Even when it was pointed out that the area had been regenerated using EU money, the only argument put forward for their exit vote was 'immigrants' - an immigrant would be front page news in Ebbw Vale!

Now, I hear the argument that it was 'our money anyway' - but successive Westminster governments had buried their heads in the sand and ignored the issues outside of the South East - it was only because the EU properly prioritise deprived areas for redevelopment that some of these areas have had investment.

[Alpinestars]

pim said:

Financially who did really benefit from the E.U in the UK?

and London the centre of organised money swindling.

You mean the bit that bankrolls the rest of the country?

[anonymous-user]

Trabi601 said:

pim said:

Financially who did really benefit from the E.U in the UK?

You can quote all kind of figures and statistics even the Germans and Dutch admit that they have known about so much poverty in big parts of the UK.

In the south with sky high house prices and London the centre of organised money swindling.

Huge swathes of the South Wales Valleys (ex-mining communities), much of the North, and Scotland.

Amazingly, some of the strongest exit support came from the areas which most benefitted from EU funding. Ebbw Vale is a prime example - they interviewed a few people, stood in front of a new school, new leisure centre, new roads and asked them how they voted and why. Even when it was pointed out that the area had been regenerated using EU money, the only argument put forward for their exit vote was 'immigrants' - an immigrant would be front page news in Ebbw Vale!

Now, I hear the argument that it was 'our money anyway' - but successive Westminster governments had buried their heads in the sand and ignored the issues outside of the South East - it was only because the EU properly prioritise deprived areas for redevelopment that some of these areas have had investment.

I'm guessing you haven't been to the valleys recently......

.....and are you seriously suggesting we should be thanking the EU for our infrastructure? Wow....

[wc98]

Trabi601 said:

Huge swathes of the South Wales Valleys (ex-mining communities), much of the North, and Scotland.

Amazingly, some of the strongest exit support came from the areas which most benefitted from EU funding. Ebbw Vale is a prime example - they interviewed a few people, stood in front of a new school, new leisure centre, new roads and asked them how they voted and why. Even when it was pointed out that the area had been regenerated using EU money, the only argument put forward for their exit vote was 'immigrants' - an immigrant would be front page news in Ebbw Vale!

Now, I hear the argument that it was 'our money anyway' - but successive Westminster governments had buried their heads in the sand and ignored the issues outside of the South East - it was only because the EU properly prioritise deprived areas for redevelopment that some of these areas have had investment.

there is a big difference between vanity projects with funded by the eu labels on them, and stuff that actually achieves something of substance. less of the former and more of the latter would have been nice.

[Trabi601]

REALIST123 said:

I'm guessing you haven't been to the valleys recently......

.....and are you seriously suggesting we should be thanking the EU for our infrastructure? Wow....

I live in the area!

There has been a huge amount of money spent in the area - tthe old Ebbw Vale steelworks redevelopment was 75% EU funding, the A465 dualling mostly EU funding, £8m for Pontypridd town centre, £7.7m for Aberdare town centre, and that's without digging too deeply!

South Wales gets more investment per capita than any other part of the UK. The figure is something like £70 per person, per year.

[amgmcqueen]

Trabi601 said:

REALIST123 said:

I'm guessing you haven't been to the valleys recently......

.....and are you seriously suggesting we should be thanking the EU for our infrastructure? Wow....

I live in the area!

There has been a huge amount of money spent in the area - tthe old Ebbw Vale steelworks redevelopment was 75% EU funding, the A465 dualling mostly EU funding, £8m for Pontypridd town centre, £7.7m for Aberdare town centre, and that's without digging too deeply!

South Wales gets more investment per capita than any other part of the UK. The figure is something like £70 per person, per year.

Is it 'EU money'? Or is it just our own money being giving back to us?

[Trabi601]

amgmcqueen said:

Is it 'EU money'? Or is it just our own money being giving back to us?

Moot point. Westminster wouldn't have spent this money.

[sidicks]

Trabi601 said:

Moot point. Westminster wouldn't have spent this money.

You can claim that, but that doesn't make it so!

[amgmcqueen]

Trabi601 said:

amgmcqueen said:

Is it 'EU money'? Or is it just our own money being giving back to us?

Moot point. Westminster wouldn't have spent this money.

How and why would the EU spend money in these areas without input from Westminster?

[Trabi601]

sidicks said:

You can claim that, but that doesn't make it so!

Westminster have abandoned most of the UK outside of the South East.

Another case - the redevelopment of Manchester after the IRA bomb. 'EU funding' was an order of magnitude greater than what Westminster offered.

I've lived in the North West, the South East and South Wales, so feel qualified to comment on this one.