"No more Polish vermin"

[sidicks]

Trabi601 said:

Westminster have abandoned most of the UK outside of the South East.

Another case - the redevelopment of Manchester after the IRA bomb. 'EU funding' was an order of magnitude greater than what Westminster offered.

I've lived in the North West, the South East and South Wales, so feel qualified to comment on this one.

You can't possibly comment on what the money would have been spent on (hypothetical scenario) if we hadn't been paying it to the EU in the first place.

[Alpinestars]

sidicks said:

You can't possibly comment on what the money would have been spent on (hypothetical scenario) if we hadn't been paying it to the EU in the first place.

That works both ways doesn't it?

[sidicks]

Alpinestars said:

sidicks said:

You can't possibly comment on what the money would have been spent on (hypothetical scenario) if we hadn't been paying it to the EU in the first place.

That works both ways doesn't it?

Certainly does!

[jjlynn27]

BIANCO said:

If your life involves working your arse off in a job which you've not seen a pay rise or improvement in years and struggling to get by. Seeing your local community change beyond recognition. Somehow I think these people don't give two sts about a new sports center.

Those people should do something to better themselves. Rather than blame everyone else, imo. Some of us compete for jobs where competition can be based anywhere in the world. With advances in technology, more and more jobs will be like that. More and more jobs would be contract/project based.
Those people, do they give two sts about new schools?

[battered]

Alpinestars said:

Sam All said:

So, 2 weeks on has the situation ended up like the Remainers predicted?

In what way?

Financially, it's already a getting messy and will get worse IMO.

Were false promises made by the Leave campaign, some of which have come to light, others eg, immigration control may also come home to roost? Yes.

It's resulted in political turmoil.

I could never see the benefits of leaving, and still can't.

So in short, yes.

It's hardly ending up anything. 2 weeks in, we have the financial markets taking a hit, parliament all over, race attacks, and more to come. It's an omnishambles and we've barely even started. It's worse than I imagined.

[TeamD]

I know that I shouldn't do this now, because I've had a drink, BUT...

I spent three days last week assuring everyone that I met in Poland that we don't hate them. We DON'T hate Europeans. Would all of you Remainers just fking quit trying to do our country down and paint us as xenophobes!!!

[Sam All]

TeamD said:

I know that I shouldn't do this now, because I've had a drink, BUT...

I spent three days last week assuring everyone that I met in Poland that we don't hate them. We DON'T hate Europeans. Would all of you Remainers just fking quit trying to do our country down and paint us as xenophobes!!!

Good to have a drink

And apart from the knee jerk reaction, not seen newspapers write about attacks on EU/ ethnic citizens. Move on people.

[anonymous-user]

Trabi601 said:

Westminster have abandoned most of the UK outside of the South East.

Another case - the redevelopment of Manchester after the IRA bomb. 'EU funding' was an order of magnitude greater than what Westminster offered.

I've lived in the North West, the South East and South Wales, so feel qualified to comment on this one.

bks, I'm a Manchester lad, now living in Cambridgeshire. My mums office was blown up in that bomb, fortunately she was OK. The drive and funding for the regeneration of Manchester came from local businesses, the city council and the Tory government of the day, even though they knew they would lose the election to Blair shortly after.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

The £21 million funded by the EU was conditional on it being matched by the private sector, the government added a further £90 million.

[del mar]

TeamD said:

I know that I shouldn't do this now, because I've had a drink, BUT...

I spent three days last week assuring everyone that I met in Poland that we don't hate them. We DON'T hate Europeans. Would all of you Remainers just fking quit trying to do our country down and paint us as xenophobes!!!

You cant go around lying to people like that - you will give us a bad name !

[Trabi601]

jsf said:

bks, I'm a Manchester lad, now living in Cambridgeshire. My mums office was blown up in that bomb, fortunately she was OK. The drive and funding for the regeneration of Manchester came from local businesses, the city council and the Tory government of the day, even though they knew they would lose the election to Blair shortly after.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

The £21 million funded by the EU was conditional on it being matched by the private sector, the government added a further £90 million.

No evidence there of who funded it,

There's a figure of £83m which was 'European and Westminster funding' - that's about the only confirmed figure available.

There are stories circulating that only £4.5m of the £83m was Westminster money. Much of the cash was either insurance funded, charity funded or EU funded.

Westminster would have let the city rot.

[anonymous-user]

Trabi601 said:

No evidence there of who funded it,

There's a figure of £83m which was 'European and Westminster funding' - that's about the only confirmed figure available.

There are stories circulating that only £4.5m of the £83m was Westminster money. Much of the cash was either insurance funded, charity funded or EU funded.

Westminster would have let the city rot.

Again, you are talking nonsense. Westminster has never let the city rot. There was major investment prior to the bomb in areas like Hulme, an area I worked in during that time. Manchester Airport alone received over £90 million in government funds under the tories to expand.

With regards to the bomb, this is what was stated in Parliament available in Hansard http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers...

"
Manchester City Centre (Rebuilding)

HC Deb 10 February 1997 vol 290 cc15-6W 16W

Mr. Alfred Morris To ask the Deputy Prime Minister if he will make a statement on developments in relation to financial support from the Government for the rebuilding of Manchester city centre following the IRA bombing.

The Deputy Prime Minister I was delighted to announce this morning that the Government will give Manchester the funds required to implement the scheme chosen to regenerate Manchester city centre. We shall provide £43 million over the next three years, in addition to £20 million of European funds announced last summer.

I expect these contributions to unlock very substantial investment by the private sector—around £345 million in total."

[dandarez]

Trabi601 said:

jsf said:

bks, I'm a Manchester lad, now living in Cambridgeshire. My mums office was blown up in that bomb, fortunately she was OK. The drive and funding for the regeneration of Manchester came from local businesses, the city council and the Tory government of the day, even though they knew they would lose the election to Blair shortly after.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

The £21 million funded by the EU was conditional on it being matched by the private sector, the government added a further £90 million.

No evidence there of who funded it,

There's a figure of £83m which was 'European and Westminster funding' - that's about the only confirmed figure available.

There are stories circulating that only £4.5m of the £83m was Westminster money. Much of the cash was either insurance funded, charity funded or EU funded.

Westminster would have let the city rot.

What utter bks! 'Stories circulating' that's the operative words!
How old were you when the IRA hit Manchester?

3 years after the bds struck - my Mancunian business pal related that the rebuilding of Manchester had cost £550million at that point in time, with businesses giving the bulk of this amount after the initial injection of £84m from the Government, the Millennium Fund, and 'lastly', the EU.

[Trabi601]

It appears that Blair stepped up the funding, but the initial amounts pledged by Westminster were pathetic.

I was in my mid-ish 20s when it happened.

For some reason, the uploader doesn't work on a Chromebook - but the initial funding from Westminster was £450k vs. £21.5m from the EU.
(Figures found on Hansard)

[anonymous-user]

Oh boy.

So do you now accept that the EU funding was less than the government funding and less than the local business funding?

[Sam All]

Thread is past its best before date.

[Trabi601]

jsf said:

Oh boy.

So do you now accept that the EU funding was less than the government funding and less than the local business funding?

It seems I looked at a narrow window in the initial aftermath... but the funding DIDN'T come from the Tory party, it only started flowing once Blair was in control.

But, my point still stands - the first wave of funding was all EU, with a pittance initially offered by the Tory administration.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/after-the-bom...

[anonymous-user]

You said "Westminster have abandoned most of the UK outside of the South East.

Another case - the redevelopment of Manchester after the IRA bomb. 'EU funding' was an order of magnitude greater than what Westminster offered.
"

That was clearly bks, wasn't it!

Heseltine committed the Government to spending the money, as he had previously done when investing in Hulme prior to the bomb. The majority of government funds took some time to come because they held a redesign process, once that was completed the funds were released to be used to implement the scheme agreed.

The previous EU finds were allocated by the government to fund the initial requirements of the City, so they were not left without funding required during the initial clean-up.

This is all basic common sense stuff, if you aren't trying to score bullst points.

[Trabi601]

The Westminster administration abandoned Manchester. Initial funding was redirected EU money, with a pittance from Westminster.

Blair changed that and ensured funding was in place - but the Tory administration basically said 'not our problem, mate'. As they continue to do for anything outside of their cosy little SE existence.

Without the checks and balances of the EU, large swathes of the UK will be driven back to poverty by a government that doesn't care.

These are dark times for the UK - rising acceptance of racism, the working and benefits classes turning to a Nationalist Socialist party and a Tory party that's further right than Thatcher with no opposition.

[anonymous-user]

OK, I cant discuss anything with someone who isn't prepared to see evidence and then change their view if they are shown to be incorrect.

Go see a chiropractor, because your back is bound to be fooked carrying so much weight on one shoulder.

[Vaud]

Trabi601 said:

.These are dark times for the UK - rising acceptance of racism, the working and benefits classes turning to a Nationalist Socialist party and a Tory party that's further right than Thatcher with no opposition.

Further right? Seriously? May's speech read like a Labour manifesto, especially for business.