"No more Polish vermin"
Discussion
jsf said:
OK, I cant discuss anything with someone who isn't prepared to see evidence and then change their view if they are shown to be incorrect.
Go see a chiropractor, because your back is bound to be fooked carrying so much weight on one shoulder.
You haven't shown anything to be incorrect.Go see a chiropractor, because your back is bound to be fooked carrying so much weight on one shoulder.
The Tories gave £450k of £21.5m.
It was the Blair administration which changed Westminster thinking. The Tories abandoned Manchester, why would they care? Thatcher couldn't even place it on a map.
Trabi601 said:
jsf said:
OK, I cant discuss anything with someone who isn't prepared to see evidence and then change their view if they are shown to be incorrect.
Go see a chiropractor, because your back is bound to be fooked carrying so much weight on one shoulder.
You haven't shown anything to be incorrect.Go see a chiropractor, because your back is bound to be fooked carrying so much weight on one shoulder.
The Tories gave £450k of £21.5m.
It was the Blair administration which changed Westminster thinking. The Tories abandoned Manchester, why would they care? Thatcher couldn't even place it on a map.
The Government funds were released by Michael Heseltine on February 10th 1997.
February comes before May in the Gregorian Calendar.
jsf said:
Blair was elected PM when he won the general election on May 1st 1997.
The Government funds were released by Michael Heseltine on February 10th 1997.
February comes before May in the Gregorian Calendar.
The Government funds were released by Michael Heseltine on February 10th 1997.
February comes before May in the Gregorian Calendar.
- bangs head against wall*
We'll never agree. You're in a Tory tinted world where they bent over backwards to help. Most of Manchester knows this wasn't the case.
Trabi601 said:
jsf said:
Blair was elected PM when he won the general election on May 1st 1997.
The Government funds were released by Michael Heseltine on February 10th 1997.
February comes before May in the Gregorian Calendar.
The Government funds were released by Michael Heseltine on February 10th 1997.
February comes before May in the Gregorian Calendar.
- bangs head against wall*
We'll never agree. You're in a Tory tinted world where they bent over backwards to help. Most of Manchester knows this wasn't the case.
Tory tinted world? really? You need to go see where I grew up, 2 streets from Howard out of Take That.
I went to the same 6th form as Yosser Hughes, Carolyn Ahern (RIP) and Mani, amongst many other notable Mancs.
jsf said:
It was the government funds, its in the link above direct from Hansard. You do know what Hansard is?
Tory tinted world? really? You need to go see where I grew up, 2 streets from Howard out of Take That.
I went to the same 6th form as Yosser Hughes, Carolyn Ahern (RIP) and Mani, amongst many other notable Mancs.
Yes, I took my £450k vs £21.5m from Hansard, too.Tory tinted world? really? You need to go see where I grew up, 2 streets from Howard out of Take That.
I went to the same 6th form as Yosser Hughes, Carolyn Ahern (RIP) and Mani, amongst many other notable Mancs.
Doesn't matter where you grew up (I grew up in the badlands of Clayton / Droylsden) - you seem to be very Tory biased now. Forgotten your roots and how they screwed the city, maybe?
Trabi601 said:
jsf said:
It was the government funds, its in the link above direct from Hansard. You do know what Hansard is?
Tory tinted world? really? You need to go see where I grew up, 2 streets from Howard out of Take That.
I went to the same 6th form as Yosser Hughes, Carolyn Ahern (RIP) and Mani, amongst many other notable Mancs.
Yes, I took my £450k vs £21.5m from Hansard, too.Tory tinted world? really? You need to go see where I grew up, 2 streets from Howard out of Take That.
I went to the same 6th form as Yosser Hughes, Carolyn Ahern (RIP) and Mani, amongst many other notable Mancs.
Doesn't matter where you grew up (I grew up in the badlands of Clayton / Droylsden) - you seem to be very Tory biased now. Forgotten your roots and how they screwed the city, maybe?
I grew up in Openshaw and went to school in Openshaw, Ardwick Green and Rusholm. Most of my Family are still in Manchester, you never forget those roots.
Seriously, read the link I posted where it shows the government release of the £43 million by Heseltine. If you cant see that then I give up.
berlintaxi said:
jsf said:
Droylsden were pussies, ponsing around at the Concorde Suit or Cherries. I grew up in Openshaw and went to school in Openshaw, Ardwick Green and Rusholm.
Most of my Family are still in Manchester, you never forget those roots.
But you do forget how to spell it. I grew up in Openshaw and went to school in Openshaw, Ardwick Green and Rusholm. Most of my Family are still in Manchester, you never forget those roots.
2.5pi said:
berlintaxi said:
jsf said:
Droylsden were pussies, ponsing around at the Concorde Suit or Cherries. I grew up in Openshaw and went to school in Openshaw, Ardwick Green and Rusholm.
Most of my Family are still in Manchester, you never forget those roots.
But you do forget how to spell it. I grew up in Openshaw and went to school in Openshaw, Ardwick Green and Rusholm. Most of my Family are still in Manchester, you never forget those roots.
Alpinestars said:
I think you may well have captured the feelings of white, working class Britains. And I understand some of the concerns, but you leave a lot of questions to be answered.
What's your ideal immigrant?
Should their role really only be to benefit Britain and exclusively, real British people? Parasitic relationship for one demographic? Or should it be symbiotic for the benefit of all?
Who are these real British people? Don't they include anyone who's not white, working class? Why not?
Why don't you believe the rise in xenophobia? If there isn't a rise, is the current level of xenophobia ok?! Or don't you believe it exists period?
Sorry for the late response. The post of mine that you responded to was made late at night following a pub visit, and I forgot I'd made it until now.What's your ideal immigrant?
Should their role really only be to benefit Britain and exclusively, real British people? Parasitic relationship for one demographic? Or should it be symbiotic for the benefit of all?
Who are these real British people? Don't they include anyone who's not white, working class? Why not?
Why don't you believe the rise in xenophobia? If there isn't a rise, is the current level of xenophobia ok?! Or don't you believe it exists period?
Your points are interesting and deserve addressing (it's curious how the standard of debate on this thread is so much higher than it is on other threads, where I've said similar things and had replies that come straight from the schoolyard if not the loony bin, but I suppose they've mainly been on SP&L, and we all know how that's gone down the plughole over the years). I don't have time to do that now, but I'll get back to you soon. In the meantime I'm making this mostly pointless post.
vonuber said:
Sad yes, probability of it being a 'hate crime', pure supposition, and unlikely, if you actually read it. Although the whole article is written around dredging up that very issue. But then it is the Guardian so what do you expect!Mr GrimNasty said:
vonuber said:
Sad yes, probability of it being a 'hate crime', pure supposition, and unlikely, if you actually read it. Although the whole article is written around dredging up that very issue. But then it is the Guardian so what do you expect!Police believe they were verbally assaulted before the attack by up to 20 boys & girls.
Rawwr said:
Liokault said:
Maybe the sort of people who made up the 90% of workers before they were displaced by the polish.
They weren't displaced. We can't fill our production lines with those good ol' English workers because they don't want to do it. These jobs are all available to the English but applications are few and far between. If we didn't employ hundreds of Polish workers, our output would be on the floor.rscott said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
vonuber said:
Sad yes, probability of it being a 'hate crime', pure supposition, and unlikely, if you actually read it. Although the whole article is written around dredging up that very issue. But then it is the Guardian so what do you expect!Police believe they were verbally assaulted before the attack by up to 20 boys & girls.
Foliage said:
Rawwr said:
Liokault said:
Maybe the sort of people who made up the 90% of workers before they were displaced by the polish.
They weren't displaced. We can't fill our production lines with those good ol' English workers because they don't want to do it. These jobs are all available to the English but applications are few and far between. If we didn't employ hundreds of Polish workers, our output would be on the floor.I work in factories. We don't pay our UK native staff any more than the Polish ones. However it's the Polish ones who turn up reliably every day and do the work. We don't make unreasonable demands of anyone, turn up, work, go home, turn up the next day. Not rocket science but there are more than a few UK national unemployables who find this whole "daily work" thing a bit of a chore. If we left it up to them we wouldn't be making very much.
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