"No more Polish vermin"
Discussion
s3fella said:
Otherwise why target schools?
A lot of the xenophobic anti-immigrant types feel foreigners are taking up school spaces that they dont deserve and should be given to their British children, or that their children are being held back in education because some of their classmates dont have English as a first language, despite it more than likely being a lack in their own parenting skills. I have seen these kind of comments quite a lot in the last few years so I am not surprised some of those types might target schools.vonuber said:
That's not the migrants fault, that's the british employer deliberately choosing to do that to increase their own profit, or others not willing to pay the true cost. If these people actually gave a s
t about the uk they wouldn't do it and pay a decent wage.
Actually while exploitation by the indiginous is common theres often not a "british employer" in sight, beyond perhaps a homeowner who didnt really think about who they were employing beyond the price submitted.t about the uk they wouldn't do it and pay a decent wage.hairyben said:
Actually while exploitation by the indiginous is common theres often not a "british employer" in sight, beyond perhaps a homeowner who didnt really think about who they were employing beyond the price submitted.
Hence my point about those employing them.We either accept a higher cost of things, and thus less spare money, or we accept it as it is.
I suspect wages for most have been kept artificially low. I mentioned earlier i earnt more in a shop as a 16 yr old 20 years ago than you do now.
With UKIP and other right wing sentiment being legitimised in the press and media, this is hardly shocking. The right-wingers are coming out of the woodworks, they're being braver and bolder. I saw an unruly bunch with placards, swearing and shouting outside a mosque after Friday prayers-- targeting normal folk after their prayers. When has it been okay to abuse people and their beliefs openly? To chant racist slogans? I found it shocking that the police just stood and watched. It's become acceptable to be outrageous and provocative.
This kind of behaviour will continue. The Tories are largely to blame for aligning with these scum in the Leave campaign. It's distasteful to say the least. Sometimes it feels like we've gone back 40 years.
It's also odd to see many areas of Britain where there is barely a 'coloured' person in sight, voting against immigration. I think they're totally out of touch with the modern world and are suffering from a sense of entitlement which never happened. This is a phenomena in the West right now: a typical British or American grows up believing they're entitled to a good income, a good house, a good car and regular holidays, simply because they're British - not because of hard work, innovation, entrepreneurship, exploring or being brave. They thought it would be an easy life handed to them simply by birth right. Then they grow up and end up in a council estate, struggling to pay their bills and provide for their children. Reality sets in. They become disillusioned, disenfranchised. Somebody has to be blamed. The resentment is taken out on immigrants. Somebody has to be blamed when the system isn't working! Why is that immigrant driving a new car?! Why does he get a bigger house than me?!
This kind of behaviour will continue. The Tories are largely to blame for aligning with these scum in the Leave campaign. It's distasteful to say the least. Sometimes it feels like we've gone back 40 years.
It's also odd to see many areas of Britain where there is barely a 'coloured' person in sight, voting against immigration. I think they're totally out of touch with the modern world and are suffering from a sense of entitlement which never happened. This is a phenomena in the West right now: a typical British or American grows up believing they're entitled to a good income, a good house, a good car and regular holidays, simply because they're British - not because of hard work, innovation, entrepreneurship, exploring or being brave. They thought it would be an easy life handed to them simply by birth right. Then they grow up and end up in a council estate, struggling to pay their bills and provide for their children. Reality sets in. They become disillusioned, disenfranchised. Somebody has to be blamed. The resentment is taken out on immigrants. Somebody has to be blamed when the system isn't working! Why is that immigrant driving a new car?! Why does he get a bigger house than me?!
Edited by silent ninja on Sunday 26th June 14:07
hairyben said:
vonuber said:
Of course they do. Any employer is affected by it.
I'm always stopping on my bike taking photos etc of site infringements and notifying the council or hse (it's one of my responsibilities as a chartered engineer).
It's amazimg how quickly people find a hard hat or start doing things properly when you do that. People know what they should be doing they are just too lazy. Ignoring it is worse.
Employer? These blokes are all £40/day cash in hand mate. And if they dont like anything theres a load more outside wickes waiting for their place.I'm always stopping on my bike taking photos etc of site infringements and notifying the council or hse (it's one of my responsibilities as a chartered engineer).
It's amazimg how quickly people find a hard hat or start doing things properly when you do that. People know what they should be doing they are just too lazy. Ignoring it is worse.
My point is that your rules are being completely undermined becasue of willingness to do any work- and its not only building. Minimum wage too much for a cleaning firm? Easy, give your zero hours workers a 2 hour @ min wage target for a job. If it takes them 3 or 4 tough s
t. If they dont like it someone else will take it.279 said:
I think its got more to do with the wage depression for low-medium skilled that's the issue, rather than people directly being replaced by immigrants.
Migrants are able to come over here, arrange a house/flat/bed share with like-minded individuals to keep living costs to a minimum, get any job paying the minimum wage job and still manage to clear TWICE what the average earnings were back in Poland. Lots of guys I speak to do this and treat it as a working holiday, sometimes funneling the money back to eastern Europe for house purchases/renovation.
A UK born native with a similar skill set are likely to have more commitments and aren't able/willing to reasonably compete with the low wages that an economic EU migrate would be very happy to work for, and hence 'They took our jobs!"
They could move to eastern Europe as a working holiday I suppose, but with average wages under £600, who the fk would want to?
Yes, we have over 10 adult immigrants sharing a 3 bedroom house 3 doors away, they also have 8 cars between them taking up all the parking, Migrants are able to come over here, arrange a house/flat/bed share with like-minded individuals to keep living costs to a minimum, get any job paying the minimum wage job and still manage to clear TWICE what the average earnings were back in Poland. Lots of guys I speak to do this and treat it as a working holiday, sometimes funneling the money back to eastern Europe for house purchases/renovation.
A UK born native with a similar skill set are likely to have more commitments and aren't able/willing to reasonably compete with the low wages that an economic EU migrate would be very happy to work for, and hence 'They took our jobs!"
They could move to eastern Europe as a working holiday I suppose, but with average wages under £600, who the f
k would want to?The rent they pay must be peanuts compared to what a British couple would pay for rent/mortgage for the same property.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413809/Th...
They were mentioning this town yesterday in the news as one of the highest percentage of Leave votes in the country.
They were mentioning this town yesterday in the news as one of the highest percentage of Leave votes in the country.
silent ninja said:
With UKIP and other right wing sentiment being legitimised in the press and media, this is hardly shocking. The right-wingers are coming out of the woodworks, they're being braver and bolder. I saw an unruly bunch with placards, swearing and shouting outside a mosque after Friday prayers-- targeting normal folk after their prayers. When has it been okay to abuse people and their beliefs openly? To chant racist slogans? I found it shocking that the police just stood and watched. It's become acceptable to be outrageous and provocative.
This kind of behaviour will continue. The Tories are largely to blame for aligning with these scum in the Leave campaign. It's distasteful to say the least. Sometimes it feels like we've gone back 40 years.
It's also odd to see many areas of Britain where there is barely a 'coloured' person in sight, voting against immigration. I think they're totally out of touch with the modern world and are suffering from a sense of entitlement which never happened. This is a phenomena in the West right now: a typical British or American grows up believing they're entitled to a good income, a good house, a good car and regular holidays, simply because they're British - not because of hard work, innovation, entrepreneurship, exploring or being brave. They thought it would be an easy life handed to them simply by birth right. Then they grow up and end up in a council estate, struggling to pay their bills and provide for their children. Reality sets in. They become disillusioned, disenfranchised. Somebody has to be blamed. The resentment is taken out on immigrants. Somebody has to be blamed when the system isn't working! Why is that immigrant driving a new car?! Why does he get a bigger house than me?!
Nice post. This kind of behaviour will continue. The Tories are largely to blame for aligning with these scum in the Leave campaign. It's distasteful to say the least. Sometimes it feels like we've gone back 40 years.
It's also odd to see many areas of Britain where there is barely a 'coloured' person in sight, voting against immigration. I think they're totally out of touch with the modern world and are suffering from a sense of entitlement which never happened. This is a phenomena in the West right now: a typical British or American grows up believing they're entitled to a good income, a good house, a good car and regular holidays, simply because they're British - not because of hard work, innovation, entrepreneurship, exploring or being brave. They thought it would be an easy life handed to them simply by birth right. Then they grow up and end up in a council estate, struggling to pay their bills and provide for their children. Reality sets in. They become disillusioned, disenfranchised. Somebody has to be blamed. The resentment is taken out on immigrants. Somebody has to be blamed when the system isn't working! Why is that immigrant driving a new car?! Why does he get a bigger house than me?!
Edited by silent ninja on Sunday 26th June 14:07
Jonesy23 said:
Has anyone actually been identified as being behind these notes?
If not then you have no idea who printed them or why. Lots of people have agendas and negative propaganda from a pro-remain is just as possible as some racist local. After all they did go to the effort of a Polish translation which your average BNPer wouldn't bother with...
I thought the same seeing the way some Remain voters have thrown their toys out of the pram. But also it wouldn't surprise me to hear that it was some pillock who feels they can air their hate due to the referendum result.If not then you have no idea who printed them or why. Lots of people have agendas and negative propaganda from a pro-remain is just as possible as some racist local. After all they did go to the effort of a Polish translation which your average BNPer wouldn't bother with...
Mrr T said:
But are they EU immigrants? Why would an EU immigrant do that when they can apply for any legal job.
Generally very poor english, low skilled/intelligence probably still more $$ than they can earn back home. And like said living conditions - I can take you to places whre they live in sheds and garages drinking £2/litre chemical laden gut rot moonshine - shanty towns in essense - I dont condone the spite behind the article but i can see the fear that drives it. A lot of the people who cant relate probably have nice office jobs and this just hasnt affected their bubble. Yet.silent ninja said:
This is a phenomena in the West right now: a typical British or American grows up believing they're entitled to a good income, a good house, a good car and regular holidays, simply because they're British - not because of hard work, innovation, entrepreneurship, exploring or being brave. They thought it would be an easy life handed to them simply by birth right. Then they grow up and end up in a council estate, struggling to pay their bills and provide for their children. Reality sets in. They become disillusioned, disenfranchised.
You have a point with what you wrote above and the situation hasn't been helped by an open door policy on EU immigration. Edited by silent ninja on Sunday 26th June 14:07
I truly believe 99% of British people aren't racist and the label Racist is so easily branded about by people who can't win the argument any other way.
LP
hairyben said:
Generally very poor english, low skilled/intelligence probably still more $$ than they can earn back home. And like said living conditions - I can take you to places whre they live in sheds and garages drinking £2/litre chemical laden gut rot moonshine - shanty towns in essense - I dont condone the spite behind the article but i can see the fear that drives it. A lot of the people who cant relate probably have nice office jobs and this just hasnt affected their bubble. Yet.
Unlike you I know a lot of EU immigrants and none of them are like that.silent ninja said:
With UKIP and other right wing sentiment being legitimised in the press and media, this is hardly shocking. The right-wingers are coming out of the woodworks, they're being braver and bolder. I saw an unruly bunch with placards, swearing and shouting outside a mosque after Friday prayers-- targeting normal folk after their prayers. When has it been okay to abuse people and their beliefs openly? To chant racist slogans? I found it shocking that the police just stood and watched. It's become acceptable to be outrageous and provocative.
This kind of behaviour will continue. The Tories are largely to blame for aligning with these scum in the Leave campaign. It's distasteful to say the least. Sometimes it feels like we've gone back 40 years.
It's also odd to see many areas of Britain where there is barely a 'coloured' person in sight, voting against immigration. I think they're totally out of touch with the modern world and are suffering from a sense of entitlement which never happened. This is a phenomena in the West right now: a typical British or American grows up believing they're entitled to a good income, a good house, a good car and regular holidays, simply because they're British - not because of hard work, innovation, entrepreneurship, exploring or being brave. They thought it would be an easy life handed to them simply by birth right. Then they grow up and end up in a council estate, struggling to pay their bills and provide for their children. Reality sets in. They become disillusioned, disenfranchised. Somebody has to be blamed. The resentment is taken out on immigrants. Somebody has to be blamed when the system isn't working! Why is that immigrant driving a new car?! Why does he get a bigger house than me?!
I would blame the left the uncontroled immigration the metoploltion elite totally rejecting the value of manual and semi skilled work, its come home to roost after years of the wage gap widening with spivs in banking , petty beurocrats paying themselves mulitiples of the wages the people who keep the country running are getting , If Brexit fThis kind of behaviour will continue. The Tories are largely to blame for aligning with these scum in the Leave campaign. It's distasteful to say the least. Sometimes it feels like we've gone back 40 years.
It's also odd to see many areas of Britain where there is barely a 'coloured' person in sight, voting against immigration. I think they're totally out of touch with the modern world and are suffering from a sense of entitlement which never happened. This is a phenomena in the West right now: a typical British or American grows up believing they're entitled to a good income, a good house, a good car and regular holidays, simply because they're British - not because of hard work, innovation, entrepreneurship, exploring or being brave. They thought it would be an easy life handed to them simply by birth right. Then they grow up and end up in a council estate, struggling to pay their bills and provide for their children. Reality sets in. They become disillusioned, disenfranchised. Somebody has to be blamed. The resentment is taken out on immigrants. Somebody has to be blamed when the system isn't working! Why is that immigrant driving a new car?! Why does he get a bigger house than me?!
Edited by silent ninja on Sunday 26th June 14:07
ks finacial services and we all have to live on less but we become a little less top heavy then good , the way it was going most of the population just had to suck it up , Oh and I think you are mixing up a sense of intilement with the desire to work hard for what you aspire to.....
which applies to the bloke who emptys the bins as much as the guy who builds up a business from nothing....
Meridius said:
A lot of the xenophobic anti-immigrant types feel foreigners are taking up school spaces that they dont deserve and should be given to their British children, or that their children are being held back in education because some of their classmates dont have English as a first language, despite it more than likely being a lack in their own parenting skills. I have seen these kind of comments quite a lot in the last few years so I am not surprised some of those types might target schools.
Wow, where is this magic money tree, are you for real?Do you have kids?
KrissKross said:
Mrr T said:
Unlike you I know a lot of EU immigrants and none of them are like that.
That's nice, so they are all perfect?One thing this referendum has highlighted - the number of people who think every statement has to either be 100% true or false. The refusal to accept that it could apply to a subset of any given group.
Jesus, reading this thread is so very depressing. Aren't you lot meant to be the intelligent ones?
Nobody but nobody, (except the media) are saying all Eastern Europeans are good or bad. You're all been hoodwinked and polarised by the vested interests.
Things like this have been happening forever. It doesn't make it right and we should stamp it out wherever, however, it's not new ffs. Have you wondered why when a kid dies in a sledging accident another 5 die that week sledging? The meeja are lazy mofos who just pander to the news you/we demand - they love to generate a moral panic. It ain't right and it ain't new.
It's like this BS HSBC non-story. They were binning jobs already but it keeps flashing past me on the news as something directly in correlation to this week. Do yourselves a favour and stop falling for it. HSBC ain't gonna announce sod all about jobs going to Paris whilst it looks like Frexit might be next. The BBC are whipping this up as much as anyone else.
I have many friends of Eastern Europe descent who don't fit the stereotype given by many. But, this article shows how the one size fits all policy is causing human trafficking and exploitation of like on like.........
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/11/ga...
This whole debate is being steered by an absolute minority on the extremes of both sides of the argument, I despair, I really do.
The standard of debate on here is extremely poor.
Nobody but nobody, (except the media) are saying all Eastern Europeans are good or bad. You're all been hoodwinked and polarised by the vested interests.
Things like this have been happening forever. It doesn't make it right and we should stamp it out wherever, however, it's not new ffs. Have you wondered why when a kid dies in a sledging accident another 5 die that week sledging? The meeja are lazy mofos who just pander to the news you/we demand - they love to generate a moral panic. It ain't right and it ain't new.
It's like this BS HSBC non-story. They were binning jobs already but it keeps flashing past me on the news as something directly in correlation to this week. Do yourselves a favour and stop falling for it. HSBC ain't gonna announce sod all about jobs going to Paris whilst it looks like Frexit might be next. The BBC are whipping this up as much as anyone else.
I have many friends of Eastern Europe descent who don't fit the stereotype given by many. But, this article shows how the one size fits all policy is causing human trafficking and exploitation of like on like.........
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/11/ga...
This whole debate is being steered by an absolute minority on the extremes of both sides of the argument, I despair, I really do.
The standard of debate on here is extremely poor.
MrNoisy said:
Jesus, reading this thread is so very depressing. Aren't you lot meant to be the intelligent ones?
Nobody but nobody, (except the media) are saying all Eastern Europeans are good or bad. You're all been hoodwinked and polarised by the vested interests.
Things like this have been happening forever. It doesn't make it right and we should stamp it out wherever, however, it's not new ffs. Have you wondered why when a kid dies in a sledging accident another 5 die that week sledging? The meeja are lazy mofos who just pander to the news you/we demand - they love to generate a moral panic. It ain't right and it ain't new.
It's like this BS HSBC non-story. They were binning jobs already but it keeps flashing past me on the news as something directly in correlation to this week. Do yourselves a favour and stop falling for it. HSBC ain't gonna announce sod all about jobs going to Paris whilst it looks like Frexit might be next. The BBC are whipping this up as much as anyone else.
I have many friends of Eastern Europe descent who don't fit the stereotype given by many. But, this article shows how the one size fits all policy is causing human trafficking and exploitation of like on like.........
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/11/ga...
This whole debate is being steered by an absolute minority on the extremes of both sides of the argument, I despair, I really do.
The standard of debate on here is extremely poor.
You don't help your argument one bit by adding links to one of the biggest sNobody but nobody, (except the media) are saying all Eastern Europeans are good or bad. You're all been hoodwinked and polarised by the vested interests.
Things like this have been happening forever. It doesn't make it right and we should stamp it out wherever, however, it's not new ffs. Have you wondered why when a kid dies in a sledging accident another 5 die that week sledging? The meeja are lazy mofos who just pander to the news you/we demand - they love to generate a moral panic. It ain't right and it ain't new.
It's like this BS HSBC non-story. They were binning jobs already but it keeps flashing past me on the news as something directly in correlation to this week. Do yourselves a favour and stop falling for it. HSBC ain't gonna announce sod all about jobs going to Paris whilst it looks like Frexit might be next. The BBC are whipping this up as much as anyone else.
I have many friends of Eastern Europe descent who don't fit the stereotype given by many. But, this article shows how the one size fits all policy is causing human trafficking and exploitation of like on like.........
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/11/ga...
This whole debate is being steered by an absolute minority on the extremes of both sides of the argument, I despair, I really do.
The standard of debate on here is extremely poor.
t stirring papers ever.... MrNoisy said:
Jesus, reading this thread is so very depressing. Aren't you lot meant to be the intelligent ones?
Nobody but nobody, (except the media) are saying all Eastern Europeans are good or bad. You're all been hoodwinked and polarised by the vested interests.
Things like this have been happening forever. It doesn't make it right and we should stamp it out wherever, however, it's not new ffs. Have you wondered why when a kid dies in a sledging accident another 5 die that week sledging? The meeja are lazy mofos who just pander to the news you/we demand - they love to generate a moral panic. It ain't right and it ain't new.
It's like this BS HSBC non-story. They were binning jobs already but it keeps flashing past me on the news as something directly in correlation to this week. Do yourselves a favour and stop falling for it. HSBC ain't gonna announce sod all about jobs going to Paris whilst it looks like Frexit might be next. The BBC are whipping this up as much as anyone else.
I have many friends of Eastern Europe descent who don't fit the stereotype given by many. But, this article shows how the one size fits all policy is causing human trafficking and exploitation of like on like.........
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/11/ga...
This whole debate is being steered by an absolute minority on the extremes of both sides of the argument, I despair, I really do.
The standard of debate on here is extremely poor.
You don't help your argument one bit by adding links to one of the biggest sNobody but nobody, (except the media) are saying all Eastern Europeans are good or bad. You're all been hoodwinked and polarised by the vested interests.
Things like this have been happening forever. It doesn't make it right and we should stamp it out wherever, however, it's not new ffs. Have you wondered why when a kid dies in a sledging accident another 5 die that week sledging? The meeja are lazy mofos who just pander to the news you/we demand - they love to generate a moral panic. It ain't right and it ain't new.
It's like this BS HSBC non-story. They were binning jobs already but it keeps flashing past me on the news as something directly in correlation to this week. Do yourselves a favour and stop falling for it. HSBC ain't gonna announce sod all about jobs going to Paris whilst it looks like Frexit might be next. The BBC are whipping this up as much as anyone else.
I have many friends of Eastern Europe descent who don't fit the stereotype given by many. But, this article shows how the one size fits all policy is causing human trafficking and exploitation of like on like.........
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/11/ga...
This whole debate is being steered by an absolute minority on the extremes of both sides of the argument, I despair, I really do.
The standard of debate on here is extremely poor.
t stirring papers ever.... Edited by powerstroke on Sunday 26th June 16:28
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