"No more Polish vermin"

[don'tbesilly]

///ajd said:

don'tbesilly said:

I didn't consider the migrants already living here when I voted to leave the EU.

I know. That's your choice, not mine. Don't blame me if you get judged as a result.

Take responsibility for your actions - they have wide ranging implications.

As you like to imply your decision was well researched you can't really claim you didn't realise what may happen.

No one will be deported,I knew it when I voted to leave the EU, and I know it now.

Judge me all you like, do you really think I give any amount of fu*ks what you think!

You just like to sh*t stir, it's what you do, it's what gets you up in the morning, it's what you live for,it's what makes you such a sad,twisted,odious and divisive individual.

The UK voted to leave the EU 6/7 months ago,no doubt you'll go to your grave as bitter as you are now, more fool you.

[///ajd]

Deptford Draylons said:

You really are a special tool. Especially so since we now know its your beloved EU that's stalling on settling the issue and keeping as a card to play in talks. Not exactly nice of the EU now, is it ? Playing games with the people they so claim to be for, just like you are doing here for winding people up and point scoring. Your EU obsession has turned you into a sad and bitter person, more so than the caricature of the people you turn up here to hate and race taint night after night.

I'm still quite positive about the UK remaining a tolerant and open minded country. I just think this is a blip.

The sad and bitter people are all those blaming immigrants for their own problems.

[iwantagta]

///ajd said:

768 said:

Yeah... because there couldn't possibly have been any reason to vote leave more important than the uncertainty remain voters might stir up for EU migrants.

I think you are proving the point - your leave vote was about much more important benefits than letting some foreigners stay in the country.

You didn't care much for their rights, much more important brexit benefits to secure - including for some curtailing more of them coming in.

Don't pretend you give a toss if some EU migrants are forced to leave - you clearly don't.

Why do you hate African and Asian people so much? Why do you only want predominantly white Europeans to have free and full access? Because you are a racist, thats why.

See - I can make extrapolate out a position to make stupid conclusions too!

Like most, but admittedly not all, leave voters I want already resident EU migrants to retain the right to stay. That has pretty much already been announced. It is unfortunate that this is still up for debate (although in reality I dont think it is - i think its pretty clear that existing people will be able to stay).

To state that someone doesnt "give a toss" just isnt accurate. The poster hadn't voted to kick someone out, they voted to leave the EU. It was never a stated part of the vote leave campaign to kick out existing people.

For info I voted leave as I could see an unhappy marriage - we didnt enter the Euro, we don't want a federal europe, we don't want further integration, we keep using our veto. Many other countries do want closer ties - lets leave them to it. Sometimes a break-up can be best for both parties.

[Deptford Draylons]

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

You really are a special tool. Especially so since we now know its your beloved EU that's stalling on settling the issue and keeping as a card to play in talks. Not exactly nice of the EU now, is it ? Playing games with the people they so claim to be for, just like you are doing here for winding people up and point scoring. Your EU obsession has turned you into a sad and bitter person, more so than the caricature of the people you turn up here to hate and race taint night after night.

I'm still quite positive about the UK remaining a tolerant and open minded country. I just think this is a blip.

The sad and bitter people are all those blaming immigrants for their own problems.

Typically, you ignore the point on the EU and gloss over it, but then that does seem your tactic of choice.
Both the EU and yourself are now the ones playing games with the issue for your own reasons and prolonging the uncertainty for the people you pretend to give a damn about. You are what you complain about.

No one campaigned in the referendum period on the mass deportation of EU citizens. It was an issue settled by all before the campaign started, even your voodoo doll figure, Farage, settled it and took off the table. The only time I even recall it becoming an issue was when the leader of the Vote Remain camp, Will Straw, talked about " sending people home " in the hope he could use the image of mass deportations to turns votes his way. That slimy prick shot himself and was one of the most joyful parts of staying up all night for the result to watch the smug smile wiped from his face.

[///ajd]

Deptford Draylons said:

one of the most joyful parts of staying up all night for the result to watch the smug smile wiped from his face.

You appear motivated by seeing others in misery.

Isn't that, er, sad and bitter?

Just blaming the EU for our current predicament is a bit silly, as it was before the vote.

[davepoth]

///ajd said:

You appear motivated by seeing others in misery.

No, that's you - you've spent the last 6 months fervently willing the economy to crash so you can say "I told you so".

[Deptford Draylons]

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

one of the most joyful parts of staying up all night for the result to watch the smug smile wiped from his face.

You appear motivated by seeing others in misery.

Isn't that, er, sad and bitter?

Just blaming the EU for our current predicament is a bit silly, as it was before the vote.

Go on, have another go at answering the point on settling the issue and why its the EU themselves now wishing to use its own citizens as a card in a game. I thought you would be angry as such a deed, given how much you pretend to care.

So watching the man who tried to pretend he was fighting for EU citizens rights while playing political football with them, having his smug smile removed on TV, is now me motivated by others in misery ? I am guilty if you mean I don't like seeing two faced people playing games with the issues they pretend to care about and not winning. He and you seem quite alike there.
Have a go at answering the point on the issues I raised on both the EU now playing games and it being Straw who tried to play games with the issue when even Ukip said it was a settled issue.

There, two clear things for you to comment on. Are you able too , or only playing your distraction game ?

[///ajd]

Deptford Draylons said:

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

one of the most joyful parts of staying up all night for the result to watch the smug smile wiped from his face.

You appear motivated by seeing others in misery.

Isn't that, er, sad and bitter?

Just blaming the EU for our current predicament is a bit silly, as it was before the vote.

Go on, have another go at answering the point on settling the issue and why its the EU themselves now wishing to use its own citizens as a card in a game. I thought you would be angry as such a deed, given how much you pretend to care.

So watching the man who tried to pretend he was fighting for EU citizens rights while playing political football with them, having his smug smile removed on TV, is now me motivated by others in misery ? I am guilty if you mean I don't like seeing two faced people playing games with the issues they pretend to care about and not winning. He and you seem quite alike there.
Have a go at answering the point on the issues I raised on both the EU now playing games and it being Straw who tried to play games with the issue when even Ukip said it was a settled issue.

There, two clear things for you to comment on. Are you able too , or only playing your distraction game ?

Hi smile was removed as he realised what it meant - including for FMOL and the rights of EU migrants in the UK - as we are now seeing.

Stop blaming the EU for the consequences of your vote!

YOUR vote created the situation EU migrants in the UK find themselves in.

Why don't you take responsibility and instead deflect and blame Jack Straw?

UKIP said it was a settled issue? So what? They were lying and wrong. Its not settled is it? This uncertain mess was totally predictable as it was obvious the promised fantasy outcome would never to simple or even feasible to agree with the EU. Yet you voted for it anyway in full knowledge of the outcome as you did so much research you knew with certainty what the outcome would be (as leavers are 100% right about everything) and here we are.

[B'stard Child]

This thread is getting interesting I see we are back to racist slurs and xenophobic accusations

I had 273 reasons to leave - I could have had 1473 reasons but I just used one for reason to leave number 28

1200 Business leaders backed Remain - Guardian Link

Before the referendum I did a little bit of research on the 1200 who recommended that I vote to remain

It's from memory because I didn't keep the data but their average net worth was in excess of 5 million GBP

A considerable number were not actually UK born (fully expect ///whathisface to call me out as xenophobic for that one but it's relevant in that many weren't entitled to vote in the referendum)

So 1200 Business Leaders told me "Smaller businesses and employers would be particularly vulnerable to any economic shock as a result of a leave vote"

Would they be affected personally? - kinda doubted that would be the case.

I didn't believe the "Economic Armageddon" argument but clearly those 1200 business leaders did and their concerns were much like slashers new found concerns for the poor or the immigrants already here.

So why ignore such a weight of opinion - because simply they clearly had prospered in the environment with the UK in the EU - unlike the people at the bottom of the food chain who had seen wages depressed and living stds fall.

To borrow some lyrics

LEONARD COHEN "Everybody Knows"

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Boat for me was the EU
Captain was Cameron
The Country was broken

June 24th was the start of hope for me

[don'tbesilly]

Deptford Draylons said:

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

one of the most joyful parts of staying up all night for the result to watch the smug smile wiped from his face.

You appear motivated by seeing others in misery.

Isn't that, er, sad and bitter?

Just blaming the EU for our current predicament is a bit silly, as it was before the vote.

Go on, have another go at answering the point on settling the issue and why its the EU themselves now wishing to use its own citizens as a card in a game. I thought you would be angry as such a deed, given how much you pretend to care.

So watching the man who tried to pretend he was fighting for EU citizens rights while playing political football with them, having his smug smile removed on TV, is now me motivated by others in misery ? I am guilty if you mean I don't like seeing two faced people playing games with the issues they pretend to care about and not winning. He and you seem quite alike there.
Have a go at answering the point on the issues I raised on both the EU now playing games and it being Straw who tried to play games with the issue when even Ukip said it was a settled issue.

There, two clear things for you to comment on. Are you able too , or only playing your distraction game ?

///ajd can't do what you reasonably request.

To do so would mean accepting that it's the EU who will not negotiate with the UK on anything until such time as A50 is invoked.

Theresa May has indicated that she wants to agree the rights of the 3.3 million migrants living in the EU, but the EU are stopping the negotiations for the reason above.

It's nothing to do with those who voted for the UK to leave the EU, it was never a subject even discussed prior to the referendum, as most accepted that those migrants who were already resident in the UK would always be able to stay resident in the UK.

It's the latest wheeze and smokescreen from the odious and divisive man from France, and is his latest attack on those who voted leave.

Tedious,tiresome and loathsome from Toulouse.

[alfie2244]

don'tbesilly said:

///ajd can't do what you reasonably request.

To do so would mean accepting that it's the EU who will not negotiate with the UK on anything until such time as A50 is invoked.

Theresa May has indicated that she wants to agree the rights of the 3.3 million migrants living in the EU, but the EU are stopping the negotiations for the reason above.

It's nothing to do with those who voted for the UK to leave the EU, it was never a subject even discussed prior to the referendum, as most accepted that those migrants who were already resident in the UK would always be able to stay resident in the UK.

It's the latest wheeze and smokescreen from the odious and divisive man from France, and is his latest attack on those who voted leave.

Tedious,tiresome and loathsome tt from Toulouse.

[iwantagta]

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

one of the most joyful parts of staying up all night for the result to watch the smug smile wiped from his face.

You appear motivated by seeing others in misery.

Isn't that, er, sad and bitter?

Just blaming the EU for our current predicament is a bit silly, as it was before the vote.

Go on, have another go at answering the point on settling the issue and why its the EU themselves now wishing to use its own citizens as a card in a game. I thought you would be angry as such a deed, given how much you pretend to care.

So watching the man who tried to pretend he was fighting for EU citizens rights while playing political football with them, having his smug smile removed on TV, is now me motivated by others in misery ? I am guilty if you mean I don't like seeing two faced people playing games with the issues they pretend to care about and not winning. He and you seem quite alike there.
Have a go at answering the point on the issues I raised on both the EU now playing games and it being Straw who tried to play games with the issue when even Ukip said it was a settled issue.

There, two clear things for you to comment on. Are you able too , or only playing your distraction game ?

Hi smile was removed as he realised what it meant - including for FMOL and the rights of EU migrants in the UK - as we are now seeing.

Stop blaming the EU for the consequences of your vote!

YOUR vote created the situation EU migrants in the UK find themselves in.

Why don't you take responsibility and instead deflect and blame Jack Straw?

UKIP said it was a settled issue? So what? They were lying and wrong. Its not settled is it? This uncertain mess was totally predictable as it was obvious the promised fantasy outcome would never to simple or even feasible to agree with the EU. Yet you voted for it anyway in full knowledge of the outcome as you did so much research you knew with certainty what the outcome would be (as leavers are 100% right about everything) and here we are.

So the answer is - no you won't answer the question.

You seem to be arguing that the concern of "stressing out" our current migrants means that no-one should have voted to leave? The chances of us marching current residents to the border is negligble.
Or are you suggesting its not? Do you in your heart believe that we will start kicking people out?
You are behaving like its a certainty & its what was voted for. It wasnt. And before you start on about "all leavers are 100% right" thats clearly bks. As much bks as remainers are 100% right - the immediate financial apocalypse hasnt happened as predicted. It may in future. Who knows.
There is uncertainty in leaving, there was uncertainty if we stayed. Can we deal better with uncertainty having the ability to flex independent of European rules & decisions. I think so. Others may disagree.

[Deptford Draylons]

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

///ajd said:

Deptford Draylons said:

one of the most joyful parts of staying up all night for the result to watch the smug smile wiped from his face.

You appear motivated by seeing others in misery.

Isn't that, er, sad and bitter?

Just blaming the EU for our current predicament is a bit silly, as it was before the vote.

Go on, have another go at answering the point on settling the issue and why its the EU themselves now wishing to use its own citizens as a card in a game. I thought you would be angry as such a deed, given how much you pretend to care.

So watching the man who tried to pretend he was fighting for EU citizens rights while playing political football with them, having his smug smile removed on TV, is now me motivated by others in misery ? I am guilty if you mean I don't like seeing two faced people playing games with the issues they pretend to care about and not winning. He and you seem quite alike there.
Have a go at answering the point on the issues I raised on both the EU now playing games and it being Straw who tried to play games with the issue when even Ukip said it was a settled issue.

There, two clear things for you to comment on. Are you able too , or only playing your distraction game ?

Hi smile was removed as he realised what it meant - including for FMOL and the rights of EU migrants in the UK - as we are now seeing.

Stop blaming the EU for the consequences of your vote!

YOUR vote created the situation EU migrants in the UK find themselves in.

Why don't you take responsibility and instead deflect and blame Jack Straw?

UKIP said it was a settled issue? So what? They were lying and wrong. Its not settled is it? This uncertain mess was totally predictable as it was obvious the promised fantasy outcome would never to simple or even feasible to agree with the EU. Yet you voted for it anyway in full knowledge of the outcome as you did so much research you knew with certainty what the outcome would be (as leavers are 100% right about everything) and here we are.

I never denied a Leave vote would create uncertainty on anything. I don't live my life saying I will just sit here and stand still and do nothing because things may have consequences or there is some uncertainty involved. I judged it was better for the UK to be out of the EU and a small part of that is that when border controls and immigration come back to what the majority of what both leave and remain voters want , which is less immigration, this will actually reduce tensions, which I do admit exist.
I thought it wrong to have an open EU door and then for the EU to not have an option to do anything about it at anytime. The EU gave their response by telling Cameron to F off when he asked for even the smallest bribe he could go back and campaign on.
It also gave us an insight for their ability to renegotiate, something you were advocating we could do if we just delivered the EU a remain vote and then go begging after they got what they wanted.

Your idea of the new Nazis ( Ukip ) said the issue of whether EU citizens would have to leave was a non starter and not what they were campaigning for or wanted to see. In that respect the issue was settled and wasn't a campaign issue.
I took exception to the slimy Will Straw trying to then use it and the image of it to win propaganda votes. His smile was wiped from his face when all his bullst claims and scare stories failed to win.

The issue of rights to stay was taken off the table as a campaign issue and doesn't seem even possible to enforce if anyone wanted to do so anyway. It was something that could have been quickly resolved after, except its your beloved EU that's picked it up as a ball now to kick around and play with, but again, no criticism from you for that. Sorry , but the prospects for the country, 60 million Brits and myself were judged by me to be better if we are outside of the EU. The tiny risk issue of residency rights for EU citizens was never going to outweigh that when it wasn't even a campaign issue. You are kinda correct though, I got it wrong when I thought the EU might want to immediately take it off the table in the weeks after the result - to think I gave them credit for not wanting to play games with their own citizens, silly me ! How long do you think they'll keep this card in the hole for ? Let me guess, you won't answer....

[davepoth]

///ajd said:

YOUR vote created the situation EU migrants in the UK find themselves in.

No it didn't. I did not vote to "send them all back", and neither Leave.EU:

http://leave.eu/en/faqs/faqanswers

Or Vote Leave:

http://www.voteleavewatch.org.uk/eu-nationals-peti...

were campaigning on that basis. The UK government, MEPs, and MPs have all been to Europe asking for the issue of EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU to be taken off the table before negotiations begin, but the EU has refused.

It's your beloved EU that wants to use its citizens as bargaining chips.

[wc98]

///ajd said:

Did you vote to make their right to remain in the UK uncertain?

no, i voted to leave an unaccountable and corrupt political construct that no longer serves any practical purpose and is run by delusional fkwits that think they can tell the people of europe how to live their lives and run their countries.

i can assure you that if there are any moves to ask people that live and work here to leave i will be in front of you at the protests ,letter writing and mp haranguing .

[alfie2244]

wc98 said:

///ajd said:

Did you vote to make their right to remain in the UK uncertain?

no, i voted to leave an unaccountable and corrupt political construct that no longer serves any practical purpose and is run by delusional fkwits that think they can tell the people of europe how to live their lives and run their countries.

i can assure you that if there are any moves to ask people that live and work here to leave i will be in front of you at the protests ,letter writing and mp haranguing .

And I will be right up there with you.

[B'stard Child]

alfie2244 said:

wc98 said:

///ajd said:

Did you vote to make their right to remain in the UK uncertain?

no, i voted to leave an unaccountable and corrupt political construct that no longer serves any practical purpose and is run by delusional fkwits that think they can tell the people of europe how to live their lives and run their countries.

i can assure you that if there are any moves to ask people that live and work here to leave i will be in front of you at the protests ,letter writing and mp haranguing .

And I will be right up there with you.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's the only bit of negotiation I think the government needs to do - after that issue is sorted we can fk off pronto because I think we will be wasting our time.

[wc98]

davepoth said:

///ajd said:

You appear motivated by seeing others in misery.

No, that's you - you've spent the last 6 months fervently willing the economy to crash so you can say "I told you so".

i actually feel quite sorry for ajd . it is quite apparent from his posts over the last few months the situation is having a detrimental effect on his mental health . i was more optimistic than most i know of a leave vote , but even i had to admit there was a fair chance it would be stay. i would have been gutted immediately after the result but accepted the result and moved on straight away.

clinging on to any hope that somehow leave will be manipulated into really staying in all but name appears to be the only hope of a few people around the country . when we end up leaving the lot , including the single market i really hope they can hold it together for the sake of their families .it is not a pretty sight and not something i derive any pleasure from at all. at this stage i really did think everyone would have moved on and to be fair the majority have.

[wc98]

B'stard Child said:

This thread is getting interesting I see we are back to racist slurs and xenophobic accusations

I had 273 reasons to leave - I could have had 1473 reasons but I just used one for reason to leave number 28

1200 Business leaders backed Remain - Guardian Link

Before the referendum I did a little bit of research on the 1200 who recommended that I vote to remain

It's from memory because I didn't keep the data but their average net worth was in excess of 5 million GBP

A considerable number were not actually UK born (fully expect ///whathisface to call me out as xenophobic for that one but it's relevant in that many weren't entitled to vote in the referendum)

So 1200 Business Leaders told me "Smaller businesses and employers would be particularly vulnerable to any economic shock as a result of a leave vote"

Would they be affected personally? - kinda doubted that would be the case.

I didn't believe the "Economic Armageddon" argument but clearly those 1200 business leaders did and their concerns were much like slashers new found concerns for the poor or the immigrants already here.

So why ignore such a weight of opinion - because simply they clearly had prospered in the environment with the UK in the EU - unlike the people at the bottom of the food chain who had seen wages depressed and living stds fall.

To borrow some lyrics

LEONARD COHEN "Everybody Knows"

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Boat for me was the EU
Captain was Cameron
The Country was broken

June 24th was the start of hope for me

think i have enjoyed reading everyone of your posts on this topic , if you had been leading the leave team, the leave vote would have been far bigger

[B'stard Child]

davepoth said:

The UK government, MEPs, and MPs have all been to Europe asking for the issue of EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU to be taken off the table before negotiations begin, but the EU has refused.

It's your beloved EU that wants to use its citizens as bargaining chips.

Agreed - this could have been easily sorted pre negotiations but the EU chose to have that as another chip in the big game

Highlighted from you post means I can do my reason to leave number 29 "The only people who listen to MEPs are the interpreters."