"No more Polish vermin"

[battered]

Rich_W said:

You utter dumb arse!

Rich_W said:

OK, for the benefit of doubt since you and AJD are thick.

Finished?
You really don't have a clue. Resorting to abuse to further your argument, great choice. I was going to respond in kind but I'm better than that. It appears that you are not. You have no grasp of what is going on and no understanding of economics, just an ability to rant, shout and abuse those of a different view.
If you are going to take this anywhere then you'd better learn to reason and leave the anger behind. Alternatively, keep ranting and calling people "dumb arse" and I'll carry on ignoring you.

[jjlynn27]

Rich W said:

battered said:

No there isn't. It's elastic.

Jesus! If it's elastic then all that means is it VARIES. It will go UP and DOWN. It's not going upwards forever! Just because there's jobs now, what happens when the job market decreases and there's more labour than jobs?

[Mrr T]

Digga said:

Murph7355 said:

Murph7355 said:

battered said:

It doesn't matter! It's 3 tenths of sod-all. We may as well argue about the money down the back of my sofa (£1.31 last time I looked). It's not worth talking about, it's like me worrying about whether to buy normal olives at 75p a jar or the fancy ones for £1.29. Ooh, hang on though, that could add up, after all, I might go through a jar a month. Jeez.

As noted, I tend to agree.

BUT...I don't have the actual figures. If someone could show me it was 7 figure sums then maybe I'm (we're) wrong.

Don't also forget that this is on top of other benefits to getting indigenous people working.

Teach a man to fish etc...

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources...

The numbers aren't that small (potentially).

Other links exist but from more dubious sources like The Express To avoid cries of my right wing bias:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/dat...

I think, no matter what the magnitude, you can summarise a number of points:

1. Captial controls almost never work and are a sledgehammer to crack a nut
2. The very ability of immigrants to remit from the UK is in and of itself and attraction - it helps us compete, globally, for the workers and talent the economy needs
3. Attacking remittance could easily have negative, unintended consequences, even if it were desirable (and I'm not convinced it is)

It not just about capital control not working it’s about how could capital controls work in the modern world. Today you can put your credit/debit card into an ATM in any country with working banking system and extract money from your account.

Would anyone really suggest turning this off?

However, I am sure the package tour companies would love the idea.

[Digga]

Mrr T said:

It not just about capital control not working it’s about how could capital controls work in the modern world. Today you can put your credit/debit card into an ATM in any country with working banking system and extract money from your account.

And even that, as blockchain develops, will become irrelevant. So I agree, there is no stopping it and, moreover, there's no clear benefit to so doing, even if it were possible.

[Murph7355]

Digga said:

Mrr T said:

It not just about capital control not working it’s about how could capital controls work in the modern world. Today you can put your credit/debit card into an ATM in any country with working banking system and extract money from your account.

And even that, as blockchain develops, will become irrelevant. So I agree, there is no stopping it and, moreover, there's no clear benefit to so doing, even if it were possible.

In case context has been lost, I wasn't talking about capital controls. I agree they don't work.

It was more the costs in support of immigration controls.

I think

[oyster]

KimJongHealthy said:

Well... sadly with one exception: 14.6% muslims (religion) (from around 4.6% total in the UK). Which is still pretty good compared to France, where almost 70% or Belgium with 40% of inmates following Islam(religion).


There are millions of Muslim (religion), Hindu (religion), Chinese (nationality), Polish (nationality), Romanian (nationality) and other people living in Europe, and only one of those groups seems to have a constant problem with the law in almost every single country. Almost if an oppressive social system famous for women rights issues, lack of freedom of speech and imprisoning rape victims doesn't integrate too well with the western society.

It gets even worse if you consider a huge disproportion on public funding towards integration programs aimed at those minorities. Nobody has to spend millions of pounds to teach Eastern Europeans (nationality) that rioting isn't nice.

Edited by KimJongHealthy on Sunday 19th February 13:58

It's embarrassing that you are confusing these. You do know most muslims in the UK are UK citizens?

[///ajd]

Rich_W said:

///ajd said:

His last line is indeed spot on - and exactly why saying "all poles avoid VED and botch their cars" is a stupid thing an ignorant bigot might say.

I'm sure the poster didn't really mean it to come out like that

You utter dumb arse!

I said lots in the first post - and I'm going to try and hide behind this phase as an excuse!

"I'm not convinced, I can only speak from what I've seen..."

but I followed up with

"I don't ascribe that they are ALL breaking the law"
"Thinking back to the various Poles/EU Nationals I've met. (Sorry AJD cant talk for everyone)"

How is that reversing going?

[Robertj21a]

Rich_W said:

Ok so net migration to the UK from the EU is roughly up 2M (1million brits in the EU. 3M non Brits came over)

Yet current unemployment figures is around 1.6 Million. (ONS) I would imagine that unemployment figures are people that CAN work rather than those who are retired or unable to work any job.

Is my basic maths so far off to assume that by the very definition. When EU labour migration is higher than our unemployment figures. Then it's not a good scenario

Where is your base figure for UK unemployment ? - it just seems a bit of a ramble with few facts, but I may have misunderstood something.

[Rich_W]

babatunde said:

Because of course before the EU unemployment rates were 0%

It might be a bit closer to 1% (currently 5%) if we had a smaller population though

babatunde said:

Funny how our problems are always due to people "not like us"

"Racism" is like the Godwin law thing with Hitler. Go for broke call me a "Facist" or "homophobic" just for good measure.

Also funny how people like you are incapable of supporting those people that ARE like us. Any REAL reason why you don't want Brits employed?

battered said:

You really don't have a clue. Resorting to abuse to further your argument, great choice. I was going to respond in kind but I'm better than that. It appears that you are not. You have no grasp of what is going on and no understanding of economics, just an ability to rant, shout and abuse those of a different view.
If you are going to take this anywhere then you'd better learn to reason and leave the anger behind. Alternatively, keep ranting and calling people "dumb arse" and I'll carry on ignoring you.

So it's fine for you to accuse me of saying "all immigrants" when at no point have I. But if I point out that's thick. You get the hump? Wow how thin is your skin? Like Trump thin?

But you have no actual facts to counter my points? And in typical lefty way. You just "take the high ground" by not entertaining people with a differnet view to your own.

And being called thick which was the only thing aimed at you but taking offence of behalf of others is so very left wing

///ajd said:

How is that reversing going?

Given that I HAVE NOT CHANGED MY POSITION since my first post here. I feel fairly confident not to have back pedalled at all. YOU being a bit special have singularly failed to post a quote that you haven't selectively edited to justify your perceptions.

I have NEVER said "all immigrants" on this post. But keep imagining that I have to make yourself seem important

You, as has been proven on numerous threads are an incompetent poster. And you cant use quotes cause your useless. I have no more time for you.

[///ajd]

Rich_W said:

And you cant use quotes cause your useless.

Genius.

But back on topic - all these Poles you know (and I know you are being careful not to make sweeping generalisations as its just all the ones you know, not all of them).

All the Poles you know that don't repair cars properly, dodge VED and steal plastic bags.

Are you happy all the ones you know are in the UK, or would you like them to go back to their own country, or what?

[Rich_W]

Ah the old "lets step on his typo" that will let him know I am more important than the racist right winger

///ajd said:

But back on topic - all these Poles you know (and I know you are being careful not to make sweeping generalisations as its just all the ones you know, not all of them).

All the Poles you know that don't repair cars properly, dodge VED and steal plastic bags.

Are you happy all the ones you know are in the UK, or would you like them to go back to their own country, or what?

Firstly, since the EU WILL use our people in other countries as bargaining chips. They may not have a choice but to return home post Article 50 negotiations. Apparently a lot are actively considering it. I saw the Polish PM?, (might have been a foreign minister or even the Ambassador. Can't remember. It was on Skynews a month or so back) saying he'd like to get some of his country people back as the country was better than when they left

Secondly. Of the low skill ones, Well yes. That's the workforce sector in the UK that has suffered the most with increased competition for jobs driving down wages.

I have no problem with the managers or Doctors or Engineers who any of those with a set of skills that this country requires remaining. To be fair this applies to immigration from ANY country. Not just Eastern Europe.


I'm sure you'll say that's racist. I don't care.

[davepoth]

BIANCO said:

Why is it such a bad idea after we leave just asking the people already here if they want to stay to apply for citizenship or a work visa?. Just like every other country does outside the Eu?

That's not what they do. They ask people who want to come to apply for a work visa. Asking 3 million people to get a permit, citizenship or a ticket home will cause quite some chaos.

[battered]

Rich_W said:

A load of ranting

You really should learn to read before posting. I know it's clearly difficult for you, but it will help. Alternatively, carry on not bothering, and I'll just carry on pointing and laughing at you.

[BlackLabel]

A Brit threatening to spit in an Eastern European lady's face whilst shouting "fk off! fk you! fking stupid bh – it’s not your country!”.

Another example of a post Brexit hate crime or doesn't this one fit the narrative?

https://mobile.twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/...

[Mr GrimNasty]

Post Brexit vote and caused by Brexit vote are entirely different things - but of course remoaners will seize on any negativity.

Latest data/expert analysis is that 'hate crime' did not increase, awareness and reporting did.

Sorry if that is disappointing.

[Digga]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Latest data/expert analysis is that 'hate crime' did not increase, awareness and reporting did.

Very probably. People did not suddenly become racist morons; they already were.

[57 Chevy]

There was a program on TV last night about a Hotel, I think in Kensington, they were interviewing the head of housekeeping, she said that she has never had a British person apply for any of the jobs that she has advertised. How do we think this will change post Brexit, I really wonder where some companies are going to get staff from.

[speedyman]

The EU stated there would be no disussions with the uk about Brexit until we trigger Article 50. So why do some in the uk want to discuss any options before article 50 is triggered amazes me. If this issue of current migrants is top of the list to discuss after a50 is triggered then so be it, but trying to decide things before the EU start to talk to us is a waste of time.

[Robertj21a]

57 Chevy said:

There was a program on TV last night about a Hotel, I think in Kensington, they were interviewing the head of housekeeping, she said that she has never had a British person apply for any of the jobs that she has advertised. How do we think this will change post Brexit, I really wonder where some companies are going to get staff from.

Where did they come from before ?

[57 Chevy]

Robertj21a said:

Where did they come from before ?

Good question. I guess the type of person who previously filled a role like this has either bettered themselves as degree graduates have increased or they have opted out of working all together. If it's the former, even if they are currently unemployed they are probably overqualified with too high salary expectation to come back to a role like this. If it's the latter and they are serial benefits claimants they may not be motivated enough to do as good a job as someone who is prepared to move house and home in order to better their standard of living. Either way I think the hospitality industry in particular is going to have recruiting problems if there is no free movement to work between UK and the EU.

Edited by 57 Chevy on Friday 3rd March 15:21