"No more Polish vermin"
Discussion
Robertj21a said:
And yet, the country (as a whole) has relatively low unemployment rates. Perhaps, if recruiting staff becomes more difficult for some employers the more enlightened ones may finally recognise the potential for locating more operations in Middlesbrough, Grimsby, Aberdare etc.
Unfortunately it seems the destinations of choice are even lower cost hence the rise of China and India. It's a race to the bottom. The biggest offenders are the large corporations who now see any tax as something only the little guys pay.Edited by speedyman on Monday 6th March 14:22
In my last years as a teacher, I worked a lot with Polish kids (and other East Europeans) and by and large enjoyed the experience. As you'd expect with normal distribution, some of them were pretty smart kids. There was some prejudice though with some of the local pupils grumbling, especially if "foreign" kids did better in tests - "because though their English isn't perfect they listen and try hard without farting around, unlike some", as I used to say or at least think. Fish processors here would struggle a bit without their Europeans as there is a certain prejudice about "working in the fish" as being a low grade job. It's bloody hard work, a lot of pressure and skilled, if you are a filleter, and can pay well if you graft. My daughter did several stints as a packer to help pay for University, so I know a bit about what I say.
Going back a bit, when I was at school, there were a good few pupils with Polish parents -ex service people. One I knew slightly had a father who had been a Polish cavalry officer, a very impressive gentleman. It really annoys me to hear ignorant Brexiteers sporting "WE WON". Learn a bit of history and humanity, don't pander to prejudice. Also bear in mind the depressing fact that the Poles were denied a part in the Victory parade in case it offended the Soviets.
Going back a bit, when I was at school, there were a good few pupils with Polish parents -ex service people. One I knew slightly had a father who had been a Polish cavalry officer, a very impressive gentleman. It really annoys me to hear ignorant Brexiteers sporting "WE WON". Learn a bit of history and humanity, don't pander to prejudice. Also bear in mind the depressing fact that the Poles were denied a part in the Victory parade in case it offended the Soviets.
Perseverant said:
Also bear in mind the depressing fact that the Poles were denied a part in the Victory parade in case it offended the Soviets.
That was a terrible thing to do, I agree.Most of the people who voted leave that I spoke to didn't have a problem with individual immigrants - as you did, they recognised that they were in essence no different to you or I. They also recognised that there was a need for immigration, and that there was a possibility that controlled immigration might not be significantly lower than it is now.
What they had a problem with was immigration that couldn't be controlled.
davepoth said:
That was a terrible thing to do, I agree.
Most of the people who voted leave that I spoke to didn't have a problem with individual immigrants - as you did, they recognised that they were in essence no different to you or I. They also recognised that there was a need for immigration, and that there was a possibility that controlled immigration might not be significantly lower than it is now.
What they had a problem with was immigration that couldn't be controlled.
Itis clever how some have been persuaded these are totally different and isolated concepts.Most of the people who voted leave that I spoke to didn't have a problem with individual immigrants - as you did, they recognised that they were in essence no different to you or I. They also recognised that there was a need for immigration, and that there was a possibility that controlled immigration might not be significantly lower than it is now.
What they had a problem with was immigration that couldn't be controlled.
They aren't of course.
berlintaxi said:
How is it going to be sorted out sooner or later, zero hour contracts are an American invention and that is where we be guided from once we leave the EU.
because people will only put up with it for so long .soon enough all the major parties will have plans to end the current use of zero hours contracts as they stand. if they don't their increasing use is likely to lead to the likes of corbyn's labour being elected . that might focus the minds of the greedy grasping corporates that are increasingly abusing their use.they are fine for students and others that cannot or do not want to work full time. they are not appropriate for the majority that need consistent earnings to facilitate the basic necessities in life.
davepoth said:
///ajd said:
Itis clever how some have been persuaded these are totally different and isolated concepts.
They aren't of course.
Why?They aren't of course.
Robertj21a said:
And yet, the country (as a whole) has relatively low unemployment rates. Perhaps, if recruiting staff becomes more difficult for some employers the more enlightened ones may finally recognise the potential for locating more operations in Middlesbrough, Grimsby, Aberdare etc.
That's only possible if the infrastructure is in place to support it. The highest unemployment blackspot in my part of Essex is Harwich and will remain that way until the road network is improved drastically.Several manufacturing and industrial companies have considered it as a new site but all ruled it out, mainly because the main road linking it to the rest of the road network (the A120) is single carriageway all the way to Colchester. It's regularly congested due to accidents or issues at the ports so is a major disincentive to investment.
The only plan to dual it relies on Hutchinson paying for it in return for upgrading their operations Felixstowe and Harwich, something which isn't likely to happen for decades.
wc98 said:
berlintaxi said:
How is it going to be sorted out sooner or later, zero hour contracts are an American invention and that is where we be guided from once we leave the EU.
because people will only put up with it for so long .soon enough all the major parties will have plans to end the current use of zero hours contracts as they stand. if they don't their increasing use is likely to lead to the likes of corbyn's labour being elected . that might focus the minds of the greedy grasping corporates that are increasingly abusing their use.they are fine for students and others that cannot or do not want to work full time. they are not appropriate for the majority that need consistent earnings to facilitate the basic necessities in life.
wc98 said:
davepoth said:
///ajd said:
Itis clever how some have been persuaded these are totally different and isolated concepts.
They aren't of course.
Why?They aren't of course.
jjlynn27 said:
Not to speak for berlintaxi, but what's the link between zh contracts and EU? As he/she points out it's an American invention, if anything, leaving EU / ECJ / ECHR will reduce protection afforded to workers.
Indirectly. As it stands, if a company wants to worsen the terms of their employees they know that even if everyone leaves, there's a ready supply of high quality employees from eastern Europe who are willing to work on those terms. davepoth said:
wc98 said:
davepoth said:
///ajd said:
Itis clever how some have been persuaded these are totally different and isolated concepts.
They aren't of course.
Why?They aren't of course.
jjlynn27 said:
wc98 said:
berlintaxi said:
How is it going to be sorted out sooner or later, zero hour contracts are an American invention and that is where we be guided from once we leave the EU.
because people will only put up with it for so long .soon enough all the major parties will have plans to end the current use of zero hours contracts as they stand. if they don't their increasing use is likely to lead to the likes of corbyn's labour being elected . that might focus the minds of the greedy grasping corporates that are increasingly abusing their use.they are fine for students and others that cannot or do not want to work full time. they are not appropriate for the majority that need consistent earnings to facilitate the basic necessities in life.
davepoth said:
berlintaxi said:
Exactly that, the lack of the EU/ECJ/ECHR will open the floodgate to even more use of zero hour contracts in my opinion.
Who will take those contracts?jjlynn27 said:
Same people who are taking them now, people who are going to be replaced by automatization. People whose jobs are going to get off-shored with advances in technology (think all the low level admin stuff).
Nobody seems to have done a study on it (that I can find) so I can't say for certain. But there are two facts here. One, that zero hours contracts are most popular in the hospitality and care industries, and two, that the hospitality and care industries are the sectors that have the most migrants.http://theconversation.com/immigration-and-employm...
As I say, it's difficult to draw conclusions from that. But if I did want to hypothesize I might suggest that the only reason we've got so many zero hours contracts is that there's a ready supply of people who are willing to take them, and those people don't originate in the UK.
As I've said before, this isn't a negative reflection on any individual immigrant - I admire that they're willing to work that hard, that flexibly, and for such little return. But if you multiply that by several million people then it starts to have a major impact.
Robertj21a said:
And yet, the country (as a whole) has relatively low unemployment rates. Perhaps, if recruiting staff becomes more difficult for some employers the more enlightened ones may finally recognise the potential for locating more operations in Middlesbrough, Grimsby, Aberdare etc.
It's *already* difficult. I work in food manufacturing operations, all over the UK. There are very few places where there is an abundance of staff. Grimsby is the only one that springs to mind.davepoth said:
jjlynn27 said:
Same people who are taking them now, people who are going to be replaced by automatization. People whose jobs are going to get off-shored with advances in technology (think all the low level admin stuff).
Nobody seems to have done a study on it (that I can find) so I can't say for certain. But there are two facts here. One, that zero hours contracts are most popular in the hospitality and care industries, and two, that the hospitality and care industries are the sectors that have the most migrants.http://theconversation.com/immigration-and-employm...
As I say, it's difficult to draw conclusions from that. But if I did want to hypothesize I might suggest that the only reason we've got so many zero hours contracts is that there's a ready supply of people who are willing to take them, and those people don't originate in the UK.
As I've said before, this isn't a negative reflection on any individual immigrant - I admire that they're willing to work that hard, that flexibly, and for such little return. But if you multiply that by several million people then it starts to have a major impact.
dandarez said:
Mrr T said:
So explain these adverse effects on inferstructure to me. We do not have a housing shortage they are just expensive. Hospitals are full of elderly British people. Without immigrantion schools would now be closing. The evidence suggests immigrantion has a small effect on the lowest paid but an overall positive effect.
I know your mate down then pub told you different and he is always right.
I've read some sI know your mate down then pub told you different and he is always right.
t on here, but that beats all. Who told YOU that? Your mate in YOUR pub? I saw some of them where I was last evening. I was in A&E - early hours. Full of old people? It was full of vomit ie pissed up young people in the main, a (young!) couple fighting (again pissed or on coke, not the drink) and police had to be called and intervened. At 3.30 am we went to a ward, some elderly, others of all ages so not predominantly elderly. Didn't see any 'children' though, except one about 5 years old in A&E with her parents. Poor little mite was poorly but seemed more traumatised by the drunken drugged 'young' dicks. It made me livid! The loo was being cleaned (full of vomit apparently - pissed up Friday night 'young' scum!). About time they started handing invoices to the scum.
As for the rest of your rubbish, do I need to go further than 'we do not have a housing crisis, they are just expensive' FFS!
Let’s deal with the points one by one.
Housing Crisis
If there was a housing crisis people would be sleeping in the streets. The waiting lists for public housing are only long because they accept ever application no matter the merits of the case. Look at what Westminster did to their lis. Yes there are people who would like to buy a house and cannot. That’s not a crisis.
Hospitals
Despite the posts on A&E and thugs, no indication if they were UK or immigrants. The crisis in A&E is about the lack of beds in general wards. This is caused by (a figure of 20% was quoted by a spokesman for my local NHS trust) being occupied by the elderly who had no medical reason to be in hospital but did not have sufficient care at home to be released.
Schools
The level of school places has hardly changed in the last 30 years. I have posted the figures 2 minutes on google will prove it.
Wages
My comment reflected the best research which again will take to seconds on google to find.
I am sure in some peoples mind the word “retard” means a person who does some research and can apply a logical conclusions.
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