Labour self-destruction
Discussion
VolvoT5 said:
Corbyn has just lost a no confidence motion by 176 votes to 44.
Is it anything he didn't know already?The question is, does he truly believe his mandate is from the party members rather than than the PLP, in which case he's going to stay on until the grass roots tell him to bog off?
I would consider the thousands of members are more important than the 170odd weasels who pay lip service.
But we wonders if the MPs have been busy for the past several months, making sure they have been stoking up the membership to the way they would wish it to go...we wonders precious we wonders...
Either way, Corbyn should put it to the vote and then stand..and when the time presents itself..if he wins, then should red wedding the treacherous f
ks and have new candidates.
But we wonders if the MPs have been busy for the past several months, making sure they have been stoking up the membership to the way they would wish it to go...we wonders precious we wonders...
Either way, Corbyn should put it to the vote and then stand..and when the time presents itself..if he wins, then should red wedding the treacherous f
ks and have new candidates.Vaud said:
Smart man, and a very nice guy to chat to.
Don't like his politics, but very smart and I like smart people in opposition... Keeps the govt sharp.
Don't like his politics, but very smart and I like smart people in opposition... Keeps the govt sharp.
Elwood P Dowd said:
Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this world, Elwood, you must be" - she always called me Elwood - "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me.
janesmith1950 said:
VolvoT5 said:
Corbyn has just lost a no confidence motion by 176 votes to 44.
Is it anything he didn't know already?The question is, does he truly believe his mandate is from the party members rather than than the PLP, in which case he's going to stay on until the grass roots tell him to bog off?
glazbagun said:
How are MP's selected/deselected? I reckon Corbyn's plan it to just stand there being shot and stabbed and thrown under busses surviving until he can deselect all of the Blairites and take the party back to it's Socialist roots. Then he'll quit.
He was one of the most disruptive and difficult marxists on the back benches for many years. He probably genuinely believes what he's doing is in the best interests of forwarding his beliefs.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I really don't want to like him but every time I hear him interviewed he comes across as someone I'd want in my corner much more than in the other guys.
Likewise and the same with Blair TBH. I don't like either, but I'd lose an argument on what my own name is if I went up against those guys.FredClogs said:
VolvoT5 said:
The Liberals had existed for years as a centrist party before the coalition and before Blair but still didn't succeed in any major way beyond a protest vote. What has happened is UKIP has now taken over that role. I would be willing to bet that many Ukippers don't have a clue that most of their other policies are very right wing - they don't care, they just want someone anti-establishment to vote for.
UKIP weren't / aren't particularly right wing, in the economic sense. They tend to veer towards authoritarian social policies but economically they're to the left of the Tories and somewhere between them and the Liberals... Truth is in the last election they said almost anything to get the working class vote. Who knows what the leadership actually believe, but that goes for all the parties...
The centre ground of UK politics is a toxic waste ground, I suspect if UKIP continue they'll morph into a UK version of the Tea Party, I suspect the Tories will lurch further right and that Labour will continue edging leftward, why? Because reactionary ideologue politics is easier to do than good centre ground politics which demands nuance, hypocrisy and tact - skills either ridiculed or torn down by the media and modern online discourse. Sadly the quality and integrity of the people who involve themselves in politics is on a slippery slope into the sewer and it will get increasingly bleak from here on in.
Lib Dems right wing?
Labour right wing?
Greens libertarian?
You really like to portray yourself as a caricature.
don4l said:
Where, in the name of God, did you find that drivel?
Lib Dems right wing?
Labour right wing?
Greens libertarian?
You really like to portray yourself as a caricature.
Political compass dot org...Lib Dems right wing?
Labour right wing?
Greens libertarian?
You really like to portray yourself as a caricature.
It's pretty well known, take the test, see where you lie, you might surprise yourself.
Here's their breakdown of the leave and remain voters distribution on the compass.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk_eu_referendum2...
RichB said:
glazbagun said:
How are MP's selected/deselected? I reckon Corbyn's plan it to just stand there being shot and stabbed and thrown under busses surviving until he can deselect all of the Blairites and take the party back to it's Socialist roots. Then he'll quit.
He was one of the most disruptive and difficult marxists on the back benches for many years. He probably genuinely believes what he's doing is in the best interests of forwarding his beliefs.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff