Positivity - The Future

[TeamD]

Yes, I know, we have a huge raft of Brexit threads BUT...

It's monday morning, we've spent the weekend arguing with all and sundry and it's now time to get on with life and move on from the bickering, insults and recriminations.

So, with that in mind, let's put our communal heads together and start discussing what we'd like to see come out of the decision made on Thursday.

My starter for ten is the following:

All EU nationals currently working in the UK and contributing to the economy to be given permanent leave to remain. This would go some way towards countering the accusations of racism and xenophobia and would squarely put the ball in the EUs court as to how they should move forwards in a constructive manner. Tantrums will not wash, we have to all behave like adults, no matter our thoughts on the matter.

Edited by TeamD on Monday 27th June 08:55

[PositronicRay]

I wish I could claim this, it's a plan.


Right. fk this. We're ALL up st creek and we need a paddle. Now, not in three months.

Fellow Remain voters: Enough already. Yes, we're all pissed off but navel gazing ain't gonna help. Not all 17 million Leave voters can possibly be racist northern pensioners without an O level to their name. Maybe they have a point about this quitting the EU thing? Maybe not. Whatever, we are where we are and no amount a whinging is gonna change that. Allegedly we're the intelligent ones, so get your thinking caps on.

Leave voters. Well done. Good game. We hear you. Now you need to get stuck in to the aftermath and not just ps off back to Wetherspoons. (Just banter, tts!). And the first person to say they "want their country back" gets deported to fking Gibraltar. OK?

Politicians.

David. fk off. Shut the door behind you. Now.

George. You may be a tt but you're our tt. Plus you know the passwords for our Junior Savers account. Get your calculator. Drop the face-like-a-slapped-ass routine. You're on.

Boris. Sorry mate. That photo of you abseiling by your scrotum over the London Olympics while waving a Union Jack can't ever be un-taken. Plus, you'll never be able to appear on Question Time again without some sturdy Glaswegian nurse asking where the fk her 350 million quid is. Not only will she have a very good point, she'll be wearing a T shirt that shows you gurning in front of that fking bus! No captains hat for you I'm afraid.

Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the st out of 'em.

Nicola. Yep. Fair cop. You probably could get us on a technicality, as could London. But we fking love shortbread. And oil. And to be honest you're probably the best politician we've got, so we need you on side. Sort your lot out and we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny) and we'll make you a Dame once we're sorted. Bring Ruth Davidson. She kicks ass.

Opposition party. We'll need one. Someone take Jeremy and John back to the British Legion Club where you found them. Take Nigel as well. Give back their sandals, buy them a pint, then go to Heathrow and collect David Milliband. fk it. Lets gets Ed Balls as well. He keeps George on his toes. I think he works on the lottery kiosk at Morrisons now?

Oh. And Mark Carney. Give him a knighthood and tell him to keep that st coming. We definitely need more of that good st!

Everyone set? Right. Hold the Easyjet. We're going to Brussels and this ain't no hen party.

‪#‎weneedaplan‬ Share!

[Smollet]

Like it.

[Pesty]

Would I be being totally stupid as usual to think that we had planned for this, we knew for years that there would be a referendum?

Surely we have had people go to America,Australia Singapore etc etc knowing it could be the outcome. Isn't that what our embassy's and ambassadors are for.?

Or did we just wait until the vote and we are now starting from scratch ?

[b2hbm]

TeamD said:

Yes, I know, we have a huge raft of Brexit threads BUT...
All EU nationals currently working in the UK and contributing to the economy to be given permanent leave to remain. This would go some way towards countering the accusations of racism and xenophobia and would squarely put the ball in the EUs court as to how they should move forwards in a constructive manner. Tantrums will not wash, we have to all behave like adults, no matter our thoughts on the matter.

Like it, although I don't ever recall the Leave campaigners saying that immigrants already here would be on the first boat out. But it would certainly reinforce the feelings for many in that position.

Again positive, I note this morning that Reuters is carrying Osborne's statement about the UK being a strong economy and able to take the volatile weeks ahead. And no emergency budgets until we can actually see what's happening. Common sense at last, who'd have thought it ?

[TeamD]

It also occurs to me that by stealing the march on the continuing residence of EU nationals already here then we should be able to make any moves by the rEU to punish UK residents working there precisely the kind of negative, childish and spiteful actions of an organisation that is undemocratic and has refused to listen to its members and thus bears some responsibility of the juncture that we now find ourselves at.

[WestyCarl]

PositronicRay said:

I wish I could claim this, it's a plan.


Right. fk this. We're ALL up st creek and we need a paddle. Now, not in three months.

Fellow Remain voters: Enough already. Yes, we're all pissed off but navel gazing ain't gonna help. Not all 17 million Leave voters can possibly be racist northern pensioners without an O level to their name. Maybe they have a point about this quitting the EU thing? Maybe not. Whatever, we are where we are and no amount a whinging is gonna change that. Allegedly we're the intelligent ones, so get your thinking caps on.

Leave voters. Well done. Good game. We hear you. Now you need to get stuck in to the aftermath and not just ps off back to Wetherspoons. (Just banter, tts!). And the first person to say they "want their country back" gets deported to fking Gibraltar. OK?

Politicians.

David. fk off. Shut the door behind you. Now.

George. You may be a tt but you're our tt. Plus you know the passwords for our Junior Savers account. Get your calculator. Drop the face-like-a-slapped-ass routine. You're on.

Boris. Sorry mate. That photo of you abseiling by your scrotum over the London Olympics while waving a Union Jack can't ever be un-taken. Plus, you'll never be able to appear on Question Time again without some sturdy Glaswegian nurse asking where the fk her 350 million quid is. Not only will she have a very good point, she'll be wearing a T shirt that shows you gurning in front of that fking bus! No captains hat for you I'm afraid.

Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the st out of 'em.

Nicola. Yep. Fair cop. You probably could get us on a technicality, as could London. But we fking love shortbread. And oil. And to be honest you're probably the best politician we've got, so we need you on side. Sort your lot out and we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny) and we'll make you a Dame once we're sorted. Bring Ruth Davidson. She kicks ass.

Opposition party. We'll need one. Someone take Jeremy and John back to the British Legion Club where you found them. Take Nigel as well. Give back their sandals, buy them a pint, then go to Heathrow and collect David Milliband. fk it. Lets gets Ed Balls as well. He keeps George on his toes. I think he works on the lottery kiosk at Morrisons now?

Oh. And Mark Carney. Give him a knighthood and tell him to keep that st coming. We definitely need more of that good st!

Everyone set? Right. Hold the Easyjet. We're going to Brussels and this ain't no hen party.

?#?weneedaplan? Share!

Somewhere in Whitehall: ctrl C + ctrl V...... Sir, I think I may have something here

[TeamD]

b2hbm said:

Like it, although I don't ever recall the Leave campaigners saying that immigrants already here would be on the first boat out. But it would certainly reinforce the feelings for many in that position.

Exactly, it has been spun as being a racist agenda and this needs to be nipped in the bud. The outcome of the vote was NOT a vote for discrimination and xenophobia, rather a legitimate concern that fell upon deaf ears.

I would also like to stress that IMHO, this is not a matter of turning out backs upon Europe, but taking back the power to drive forward cooperation on our own terms, for the best interests of the UK as a whole. It is a complete no-brainer that if the answer to any attempt at change or renegotiation is always, "Non!"

ETA: A friend from my local pub who has been married to his wife for over a decade is continually confounded by the Civil service in attempting to secure her leave to remain, simply because she is of Brazilian origin. This is plainly unfair.

Edited by TeamD on Monday 27th June 09:13

[tarnished]

PositronicRay said:

Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the st out of 'em.

Not sure May's the best option, but I'd take it if it just means people rolling up their sleeves and getting on with it. Three days of hiatus is more than enough for me.

[RobinOakapple]

Anyone who thinks Boris won't be the next PM is dreaming.

[don4l]

PositronicRay said:

I wish I could claim this, it's a plan.


Right. fk this. We're ALL up st creek and we need a paddle. Now, not in three months.

Fellow Remain voters: Enough already. Yes, we're all pissed off but navel gazing ain't gonna help. Not all 17 million Leave voters can possibly be racist northern pensioners without an O level to their name. Maybe they have a point about this quitting the EU thing? Maybe not. Whatever, we are where we are and no amount a whinging is gonna change that. Allegedly we're the intelligent ones, so get your thinking caps on.

Leave voters. Well done. Good game. We hear you. Now you need to get stuck in to the aftermath and not just ps off back to Wetherspoons. (Just banter, tts!). And the first person to say they "want their country back" gets deported to fking Gibraltar. OK?

Politicians.

David. fk off. Shut the door behind you. Now.

George. You may be a tt but you're our tt. Plus you know the passwords for our Junior Savers account. Get your calculator. Drop the face-like-a-slapped-ass routine. You're on.

Boris. Sorry mate. That photo of you abseiling by your scrotum over the London Olympics while waving a Union Jack can't ever be un-taken. Plus, you'll never be able to appear on Question Time again without some sturdy Glaswegian nurse asking where the fk her 350 million quid is. Not only will she have a very good point, she'll be wearing a T shirt that shows you gurning in front of that fking bus! No captains hat for you I'm afraid.

Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the st out of 'em.

Nicola. Yep. Fair cop. You probably could get us on a technicality, as could London. But we fking love shortbread. And oil. And to be honest you're probably the best politician we've got, so we need you on side. Sort your lot out and we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny) and we'll make you a Dame once we're sorted. Bring Ruth Davidson. She kicks ass.

Opposition party. We'll need one. Someone take Jeremy and John back to the British Legion Club where you found them. Take Nigel as well. Give back their sandals, buy them a pint, then go to Heathrow and collect David Milliband. fk it. Lets gets Ed Balls as well. He keeps George on his toes. I think he works on the lottery kiosk at Morrisons now?

Oh. And Mark Carney. Give him a knighthood and tell him to keep that st coming. We definitely need more of that good st!

Everyone set? Right. Hold the Easyjet. We're going to Brussels and this ain't no hen party.

?#?weneedaplan? Share!

I must say that I find it reassuring to be called "thick" by anyone who could write the above.

[TeamD]

Another bugbear is the continued use of the term "jingoism" by those unhappy with the situation. Since the definition of that word is as follows, "the extreme belief that your own country is always best, often shown in enthusiastic support for a war against another country" is inappropriate at best and downright deceitful at worst.

We haven't declared war on anyone, all we have done is express our dissatisfaction with a situation which has been foisted upon us and taken the only reasonable steps available to us to effect change that is in our best interests.

[zygalski]

RobinOakapple said:

Anyone who thinks Boris won't be the next PM is dreaming.

Boris is desperate to be PM after the next one.

[TeamD]

don4l said:

I must say that I find it reassuring to be called "thick" by anyone who could write the above.

Can we leave the arguing for the plethora of other threads please Don, I'm trying to move on here and whilst you may not agree with the contribution made by PositronicRay at least he has acknowledged that we are where we are and further strife will only damage our country. Not that there have not been strong words traded from either side of the debate but we must now look to the future.

Cheers,
Steve

[Phud]

TeamD said:

Another bugbear is the continued use of the term "jingoism" by those unhappy with the situation. Since the definition of that word is as follows, "the extreme belief that your own country is always best, often shown in enthusiastic support for a war against another country" is inappropriate at best and downright deceitful at worst.

We haven't declared war on anyone, all we have done is express our dissatisfaction with a situation which has been foisted upon us and taken the only reasonable steps available to us to effect change that is in our best interests.

Well put, the result is also not any acceptance of the far right or a reduction of the countries ability to continually grow and change as a result of immigrants vibrant lifestyles.

[RobinOakapple]

zygalski said:

RobinOakapple said:

Anyone who thinks Boris won't be the next PM is dreaming.

Boris is desperate to be PM after the next one.

If that's the case then he will be called to earlier than he might have wished for.

[Hoofy]

PositronicRay said:

we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny)

I never thought that until now.

[Derek Smith]

RobinOakapple said:

Anyone who thinks Boris won't be the next PM is dreaming.

There's little chance he will be the next leader of the tories. Their voting system is internal and he's upset too many MPs for them to vote for him without being forced to.

If he does get the job, and self destruct is an option for the tories, then I won't vote for his party.

I'm positive about that.

[anonymous-user]

zygalski said:

RobinOakapple said:

Anyone who thinks Boris won't be the next PM is dreaming.

Boris is desperate to be PM after the next one.

Boris was finished the moment Cameron handed in his notice.

[Timmy40]

There is much to be done. First we must return our attention to the long neglected Commonwealth. We have been an absent parent to that particular family of Nations.

A tour by our Royalty will be a good start accompanied by ships of the line ( i'd suggest several battleships should do it ), it will be an opportunity to negotiate trade terms that will ensure the onoing prosperity of the empire commonwealth by placing London firmly at the centre of a global network of trade.

There are over 1 billion subjects in the empire commonwealth and it's time we sat at the table on equal terms with the Americans and Chinese as the head of that billion souls.

I may be slighlty teasing but I honestly think this is what my wifes Nan thinks will happen