Positivity - The Future

[RobinOakapple]

Derek Smith said:

RobinOakapple said:

Anyone who thinks Boris won't be the next PM is dreaming.

There's little chance he will be the next leader of the tories. Their voting system is internal and he's upset too many MPs for them to vote for him without being forced to.

If he does get the job, and self destruct is an option for the tories, then I won't vote for his party.

I'm positive about that.

He may have upset them, but that won't matter because they will vote for the PM that has the best chance of each of them retaining their seat and the Tories staying in power at the next election. It's all about the votes baby, and he will get them.

[TeamD]

As an aside, today, I joined the Conservative party, it is the first time in my life that I have ever felt the urge to join a political party.

[SeeFive]

TeamD said:

As an aside, today, I joined the Conservative party, it is the first time in my life that I have ever felt the urge to join a political party.

Interesting. Will you be throwing your hat in for the top job?

[TeamD]

SeeFive said:

TeamD said:

As an aside, today, I joined the Conservative party, it is the first time in my life that I have ever felt the urge to join a political party.

Interesting. Will you be throwing your hat in for the top job?

I suspect my public speaking skills would be my downfall

[Mrr T]

TeamD said:

All EU nationals currently working in the UK and contributing to the economy to be given permanent leave to remain. This would go some way towards countering the accusations of racism and xenophobia and would squarely put the ball in the EUs court as to how they should move forwards in a constructive manner. Tantrums will not wash, we have to all behave like adults, no matter our thoughts on the matter.

A small technical problem with your plan is that EU immigrants cannot apply for indefinite leave to remain. Any other plans from team Leave?

[SeeFive]

TeamD said:

SeeFive said:

TeamD said:

As an aside, today, I joined the Conservative party, it is the first time in my life that I have ever felt the urge to join a political party.

Interesting. Will you be throwing your hat in for the top job?

I suspect my public speaking skills would be my downfall

Have you seem Boris perform? Go on, you know you want to

[JawKnee]

I'd like us to remain part of the common market for the sake ok UK Business with the continuation of freedom of movement, probably through joining Schengen.

[lostkiwi]

Mrr T said:

TeamD said:

All EU nationals currently working in the UK and contributing to the economy to be given permanent leave to remain. This would go some way towards countering the accusations of racism and xenophobia and would squarely put the ball in the EUs court as to how they should move forwards in a constructive manner. Tantrums will not wash, we have to all behave like adults, no matter our thoughts on the matter.

A small technical problem with your plan is that EU immigrants cannot apply for indefinite leave to remain. Any other plans from team Leave?

Under EU laws (which we are still operating under) they can after 5 years residency.

[Timmy40]

JawKnee said:

I'd like us to remain part of the common market for the sake ok UK Business with the continuation of freedom of movement, probably through joining Schengen.

Technical point of order. Norway are in the Common Market but not the EU. But have achieved that through allowing free movement of labour AND agreeing to all EU rules.

Not much point leaving the EU if we end up having to agree to all the rules that the French and Germans will now make without even asking us?

[brrapp]

Mrr T said:

A small technical problem with your plan is that EU immigrants cannot apply for indefinite leave to remain. Any other plans from team Leave?

You are going against the whole ethos of the original post where we were asked to think of POSITIVE ways to go forward. You are right though, it is a 'small technical problem'.
It wouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a new post Brexit UK government to introduce legislation which would allow exactly this.

[TeamD]

Mrr T said:

TeamD said:

All EU nationals currently working in the UK and contributing to the economy to be given permanent leave to remain. This would go some way towards countering the accusations of racism and xenophobia and would squarely put the ball in the EUs court as to how they should move forwards in a constructive manner. Tantrums will not wash, we have to all behave like adults, no matter our thoughts on the matter.

A small technical problem with your plan is that EU immigrants cannot apply for indefinite leave to remain. Any other plans from team Leave?

Says who? This whole thing is about our right to make our own rules, if there is a will it will be done.

[Mrr T]

lostkiwi said:

Mrr T said:

TeamD said:

All EU nationals currently working in the UK and contributing to the economy to be given permanent leave to remain. This would go some way towards countering the accusations of racism and xenophobia and would squarely put the ball in the EUs court as to how they should move forwards in a constructive manner. Tantrums will not wash, we have to all behave like adults, no matter our thoughts on the matter.

A small technical problem with your plan is that EU immigrants cannot apply for indefinite leave to remain. Any other plans from team Leave?

Under EU laws (which we are still operating under) they can after 5 years residency.

Please just check the web site before posting.

https://www.gov.uk/browse/visas-immigration/eu-eea...

As an EU citizen you CANNOT apply for indefinite leave to remain.

You can apply for a residency certificate or after 5 years residence (3 if married to a UK citizen) citizenship.

[SeeFive]

JawKnee said:

I'd like us to remain part of the common market for the sake ok UK Business with the continuation of freedom of movement, probably through joining Schengen.

So you see that as a likelihood when Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Norway, and Sweden have imposed controls on some or all of their borders with other Schengen states in March 2016?

Schengen seems to be living on borrowed time.

[Murph7355]

JawKnee said:

I'd like us to remain part of the common market for the sake ok UK Business with the continuation of freedom of movement, probably through joining Schengen.

If people are worried about security etc, let alone immigration, why on Earth would Schengen be a good idea?

And the freedom of movement of people does not have to be a pre-requisite to a common market. It's a political string the EU have added that was irrelevant when the disparities between member states was negligible (at say 15 members) but is a major thorn now that has changed (28 with most being significant net recipients).

If you can provide any good arguments to support the case of freedom of movement of people and Schengen I would genuinely love to hear them. Excluding "because they would give us access to the common market".

My hope is that trading sense with our partners across the EU and Europe prevails and we'll be able to maintain something very close to a common market without these unnecessary strings. Some degree of payment towards that objective would be acceptable IMO. Insisting on freedom of movement would not. (Schengen would be a step backwards from where we are now, so that's definitely a no go).

[TeamD]

Mrr T said:

Please just check the web site before posting.

https://www.gov.uk/browse/visas-immigration/eu-eea...

As an EU citizen you CANNOT apply for indefinite leave to remain.

You can apply for a residency certificate or after 5 years residence (3 if married to a UK citizen) citizenship.

TBH it sounds like you want it to be a problem, so when presented with a suggestion that we change immigration law to safeguard EU citizens position in this country and allay the fears at this time you wish to naysay it? Other than getting your own way and undoing the referendum what positive and sensible things would you do to ensure that these people are not disadvantaged?

[MarshPhantom]

I'm looking forward to getting a job on a trawler and going on me holidays to Gibraltar.

[Timmy40]

MarshPhantom said:

I'm looking forward to getting a job on a trawler and going on me holidays to Gibraltar.

It'll take a long time to get there on a trawler. I'd suggest joining the newly resurgent Navy and working your passage on a ship of the line.

[MarshPhantom]

RobinOakapple said:

Derek Smith said:

RobinOakapple said:

Anyone who thinks Boris won't be the next PM is dreaming.

There's little chance he will be the next leader of the tories. Their voting system is internal and he's upset too many MPs for them to vote for him without being forced to.

If he does get the job, and self destruct is an option for the tories, then I won't vote for his party.

I'm positive about that.

He may have upset them, but that won't matter because they will vote for the PM that has the best chance of each of them retaining their seat and the Tories staying in power at the next election. It's all about the votes baby, and he will get them.

It's all about who can get enough backing from fellow MPs. The Tories don't often do sensible.

[RobinOakapple]

MarshPhantom said:

RobinOakapple said:

Derek Smith said:

RobinOakapple said:

Anyone who thinks Boris won't be the next PM is dreaming.

There's little chance he will be the next leader of the tories. Their voting system is internal and he's upset too many MPs for them to vote for him without being forced to.

If he does get the job, and self destruct is an option for the tories, then I won't vote for his party.

I'm positive about that.

He may have upset them, but that won't matter because they will vote for the PM that has the best chance of each of them retaining their seat and the Tories staying in power at the next election. It's all about the votes baby, and he will get them.

It's all about who can get enough backing from fellow MPs. The Tories don't often do sensible.

And as I've pointed out, they will back Boris because he will get them the votes. They may not like him, but the voters do.

[Murph7355]

MarshPhantom said:

...and going on me holidays to Gibraltar.

Don't. It's very, very overrated (sorry Gibraltar, but that advice would have stood regardless of the referendum!).