Cameron on Brexit live in commons

Cameron on Brexit live in commons

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dieselgrunt

689 posts

165 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Common theme seems to be that all Brexit voters are racist scum.

Gandahar

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9,600 posts

129 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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dieselgrunt said:
Common theme seems to be that all Brexit voters are racist scum.
No, listen to what they are saying.

XMT

3,803 posts

148 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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towser44 said:
I do feel a lot better now, despite all of this uncertainty, at least we have gay marriage.
roflroflroflrofl I've not laughed so much in months!
I found that very odd too.



dieselgrunt

689 posts

165 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Gandahar said:
No, listen to what they are saying.
That's the insinuation, that by voting leave we have given carte Blanche to racists to indulge their behaviour. Glad the last female politician has called that out.

mwstewart

7,630 posts

189 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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dieselgrunt said:
Gandahar said:
No, listen to what they are saying.
That's the insinuation, that by voting leave we have given carte Blanche to racists to indulge their behaviour. Glad the last female politician has called that out.
I think we must be watching different things. The issue was highlighted and all agreed the behaviour will not be tolerated, conversely it has been highlighted that the accusation that all leave votors are racist, is also wrong.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

136 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Cameron is slopey shouldering this like a boss.

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

175 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Gandahar said:
That was a stumbling talk from Corbin and reminds me of Michael Foot
This is the problem for Corbyn, people only pay attention to the presentation and very rarely listen to the content. The content of what he said was quite good but it is almost painful the way he stutters through it.

wilwak

759 posts

171 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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I'm surprised that nobody has started an online petition to for David Cameron to change his mind and stay as PM.

I personally wish he'd take on the challenge of moving things forward.

tarnished

13,718 posts

97 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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I'm behind on this, but I'm guessing Corbyn hasn't pushed Cameron on why he said he would invoke Article 50 and hasn't? Did he even mention the referendum?

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

179 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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wilwak said:
I'm surprised that nobody has started an online petition to for David Cameron to change his mind and stay as PM.

I personally wish he'd take on the challenge of moving things forward.
He is spineless, anyone with any sense of honour would have invoked article 50 as per the will of the people and then said he will resign as he is not the best person to negotiate the exit which is fair enough.

To leave the country in a state of limbo allowing the remain camp to whinge and whine in the hope they get the result they want is poor form.

Once article 50 is invoked, we can move forward purposefully.

fizz47

2,690 posts

211 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Why is the commons not packed to the rafters? I would have thought everyone would have wanted to see this...

Idiot David Lammy asking for a second referendum...

turbobloke

104,074 posts

261 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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fizz47 said:
Idiot David Lammy asking for a second referendum...
He got what was needed...there are no plans for one and the gov't has to implement the referendum result.

Did he not also say earlier that collective resposibility has been reimposed on the government post-referendum and they all have a singular aim post-referendum which is Brexit.

Derek Smith

45,755 posts

249 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Jimmyarm said:
He is spineless, anyone with any sense of honour would have invoked article 50 as per the will of the people and then said he will resign as he is not the best person to negotiate the exit which is fair enough.

To leave the country in a state of limbo allowing the remain camp to whinge and whine in the hope they get the result they want is poor form.

Once article 50 is invoked, we can move forward purposefully.
That goes against a lot of comments, including from leavers, pre vote that for Cameron to resign immediately would be the decision of a coward. It appears to me that DC, by retiring after a period, has allowed negotiations to be from a sound basis. At the moment there are no plans, none whatsoever. We need some basis.

We need a plan and we haven't got one. To do something precipitous would be ridiculous.

Further, he has no legitimacy. He has said, in effect, he's a carefaker.

Far from being spineless, I think he's shown good political sense and allowed his replacement a strong hand. I don't like the bloke and blame him for the financial problems I, and the rest of the country, will suffer for some time.


Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

171 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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wilwak said:
I'm surprised that nobody has started an online petition to for David Cameron to change his mind and stay as PM.

I personally wish he'd take on the challenge of moving things forward.
seems somewhat ironic after his "Brits don't quit" taunt.

lostkiwi

4,584 posts

125 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

199 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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lostkiwi said:
I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.
Except of course pre the referendum result he was quite clear about the fact that following an exit vote he would be invoking Article 50 the day after. Which he then didn't do because he got the result he wasn't expecting. Which isn't fair at all.

jamoor

14,506 posts

216 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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lostkiwi said:
I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.
If he invokes it he gets the blame.

Let someone else take the hit or not as it may be.

lostkiwi

4,584 posts

125 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Timmy40 said:
lostkiwi said:
I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.
Except of course pre the referendum result he was quite clear about the fact that following an exit vote he would be invoking Article 50 the day after. Which he then didn't do because he got the result he wasn't expecting. Which isn't fair at all.
Since when has a politician ever followed through on what they say?
Why is it not fair that his successor (who will be leading negotiations) has full control over the process from start to finish?

gooner1

10,223 posts

180 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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lostkiwi said:
Since when has a politician ever followed through on what they say?
Why is it not fair that his successor (who will be leading negotiations) has full control over the process from start to finish?
Is it the case that the invoker of said article has to lead the following negotiations?

Challo

10,209 posts

156 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Timmy40 said:
lostkiwi said:
I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.
Except of course pre the referendum result he was quite clear about the fact that following an exit vote he would be invoking Article 50 the day after. Which he then didn't do because he got the result he wasn't expecting. Which isn't fair at all.
But if you listen to the leave campaign they don't want Article 50 being triggered just yet. They need to build the plan and decide what they want out the spilt. Invoking it means the clock starts and they have to have everything agreed in 2years.

So actually he is doing exactly what the leave camp want, and far from being spineless.