Cameron on Brexit live in commons
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dieselgrunt said:
Gandahar said:
No, listen to what they are saying.
That's the insinuation, that by voting leave we have given carte Blanche to racists to indulge their behaviour. Glad the last female politician has called that out.Gandahar said:
That was a stumbling talk from Corbin and reminds me of Michael Foot
This is the problem for Corbyn, people only pay attention to the presentation and very rarely listen to the content. The content of what he said was quite good but it is almost painful the way he stutters through it. wilwak said:
I'm surprised that nobody has started an online petition to for David Cameron to change his mind and stay as PM.
I personally wish he'd take on the challenge of moving things forward.
He is spineless, anyone with any sense of honour would have invoked article 50 as per the will of the people and then said he will resign as he is not the best person to negotiate the exit which is fair enough.I personally wish he'd take on the challenge of moving things forward.
To leave the country in a state of limbo allowing the remain camp to whinge and whine in the hope they get the result they want is poor form.
Once article 50 is invoked, we can move forward purposefully.
fizz47 said:
Idiot David Lammy asking for a second referendum...
He got what was needed...there are no plans for one and the gov't has to implement the referendum result.Did he not also say earlier that collective resposibility has been reimposed on the government post-referendum and they all have a singular aim post-referendum which is Brexit.
Jimmyarm said:
He is spineless, anyone with any sense of honour would have invoked article 50 as per the will of the people and then said he will resign as he is not the best person to negotiate the exit which is fair enough.
To leave the country in a state of limbo allowing the remain camp to whinge and whine in the hope they get the result they want is poor form.
Once article 50 is invoked, we can move forward purposefully.
That goes against a lot of comments, including from leavers, pre vote that for Cameron to resign immediately would be the decision of a coward. It appears to me that DC, by retiring after a period, has allowed negotiations to be from a sound basis. At the moment there are no plans, none whatsoever. We need some basis. To leave the country in a state of limbo allowing the remain camp to whinge and whine in the hope they get the result they want is poor form.
Once article 50 is invoked, we can move forward purposefully.
We need a plan and we haven't got one. To do something precipitous would be ridiculous.
Further, he has no legitimacy. He has said, in effect, he's a carefaker.
Far from being spineless, I think he's shown good political sense and allowed his replacement a strong hand. I don't like the bloke and blame him for the financial problems I, and the rest of the country, will suffer for some time.
I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.
lostkiwi said:
I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.
Except of course pre the referendum result he was quite clear about the fact that following an exit vote he would be invoking Article 50 the day after. Which he then didn't do because he got the result he wasn't expecting. Which isn't fair at all. lostkiwi said:
I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.
If he invokes it he gets the blame.Let someone else take the hit or not as it may be.
Timmy40 said:
lostkiwi said:
I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.
Except of course pre the referendum result he was quite clear about the fact that following an exit vote he would be invoking Article 50 the day after. Which he then didn't do because he got the result he wasn't expecting. Which isn't fair at all. Why is it not fair that his successor (who will be leading negotiations) has full control over the process from start to finish?
lostkiwi said:
Since when has a politician ever followed through on what they say?
Why is it not fair that his successor (who will be leading negotiations) has full control over the process from start to finish?
Is it the case that the invoker of said article has to lead the following negotiations?Why is it not fair that his successor (who will be leading negotiations) has full control over the process from start to finish?
Timmy40 said:
lostkiwi said:
I would guess DC doesn't want to invoke Article 50 as it is something for the Brexit government to do. If he invokes it and starts down the route of leaving and there is an opportunity missed for a better negotiation then he leaves himself open to accusations of sabotage. The fairest thing for him to do is therefore not do anything and pass that responsibility of the negotiations and exit strategy onto those who will be seeing those negotiations to completion.
Except of course pre the referendum result he was quite clear about the fact that following an exit vote he would be invoking Article 50 the day after. Which he then didn't do because he got the result he wasn't expecting. Which isn't fair at all. So actually he is doing exactly what the leave camp want, and far from being spineless.
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