Cameron on Brexit live in commons

[gooner1]

Challo said:

But if you listen to the leave campaign they don't want Article 50 being triggered just yet. They need to build the plan and decide what they want out the spilt. Invoking it means the clock starts and they have to have everything agreed in 2years.

So actually he is doing exactly what the leave camp want, and far from being spineless.

But he is not there to pander to any campaign. He is there to serve the British public, Industry, etc.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Edited by gooner1 on Monday 27th June 18:02

[Derek Smith]

Timmy40 said:

Except of course pre the referendum result he was quite clear about the fact that following an exit vote he would be invoking Article 50 the day after. Which he then didn't do because he got the result he wasn't expecting. Which isn't fair at all.

The vote was to leave. That's all it was. He is under no obligation re time limits. The vote was whether to leave or not.

I don't remember his suggesting he'd invoke Article 50 but I do remember some idiot suggesting that £350m per day would go to the NHS.

[Derek Smith]

gooner1 said:

Challo said:

But if you listen to the leave campaign they don't want Article 50 being triggered just yet. They need to build the plan and decide what they want out the spilt. Invoking it means the clock starts and they have to have everything agreed in 2years.

So actually he is doing exactly what the leave camp want, and far from being spineless.

But he is not there to pander to any campaign. He is there to serve the British public, Industry, etc.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

Edited by gooner1 on Monday 27th June 18:02

If he is there to look after the best interests of the electorate and industry then he should slow the leave process. As for the other leaders not being willing to speak with him, I wonder what they will say to his replacement.

[PorkInsider]

Derek Smith said:

Timmy40 said:

Except of course pre the referendum result he was quite clear about the fact that following an exit vote he would be invoking Article 50 the day after. Which he then didn't do because he got the result he wasn't expecting. Which isn't fair at all.

The vote was to leave. That's all it was. He is under no obligation re time limits. The vote was whether to leave or not.

I don't remember his suggesting he'd invoke Article 50 but I do remember some idiot suggesting that £350m per day would go to the NHS.

Oh but they've changed their minds on that NHS claim now, Derek.

Well, initially they tried to say that they'd never said the (imaginary) £350m would go the NHS but once it was pointed out that that really they did say that, along with the bks about stopping immigration, they conceded on 'wrong to say that'.

Which is fine. As long as they've now admitted it was incorrect, then all is ok.

The fact that a not inconsiderable number of gullible people will have voted based on those claims obviously doesn't matter.

[turbobloke]

Derek Smith said:

Timmy40 said:

Except of course pre the referendum result he was quite clear about the fact that following an exit vote he would be invoking Article 50 the day after. Which he then didn't do because he got the result he wasn't expecting. Which isn't fair at all.

The vote was to leave. That's all it was. He is under no obligation re time limits. The vote was whether to leave or not.

I don't remember his suggesting he'd invoke Article 50 but I do remember some idiot suggesting that £350m per day would go to the NHS.

Doubtful - it was a £350m per week surely.

[PorkInsider]

Forgot to add: where the hell were Gove and Boris for the session in the commons?

I listened to it all on the radio and couldn't believe that they hadn't even got the bks, or decency, to turn up. As was pointed out multiple times by various MPs.

I was fuming listening to it.

[Robertj21a]

PorkInsider said:

Forgot to add: where the hell were Gove and Boris for the session in the commons?

I listened to it all on the radio and couldn't believe that they hadn't even got the bks, or decency, to turn up. As was pointed out multiple times by various MPs.

I was fuming listening to it.

Gove was there.

[PorkInsider]

Robertj21a said:

Gove was there.

Apologies, my mistake.

(My lame excuse is that I was listening on MW as I was driving back from Scotland over the Cumbrian hills where there's no FM/DAB reception.)

[Derek Smith]

turbobloke said:

Doubtful - it was a £350m per week surely.

It was meant ironically. £350m was a made-up figure, or rather a lie. To emphasise it I exaggerated. Just like they did.

[pim]

jamoor said:

If he invokes it he gets the blame.

Let someone else take the hit or not as it may be.

Isn't that the problem? A spineless prime minister with sloping shoulders.

[jamoor]

pim said:

Isn't that the problem? A spineless prime minister with sloping shoulders.

I don't see why he should start a job that he wouldn't even finish, moreso if he was against the idea in the first place.

[Sam All]

jamoor said:

pim said:

Isn't that the problem? A spineless prime minister with sloping shoulders.

I don't see why he should start a job that he wouldn't even finish, moreso if he was against the idea in the first place.

Will history think of him as a selfish PM, or a great one?

[turbobloke]

Derek Smith said:

turbobloke said:

Doubtful - it was a £350m per week surely.

It was meant ironically. £350m was a made-up figure, or rather a lie. To emphasise it I exaggerated. Just like they did.

Sure you did, it was so obvious.

At least we're not embroiled in WW3 yet, that would make the EU fees look like small change. The risks are clear and present. Remain said so. Any idea of the date?

[jamoor]

Sam All said:

Will history think of him as a selfish PM, or a great one?

Great, for not wanting to take all of the glory of brexit of course!
He gave the others a chance.

[turbobloke]

Sam All said:

jamoor said:

pim said:

Isn't that the problem? A spineless prime minister with sloping shoulders.

I don't see why he should start a job that he wouldn't even finish, moreso if he was against the idea in the first place.

Will history think of him as a selfish PM, or a great one?

History will regard him as a PM who accused 17 million people in his own country of being quitters just before he quit. Also as somebody so arrogant he believed his own spin and deceit while thinking others were stupid enough to believe it, and as a result failed to prepare properly for a referendum outcome that needed preparation.

[Casa1862]

Where was Boris??

[Sam All]

turbobloke said:

Sam All said:

jamoor said:

pim said:

Isn't that the problem? A spineless prime minister with sloping shoulders.

I don't see why he should start a job that he wouldn't even finish, moreso if he was against the idea in the first place.

Will history think of him as a selfish PM, or a great one?

History will regard him as a PM who accused 17 million people in his own country of being quitters just before he quit. Also as somebody so arrogant he believed his own spin and deceit while thinking others were stupid enough to believe it, and as a result failed to prepare properly for a referendum outcome that needed preparation.

He should have waited - poor judgement. And on Syria, Libya....

[Crafty_]

Casa1862 said:

Where was Boris??

Playing cricket

[PorkInsider]

Casa1862 said:

Where was Boris??

Not giving a st, other than about himself.

That's where he was.

[Sam All]

PorkInsider said:

Casa1862 said:

Where was Boris??

Not giving a st, other than about himself.

That's where he was.

And ABB campaign will likely succeed, the favourite candidate does not always win.