The economic consequences of Brexit

The economic consequences of Brexit

Poll: The economic consequences of Brexit

Total Members Polled: 732

Far worse off than EU countries.: 15%
A bit worse off than if we'd stayed in.: 35%
A bit better off than if we'd stayed in.: 41%
Roughly as rich as the Swiss.: 10%
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Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Jockman said:
Not sure if it has been said before but a big THANK YOU to yet another female Conservative leader from the hard working people of Sunderland.

What with all that Labour has done for them over the years.
Will it change the way they vote?

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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B'stard Child said:
Jockman said:
Do cars still have a first reg tax (or something like that) too?
hehe a question like that on a motoring forum tsk!!!
Doh - can't remember buying a new car in the last few years! biggrin

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Trabi601 said:
powerstroke said:
perhaps anyone chosing to buy a european car instead of british , asian or north american one !!!
would we really miss most german french or italian cars ?? trucks or vans ??? It would be harder for comercails but the euro cars are very much
average compared with the japanese and even the korean stuff until its high end otherwise you would have a Kia as a company car instead of a stty audi...
Let me know when any British (or even Far Eastern) manufacturer makes anything that truly compares with a 5 series.

I've done nearly 14k miles in mine since June - I can drive for 4-5 hours and get out fresh for a meeting. You're not doing that in a Hyundai. Or even a Jaguar.
Emperors new clothes but hey if you like em crack on ...

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Pesty said:
Will it change the way they vote?
I hear you but the answer >may< not be as obvious. Not voting Cons no longer means voting Lab.

The Referendum showed interesting intentions that had had not hitherto been natural bedfellows.

Garvin

5,156 posts

176 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Trabi601 said:
powerstroke said:
perhaps anyone chosing to buy a european car instead of british , asian or north american one !!!
would we really miss most german french or italian cars ?? trucks or vans ??? It would be harder for comercails but the euro cars are very much
average compared with the japanese and even the korean stuff until its high end otherwise you would have a Kia as a company car instead of a stty audi...
Let me know when any British (or even Far Eastern) manufacturer makes anything that truly compares with a 5 series.

I've done nearly 14k miles in mine since June - I can drive for 4-5 hours and get out fresh for a meeting. You're not doing that in a Hyundai. Or even a Jaguar.
Give over will you. BMW have been working overtime to re-compete with Jaguar of late. If the price differential twixt Jaguar and BMW increases in the Jags favour then it would be a personal decision to stump up the extra and not based on VFM. I suspect, however, than BMW daren't increase their prices significantly.

mikees

2,745 posts

171 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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powerstroke said:
Trabi601 said:
powerstroke said:
perhaps anyone chosing to buy a european car instead of british , asian or north american one !!!
would we really miss most german french or italian cars ?? trucks or vans ??? It would be harder for comercails but the euro cars are very much
average compared with the japanese and even the korean stuff until its high end otherwise you would have a Kia as a company car instead of a stty audi...
Let me know when any British (or even Far Eastern) manufacturer makes anything that truly compares with a 5 series.

I've done nearly 14k miles in mine since June - I can drive for 4-5 hours and get out fresh for a meeting. You're not doing that in a Hyundai. Or even a Jaguar.
Emperors new clothes but hey if you like em crack on ...
Have you driven an xf? Or a disco 4?

Trabi601

4,865 posts

94 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Garvin said:
Give over will you. BMW have been working overtime to re-compete with Jaguar of late. If the price differential twixt Jaguar and BMW increases in the Jags favour then it would be a personal decision to stump up the extra and not based on VFM. I suspect, however, than BMW daren't increase their prices significantly.
There's still a significant quality and technology gap. And the Ingenium diesel is still not as good as the BMW 20d.

But this isn't the place for this discussion!

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

97 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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230TE said:
Trabi601 said:
I note that many Brexiteers still think we are living in the days of the Empire where we could dictate to half the world how we wanted to do business with them. We are now a relatively insignificant little island nation, with increasingly insular views through our rose tinted glasses.
Not this again. Don't, aren't, bks.
https://youtu.be/LfNUdhFIVHA



Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

97 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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jamoor said:
Trabi601 said:
Let me know when any British (or even Far Eastern) manufacturer makes anything that truly compares with a 5 series.

I've done nearly 14k miles in mine since June - I can drive for 4-5 hours and get out fresh for a meeting. You're not doing that in a Hyundai. Or even a Jaguar.
You will in a lexis though
And maybe a Genesis
Tesla S.

https://youtu.be/iyXSJAICaBc

full on preposterous mode or whatever...




Edited by Sylvaforever on Thursday 27th October 23:01

Trabi601

4,865 posts

94 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Sylvaforever said:
Tessa S.
Not sure how a female javelin thrower from the 1980s is going to help here wink

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

97 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Trabi601 said:
Sylvaforever said:
Tessa S.
Not sure how a female javelin thrower from the 1980s is going to help here wink

I can think of some ways, yes.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Trabi601 said:
I note that many Brexiteers still think we are living in the days of the Empire where we could dictate to half the world how we wanted to do business with them. We are now a relatively insignificant little island nation, with increasingly insular views through our rose tinted glasses.
Your language projects your own prejudices and bitterness, clearly you want to run the UK into the dirt unless we are prepared to conform to your political vision.

Voting for brexit expresses no desire to be insular (quite the reverse) or dictate anything to anyone, and voters fully expected it to have some inconvenient repercussions - but when you have gone a long way down a wrong road it is a weary trudge back to the right path.

But insignificant? Expected 5th largest global nominal GDP (IMF) for this year, and 2nd in Olympics medal list, and English the universal language etc. etc. - you really are in absolute delusional denial. The UK is a global powerhouse and beacon and punches far above its weight.

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Mr GrimNasty said:
But insignificant? Expected 5th largest global nominal GDP (IMF) for this year, and 2nd in Olympics medal list, and English the universal language etc. etc. - you really are in absolute delusional denial. The UK is a global powerhouse and beacon and punches far above its weight.
We may be a paper tiger, but nobody has come close enough to poke us with a stick yet. wink

B'stard Child

28,321 posts

245 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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davepoth said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
But insignificant? Expected 5th largest global nominal GDP (IMF) for this year, and 2nd in Olympics medal list, and English the universal language etc. etc. - you really are in absolute delusional denial. The UK is a global powerhouse and beacon and punches far above its weight.
We may be a paper tiger, but nobody has come close enough to poke us with a stick yet. wink
Benefit of being an island smile

Sturgeon is coming close to poking a tiger with a stick biggrin

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 27th October 2016
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Not sure if this has been posted here, but he made a right 'dogs dinner' of it smile

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...

Trabi601

4,865 posts

94 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Your language projects your own prejudices and bitterness, clearly you want to run the UK into the dirt unless we are prepared to conform to your political vision.

Voting for brexit expresses no desire to be insular (quite the reverse) or dictate anything to anyone, and voters fully expected it to have some inconvenient repercussions - but when you have gone a long way down a wrong road it is a weary trudge back to the right path.

But insignificant? Expected 5th largest global nominal GDP (IMF) for this year, and 2nd in Olympics medal list, and English the universal language etc. etc. - you really are in absolute delusional denial. The UK is a global powerhouse and beacon and punches far above its weight.
Wel, we are now falling down the GDP table as our currency is 'readjusting'. I reckon we are just below India now.

We've been told by the Brexiteers our currency was over valued, but then told we are some kind of powerhouse because of our distorted GDP.

The interesting one is the GDP per capita based on standard of living, we don't do so well there. This again is only going to get worse as our currency falters.

Bringing the Olympics into this is a moot point as it's widely accepted we over invested in elite sports. It's cyclical, we will get a phase of under investment followed by a national crisis when we fail at a games in the future.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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How do you over invest in elite athletes?

Bloody hell, you are even negative on what our great sports men and women achieve.

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Trabi601 said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Your language projects your own prejudices and bitterness, clearly you want to run the UK into the dirt unless we are prepared to conform to your political vision.

Voting for brexit expresses no desire to be insular (quite the reverse) or dictate anything to anyone, and voters fully expected it to have some inconvenient repercussions - but when you have gone a long way down a wrong road it is a weary trudge back to the right path.

But insignificant? Expected 5th largest global nominal GDP (IMF) for this year, and 2nd in Olympics medal list, and English the universal language etc. etc. - you really are in absolute delusional denial. The UK is a global powerhouse and beacon and punches far above its weight.
Wel, we are now falling down the GDP table as our currency is 'readjusting'. I reckon we are just below India now.
You reckoned incorrectly, UK is fifth, India is seventh.

Source: Worldbank.org

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Trabi601 said:
Wel, we are now falling down the GDP table as our currency is 'readjusting'. I reckon we are just below India now.
Talking out your arse on this one too. Still 5th, India are 7th.

Projection for 2020 is India will just pip the UK and France, France will be below UK. These figures are in US $ too.

http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-pr... base source is IMF, who have constantly got the UK figures under what they actually achieve too.

Murph7355

37,648 posts

255 months

Friday 28th October 2016
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Jockman said:
Andy, would you not agree that allowing people to keep more of their income would influence GDP?
It might. But then again it might not.


RYH64E said:
Jockman said:
All eligible for ER at 10% in your exit strategy (be wary of excessive surplus cash if this is your plan).
It's plan A, providing the rules don't change.
I suspect there are a number who are that way inclined.

The warning on excessive surpluses is a good one too.
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