The economic consequences of Brexit

[SilverSixer]

Greg66 said:

powerstroke said:

saabster14 said:

Don't get too het up boys and girls... it's a just a little bit of fun

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/12/01/8-ways-get-goo...

Yes and you can see why they don't want any help from Farage
Classic Tall Poppy syndrome !!! ... What a cupid stunt you are Davis .....

Davis has never been clever. Ditto IDS, Liam Fox ... they were and are journeymen who now have been catapulted by events to center stage. But they are still as limited as they ever were.

It's all rather unfortunate for the country, IMO.

They're just Mutti May's fall guys for when we have to accept we need to remain or get in to an EEA/EFTA perma-transition position. Unfortunate, as you say. It was quite obvious all along that the outcome of a Leave vote would have unavoidable, unfortunate consequences. Here we go. It's going to be a looooong, painful death by a thousand cuts for brexit.

[Jockman]

SilverSixer said:

They're just Mutti May's fall guys for when we have to accept we need to remain or get in to an EEA/EFTA perma-transition position. Unfortunate, as you say. It was quite obvious all along that the outcome of a Leave vote would have unavoidable, unfortunate consequences. Here we go. It's going to be a looooong, painful death by a thousand cuts for brexit.

I thought we didn't know what brexit was? How can you kill something that you can't identify?

[anonymous-user]

saabster14 said:

Greg66 said:

Davis has never been clever. Ditto IDS, Liam Fox ... they were and are journeymen who now have been catapulted by events to center stage. But they are still as limited as they ever were.

It's all rather unfortunate for the country, IMO.

does that apply to Boris Johnston too?

Johnson: clever man, funny on HIGNFY. London Mayor is basically PR and bus lanes, so not much in the way of preparation for anything important.

Redwood and JRM: clever but zero judgment.

I remain of the view that May handed out jobs to Fox, Davis and Johnson on the basis of "you wanted this so now you can own it and try to make it work. It's your necks in the nooses now, boys; have fun!"

[Digga]

Greg66 said:

I remain of the view that May handed out jobs to Fox, Davis and Johnson on the basis of "you wanted this so now you can own it and try to make it work. It's your necks in the nooses now, boys; have fun!"

You may well be right. It's shrewd; if they fail, she has a good chance of eliminating a potential competitor for PM and, if they succeed, she still looks good as a result.

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

Greg66 said:

I remain of the view that May handed out jobs to Fox, Davis and Johnson on the basis of "you wanted this so now you can own it and try to make it work. It's your necks in the nooses now, boys; have fun!"

You may well be right. It's shrewd; if they fail, she has a good chance of eliminating a potential competitor for PM and, if they succeed, she still looks good as a result.

It's a well-used move in Russian business and politics, funnily enough.

[Digga]

Greg66 said:

Digga said:

Greg66 said:

I remain of the view that May handed out jobs to Fox, Davis and Johnson on the basis of "you wanted this so now you can own it and try to make it work. It's your necks in the nooses now, boys; have fun!"

You may well be right. It's shrewd; if they fail, she has a good chance of eliminating a potential competitor for PM and, if they succeed, she still looks good as a result.

It's a well-used move in Russian business and politics, funnily enough.

British too; promote someone high enough that they're too busy/overwhelmed to cause any trouble.

[B'stard Child]

Digga said:

Greg66 said:

Digga said:

Greg66 said:

I remain of the view that May handed out jobs to Fox, Davis and Johnson on the basis of "you wanted this so now you can own it and try to make it work. It's your necks in the nooses now, boys; have fun!"

You may well be right. It's shrewd; if they fail, she has a good chance of eliminating a potential competitor for PM and, if they succeed, she still looks good as a result.

It's a well-used move in Russian business and politics, funnily enough.

British too; promote someone high enough that they're too busy/overwhelmed to cause any trouble.

Expression I use is "promoted to a level of incompetence....."

[don'tbesilly]

B'stard Child said:

Expression I use is "promoted to a level of incompetence....."

[B'stard Child]

don'tbesilly said:

B'stard Child said:

Expression I use is "promoted to a level of incompetence....."

Great point well made

[Digga]

B'stard Child said:

Digga said:

Greg66 said:

Digga said:

Greg66 said:

I remain of the view that May handed out jobs to Fox, Davis and Johnson on the basis of "you wanted this so now you can own it and try to make it work. It's your necks in the nooses now, boys; have fun!"

You may well be right. It's shrewd; if they fail, she has a good chance of eliminating a potential competitor for PM and, if they succeed, she still looks good as a result.

It's a well-used move in Russian business and politics, funnily enough.

British too; promote someone high enough that they're too busy/overwhelmed to cause any trouble.

Expression I use is "promoted to a level of incompetence....."

I always think there's a subtle difference; someone can be promoted above their ability but still have time to cause bother. To do a proper job on them - as May seems to have - you need to ensure the role is all consuming and relentlessly demanding. It's a superb trick.

[saabster14]

don'tbesilly said:

B'stard Child said:

Expression I use is "promoted to a level of incompetence....."

[RYH64E]

Had a bad week, if anyone thinks that exporting to Kuwait is as easy as exporting to the EU then all I can say is that they need to try it. Goods have been ready for 10 days and still can't leave because the paperwork isn't right, at their end not ours, and now they're on holiday for two days. Life's too short for this crap.

[SilverSixer]

RYH64E said:

Had a bad week, if anyone thinks that exporting to Kuwait is as easy as exporting to the EU then all I can say is that they need to try it. Goods have been ready for 10 days and still can't leave because the paperwork isn't right, at their end not ours, and now they're on holiday for two days. Life's too short for this crap.

I was working in an export sales job the day we entered the Customs Union. It was a bloody revelation. I am astounded people don't get it and have seemingly voted us back to the previous set of circumstances. Perhaps they have no experience of real business in the real world and are just armchair experts.

[catso]

SilverSixer said:

Perhaps they have no experience of real business in the real world and are just armchair experts.

Indeed, my business involves primarily importing from within the EU and it is much simplified from before the EU but some on here don't know or care, rather they tell me we should be manufacturing everything we need here.

If that were even remotely possible it would already be happening...

[Digga]

catso said:

Indeed, my business involves primarily importing from within the EU and it is much simplified from before the EU but some on here don't know or care, rather they tell me we should be manufacturing everything we need here.

If that were even remotely possible it would already be happening...

I've seen both sides of this; export and import, EU and non-EU, pre and post Eurozone. Exports to the Gulf can be enormously frustrating.

There are wider concerns than this and no one knows what will be resolved for a post-Brexit deal yet. So it's not worth panicking quite yet.

[s2art]

SilverSixer said:

RYH64E said:

Had a bad week, if anyone thinks that exporting to Kuwait is as easy as exporting to the EU then all I can say is that they need to try it. Goods have been ready for 10 days and still can't leave because the paperwork isn't right, at their end not ours, and now they're on holiday for two days. Life's too short for this crap.

I was working in an export sales job the day we entered the Customs Union. It was a bloody revelation. I am astounded people don't get it and have seemingly voted us back to the previous set of circumstances. Perhaps they have no experience of real business in the real world and are just armchair experts.

Tell us more. I thought the progress in e-commerce/e-customs had dramatically improved the situation in the past decade.

[Garvin]

SilverSixer said:

RYH64E said:

Had a bad week, if anyone thinks that exporting to Kuwait is as easy as exporting to the EU then all I can say is that they need to try it. Goods have been ready for 10 days and still can't leave because the paperwork isn't right, at their end not ours, and now they're on holiday for two days. Life's too short for this crap.

I was working in an export sales job the day we entered the Customs Union. It was a bloody revelation. I am astounded people don't get it and have seemingly voted us back to the previous set of circumstances. Perhaps they have no experience of real business in the real world and are just armchair experts.

A lot certainly don't understand but, TBH, it's a first world problem. I work in a company that exports all over the world and we manage to do it very well. Yes, you need to learn/understand the process etc. and it can be very frustrating and is certainly more difficult than exporting/importing from the EU but it is far from impossible. I see that UK exports to the RoW have now overtaken our exports to the EU so some companies are getting on with it rather than bleating "woe is me" all the time.

[Digga]

s2art said:

Tell us more. I thought the progress in e-commerce/e-customs had dramatically improved the situation in the past decade.

It's still umpteen bits of paperwork and certain Gulf states are very fussy; Certificates of Origin, Bills of Lading, Copies of Invoices, all to be rubber-stamped - physically or electronically - by the Chamber. We've seen similar delays to RYH64E.

[don4l]

SilverSixer said:

RYH64E said:

Had a bad week, if anyone thinks that exporting to Kuwait is as easy as exporting to the EU then all I can say is that they need to try it. Goods have been ready for 10 days and still can't leave because the paperwork isn't right, at their end not ours, and now they're on holiday for two days. Life's too short for this crap.

I was working in an export sales job the day we entered the Customs Union. It was a bloody revelation. I am astounded people don't get it and have seemingly voted us back to the previous set of circumstances. Perhaps they have no experience of real business in the real world and are just armchair experts.

We are not going back to the previous set of circumstances. The WTO has made significant moves towards a global free trade zone.

I agree with RYH that exporting to parts of the Middle East is a nightmare.

[walm]

don4l said:

I agree with RYH that exporting to parts of the Middle East is a nightmare.

I think you should be "getting on with it" and not bleating "woe is me".
Stop trying to talk the country down.
If only you took the time to engage rather than wetting the bed at these piffling hurdles.