The economic consequences of Brexit
Poll: The economic consequences of Brexit
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Discussion
el stovey said:
Digga said:
The oint I'm making about Brexit, which clealerly, despite your best efforts at disagrreeing with me, you are fully cognoscent of, is that we ARE leaving the EU. I also, totally agree that in what way shap or form the UK departs remains to be seen.
So far, we're on the same page, yes?
So really we could end up not actually leaving the EU? So far, we're on the same page, yes?
That point too, is something I already agreed had a chance (albeit negligible, especially given some EU rhetoric) of happening. It is certainly not something either the UK or EU politicians are in any way discussing, yet. (Furthermore, the 52% that voted leave would be even angrier than the Remainers are now.)
sidicks said:
The original poster didn't really have an argument, just the false pretence that many Brexiters expected an extra £350m per day for the NHS as a result of leaving the EU. That this false claims keeps getting reported is extremely boring, hence the appropriate response.
How is the claim false (other than being a mere £350m/week not per day)?
RYH64E said:
sidicks said:
The original poster didn't really have an argument, just the false pretence that many Brexiters expected an extra £350m per day for the NHS as a result of leaving the EU. That this false claims keeps getting reported is extremely boring, hence the appropriate response.
How is the claim false?
Did you believe everything the 'Remain' campaign claimed?
Digga said:
Please try to read my posts better.
That point too, is something I already agreed had a chance (albeit negligible, especially given some EU rhetoric) of happening. It is certainly not something either the UK or EU politicians are in any way discussing, yet. (Furthermore, the 52% that voted leave would be even angrier than the Remainers are now.)
Well you said we are leaving, the "are" was even in big letters to make the point. Then you said we've no idea what form it will take. Sounds like it's possible we might not leave in the end? That point too, is something I already agreed had a chance (albeit negligible, especially given some EU rhetoric) of happening. It is certainly not something either the UK or EU politicians are in any way discussing, yet. (Furthermore, the 52% that voted leave would be even angrier than the Remainers are now.)
View from across the pond by Ron Paul. Some weeks ago but his points about Brexit and the general instability of the world monetary system are worth listening to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDkTwIQpxvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDkTwIQpxvM
Dr Jekyll said:
Derek Smith said:
One way we are not leaving the EU as such is something similar to the Norwegian option. It will cover the vote to leave, so will be justifiable, but will mean that we are still in the EU.
No, because Norway is not in the EU. The Norway option is precisely what many Leave voter wanted.You are right in one way about the Norwegian option being the one mentioned by many as to what the leave campaigners asked for. But who knows what the 17m exit voters wanted? If one does accept it as a questionable premise then one must ask oneself why. We would still be governed to a great extent by the EU regs, as we will be for the majority of options, and freedom of movement will go with it.
I would suggest that even this, best of the options, option is not likely to be offered by the EU. We will almost certainly have to accept something different.
sidicks said:
The original poster didn't have an argument just the false pretence that many Brexiters expected an extra £350m for the NHS as a result of leaving the EU. That this false claims keeps getting reported is extremely boring, hence the appropriate response.
I think you will find they did.In fact, a van driver visited my office a few days after the vote and stated as much.
sidicks said:
RYH64E said:
sidicks said:
The original poster didn't really have an argument, just the false pretence that many Brexiters expected an extra £350m per day for the NHS as a result of leaving the EU. That this false claims keeps getting reported is extremely boring, hence the appropriate response.
How is the claim false?
Did you believe everything the 'Remain' campaign claimed?
Remainers were expecting what they already have.
el stovey said:
Well you said we are leaving, the "are" was even in big letters to make the point. Then you said we've no idea what form it will take. Sounds like it's possible we might not leave in the end?
Personally, I wouldn't want to deal with the Far Right aftermath of that outcome. Short of a huge change in EU freedom of movement and immigration policy - none of which is remotely on the cards, according to Hollande - it could create a poisonous environment.I'd never say never, but I really do not see it as a likely outcome.
Digga said:
I'm kind of a big deal. <\Ron Burgundy> 
You can try and laugh it up all you want. The fact remains (boom boom tsh!) that it ain't gonna be the well off/metropolitan elite/people of means/whatever who by and large voted Remain who are going to end up on the breadline if Brexit goes tits upDigga said:
But you are actually British, right?
With the greatest of respect to Germany, France and Italy, with the way you describe your lack of attachment to the UK, you don't sound like you really had any skin in the game.
I am British yes, and I am very attached to the UK, or at least what I thought it was and stood for. I had plenty of skin in the game, in fact the most personal you can have: your identity. Like I said, the Leave vote showed me that something I had always taken for granted as part of how I defined myself was false, or at least not shared by about half the country. Maybe my vision of what the UK was is as unreal as the land of milk and honey that was sold by the Brexit campaign, which I find very sad.With the greatest of respect to Germany, France and Italy, with the way you describe your lack of attachment to the UK, you don't sound like you really had any skin in the game.
sidicks said:
RYH64E said:
sidicks said:
The original poster didn't really have an argument, just the false pretence that many Brexiters expected an extra £350m per day for the NHS as a result of leaving the EU. That this false claims keeps getting reported is extremely boring, hence the appropriate response.
How is the claim false?
Did you believe everything the 'Remain' campaign claimed?
sidicks said:
No irony required, just common sense.
Acting so as to make the present and future worse for themselves and everyone else is illogical. The alternative is to expect these 'apparently clever' (so they would have you believe) to throw their toys out of the pram and disrupt the economy.
^^^^^^Acting so as to make the present and future worse for themselves and everyone else is illogical. The alternative is to expect these 'apparently clever' (so they would have you believe) to throw their toys out of the pram and disrupt the economy.
Warned about the consequences of Brexit
Votes for Brexit anyway
Blames those who warned about the consequences of Brexit for the consequences of Brexit.
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
sidicks said:
The original poster didn't really have an argument, just the false pretence that many Brexiters expected an extra £350m per day for the NHS
If you're referring to me as the OP that Derek is referring to, that's not what I said. I said I don't think the areas that voted Leave that benefited from EU funding will see that funding replaced by money from the £350M/week kitty.Mario149 said:
sidicks said:
The original poster didn't really have an argument, just the false pretence that many Brexiters expected an extra £350m per day for the NHS
If you're referring to me as the OP that Derek is referring to, that's not what I said. I said I don't think the areas that voted Leave that benefited from EU funding will see that funding replaced by money from the £350M/week kitty.Sorry for the confusion.
Digga said:
The oint I'm making about Brexit, which clealerly, despite your best efforts at disagrreeing with me, you are fully cognoscent of, is that we ARE leaving the EU. I also, totally agree that in what way shap or form the UK departs remains to be seen.
So far, we're on the same page, yes? Where I seem to loose one or two people, is in the assertion that it is in Everyone's interest - irrespective of how they voted - to get the best deal and to create a success of it. Is that so illogical?
What is the "best deal"? Many businesses for example would like to keep freedom of movement in both directions, others wouldn't. Some want financial passporting for the city, others aren't bothered.So far, we're on the same page, yes? Where I seem to loose one or two people, is in the assertion that it is in Everyone's interest - irrespective of how they voted - to get the best deal and to create a success of it. Is that so illogical?
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