The economic consequences of Brexit

[PurpleMoonlight]

don4l said:

What bigotry?

You appear to be going into meltdown.

I am sick to death of some people having a snide or blatant dig at me because I chose not to vote.

That fact does not mean that I am not entitled to have an opinion on what happens now or over the next few years or entitled to voice that opinion.

[andymadmak]

davepoth said:

don4l said:

What bigotry?

You appear to be going into meltdown.

I think he's upset about people who voted asserting moral superiority in this discussion over people who didn't. Did he vote in the referendum?

Is that bigotry? really?

[sidicks]

RYH64E said:

So on what basis do you conclude that a potentially damaging proposal couldn't be sold to the EU electorate? Screw the UK and London banks and car manufacturers will move to France for instance? Add in a touch of bigotry and anti-English sentiment (which is never in short supply in France) and it's job done.

I think it's unlikely. It's an opinion, which is equally valid to yours.

[davepoth]

andymadmak said:

Is that bigotry? really?

No, but he's been having trouble understanding the difference between access and membership this morning, so it's part of a pattern.

[don'tbesilly]

PurpleMoonlight said:

don4l said:

What bigotry?

You appear to be going into meltdown.

I am sick to death of some people having a snide or blatant dig at me because I chose not to vote.

That fact does not mean that I am not entitled to have an opinion on what happens now or over the next few years or entitled to voice that opinion.

I did neither.

I mentioned membership of the single market, and I drew attention to three groups of people.

Group One - Voted to leave the EU.
Group Two - Voted to remain in the EU
Group Three - Didn't vote.

The statistics of all three groups are what are generally focussed on when discussing the referendum, I don't see why mentioning it is any way bigoted?

[Sylvaforever]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I am sick to death of some people having a snide or blatant dig at me because I chose not to vote.

bizarre.

[sidicks]

don'tbesilly said:

I did neither.

I mentioned membership of the single market, and I drew attention to three groups of people.

Group One - Voted to leave the EU.
Group Two - Voted to remain in the EU
Group Three - Didn't vote.

The statistics of all three groups are what are generally focussed on when discussing the referendum, I don't see why mentioning it is any way bigoted?

Don't mention the war! I mentioned it once, but i think I got away with it...

[davepoth]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I am sick to death of some people having a snide or blatant dig at me because I chose not to vote.

That fact does not mean that I am not entitled to have an opinion on what happens now or over the next few years or entitled to voice that opinion.

One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.

-Plato

[don4l]

davepoth said:

don4l said:

What bigotry?

You appear to be going into meltdown.

I think he's upset about people who voted asserting moral superiority in this discussion over people who didn't. Did he vote in the referendum?

However, to be fair to PM, his vote wouldn't have made any difference. Remain would still have lost by more than a million votes.

Likewise, I could have saved myself five minutes, and Leave would still have won by more than a million votes.

[andymadmak]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I am sick to death of some people having a snide or blatant dig at me because I chose not to vote.

That fact does not mean that I am not entitled to have an opinion on what happens now or over the next few years or entitled to voice that opinion.

OK, so people have found one of your "buttons", and they are pushing it. I do understand your ire, but you think nothing of pushing others buttons so frankly you only have yourself to blame. What do I mean by that? Well, you have a tendency to assert your opinions (which are almost always utterly doom laden in respect of the future prospects for the UK) as facts. You have, at times, a somewhat supercilious tone that refuses to consider the valid opinions of those who voted out. You're not quite in the ///ajd league in terms of the "brexit voters = racist, thick, xenophobic, etc etc" but equally you're happy to ride that characterisation of brexiters when it suits you. Witness your default "bigot" insult when someone points out that you didn't vote. Its not bigoted when it's the truth. No it does not mean that you cannot have an opinion, but really, let's not get away from the fact that something you now feel really rather passionate about (no problem there) is something you couldn't be bothered to put a cross on a bit of paper for last June (no problem there either) and yet you talk the language of blame and recrimination against those who DID vote. Think about that a bit, and you can see how unwelcome that is.

Personally I think everyone is entitled to their view ( well, except possibly ///ajd - Joke!) but the context now should be in terms of what happens next in the run up to and after Brexit (which will happen in my opinion) That would make for a really good debate and I think it should involve everyone on all sides - not from the standpoint of how to stop it happening, but from the standpoint of how do we make it work.
You could lead or you can follow, or you can be left behind.


And it still isn't bigotry.

[RYH64E]

sidicks said:

I think it's unlikely. It's an opinion, which is equally valid to yours.

So when you wrote 'will' in your original quote you meant 'might'?

[///ajd]

BlackLabel said:

The British Bankers’ Association wouldn't be doing their job properly if they didn't threaten,and lobby the government in such a way. Of course that isn't to say the threat of leaving isn't real.

They want the same hand outs as Nissan.

And why wouldn't you? Sweetshop is open.

[anonymous-user]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I am sick to death of some people having a snide or blatant dig at me because I chose not to vote.

That fact does not mean that I am not entitled to have an opinion on what happens now or over the next few years or entitled to voice that opinion.

Perhaps people are just a little bit tired of your continued rhetoric on the whole subject. You keep claiming not to care about any of it, but that clearly just isn't true.

I know you can't see that your lack of vote means your opinion or comments are completely benign, but everybody else can.

You have already been outed as a hypocrite on the other thread, had your abusive posts removed and subsequently flounced off in a huff. Why do you carry on contributing if you're "sick to death" of people commenting on your lack of vote. It's an issue that won't go away I'm afraid.

I'm not saying you can't have an opinion and I'm not trying to silence you - I'm just pointing out that from my perspective it's empty words. It seems I'm not alone in this opinion.

[///ajd]

sidicks said:

RYH64E said:

So on what basis do you conclude that a potentially damaging proposal couldn't be sold to the EU electorate? Screw the UK and London banks and car manufacturers will move to France for instance? Add in a touch of bigotry and anti-English sentiment (which is never in short supply in France) and it's job done.

I think it's unlikely. It's an opinion, which is equally valid to yours.

Its entirely likely, they'd be daft not to capitalise on our folly.

[sidicks]

RYH64E said:

sidicks said:

I think it's unlikely. It's an opinion, which is equally valid to yours.

So when you wrote 'will' in your original quote you meant 'might'?

I think it's quite obvious that (nothing having yet been agreed and in the absence of being able to see into the future) i was expressing an opinion, even if I didn't explicitly describe it as such.

You've done similar.

[don4l]

PurpleMoonlight said:

don4l said:

What bigotry?

You appear to be going into meltdown.

I am sick to death of some people having a snide or blatant dig at me because I chose not to vote.

That fact does not mean that I am not entitled to have an opinion on what happens now or over the next few years or entitled to voice that opinion.

Two points.

1) You accused someone of "bigotry". There wasn't any bigotry, or even the faintest hint of bigotry. Hence my "meltdown" comment.

2) I hadn't mentioned your failure to express your opinion in the referendum.

So, I was absolutely correct to say that you are going into meltdown. You are becoming increasingly irrational.

If I were in your position I would apologise for the bigotry accusation. We would then all move on, and it would be forgotten in minutes.

[sidicks]

///ajd said:

sidicks said:

RYH64E said:

So on what basis do you conclude that a potentially damaging proposal couldn't be sold to the EU electorate? Screw the UK and London banks and car manufacturers will move to France for instance? Add in a touch of bigotry and anti-English sentiment (which is never in short supply in France) and it's job done.

I think it's unlikely. It's an opinion, which is equally valid to yours.

Its entirely likely, they'd be daft not to capitalise on our folly.

And making themselves worse off is 'capitalising on our folly', is it?!


Glad you're not in charge of any business i have a financial interest in!!

[Garvin]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I am sick to death of some people having a snide or blatant dig at me because I chose not to vote.

That fact does not mean that I am not entitled to have an opinion on what happens now or over the next few years or entitled to voice that opinion.

Of course you are entitled to an opinion and to voice it. What you are not entitled to do is assert that it is fact.

Also, you are not 'entitled' to fling around insults such as accusing people of being bigots when their statements are nothing of the sort. I also have a problem with others' outbursts of lies and liars etc. It does nodoby any credit, just inflames the situation and adds absolutely nothing to the debate.

I sincerely hope that all come to focus on how to make the best of the Brexit situation. That is not to say that the risks should not be openly discussed and debated as to ignore the risks will surely result in a less that optimum result.

[StottyEvo]

jamoor said:

StottyEvo said:

That's a light hearted humours thread, its not serious.

Well you live in a ghetto say that people there behave badly "because they are immigrants"

What about the people that live in council estates and have bits of furniture in their front garden that were born here?

So people aren't allowed to be annoying at poor behaviour by immigrants because they also have homegrown stheads?

Edit: Why have you put "because they are immigrants" in quotations, I never said that, these are your words.

Edited by StottyEvo on Sunday 23 October 12:58

[RYH64E]

sidicks said:

RYH64E said:

sidicks said:

I think it's unlikely. It's an opinion, which is equally valid to yours.

So when you wrote 'will' in your original quote you meant 'might'?

I think it's quite obvious that (nothing having yet been agreed and in the absence of being able to see into the future) i was expressing an opinion, even if I didn't explicitly describe it as such.

You've done similar.

The serious point is that you continue to think in terms of a calm and considered, mutually beneficial, economic settlement, whereas it's much more likely to be a political decision based upon the perceived emotion of the electorate and a wish to protect the grand EU project.

Imo, very few people voted for Brexit following a considered review of the economic arguments, it was largely (not exclusively) a case of disempowered voters sticking two fingers up to the establishment, well what goes around comes around. Voters in France, Poland, Greece, Spain etc won't look you kindly on their elected representatives cutting a deal with the UK that gives us economic benefits without the various costs of membership.