The economic consequences of Brexit

[sidicks]

RYH64E said:

The serious point is that you continue to think in terms of a calm and considered, mutually beneficial, economic settlement, whereas it's much more likely to be a political decision based upon the perceived emotion of the electorate and a wish to protect the grand EU project.

Is this a fact or just your opinion?

RYH64E said:

Imo, very few people voted for Brexit following a considered review of the economic arguments, it was largely (not exclusively) a case of disempowered voters sticking two fingers up to the establishment, well what goes around comes around.

That's your opinion, plenty of people would disagree.

RYH64E said:

Voters in France, Poland, Greece, Spain etc won't look you kindly on their elected representatives cutting a deal with the UK that gives us economic benefits without the various costs of membership.

Unless the alternative makes them much worse off too...

[don4l]

Garvin said:

Of course you are entitled to an opinion and to voice it. What you are not entitled to do is assert that it is fact.

Also, you are not 'entitled' to fling around insults such as accusing people of being bigots when their statements are nothing of the sort. I also have a problem with others' outbursts of lies and liars etc. It does nodoby any credit, just inflames the situation and adds absolutely nothing to the debate.

I sincerely hope that all come to focus on how to make the best of the Brexit situation. That is not to say that the risks should not be openly discussed and debated as to ignore the risks will surely result in a less that optimum result.

I can see that you are referring to me there.

I would really like to adopt a different tone in my posts. In fact, I have tried, more than once, to move the debate on. I would much prefer that we discussed how we can make the most of our forthcoming independence.

Each time that I have started such discussions, the usual suspects have crowded in and tried to "shut the conversation down".

There is a huge difference between my use of the word "lie" and the refusal of some Remainers to accept reality. I have only used the word "lie" when a lie has been told.

I believe that you voted Remain, but you are willing to accept that we are going to Leave. I would be very happy to engage, and even compromise, with you. However, we are unable to enter into conversation because most Remainers are busily engaged in "shutting down the conversation".

We cannot have a sensible debate until the false accusations of bigotry, racism, stupidity and xenophobia stop.

[don4l]

RYH64E said:

Imo, very few people voted for Brexit following a considered review of the economic arguments, it was largely (not exclusively) a case of disempowered voters sticking two fingers up to the establishment, well what goes around comes around.

For God's sake!

Stop telling us why we voted Leave.

It is utterly irrelevant, and you clearly haven't a clue why we voted Leave.


You Remainers voted "Remain" because you thought that there would be an emergency £32Bn budget, didn't you?

You voted on the basis of a huge lie.

[///ajd]

don'tbesilly said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

don'tbesilly said:

I do understand the difference thanks.

When both Cameron and Osborne, and then Gove/others spelt out prior to the referendum that leaving the EU meant relinquishing membership of the Single market, I and I'd imagine millions of voters who were considering the options,consequences and responsibilities of their vote looked into what leaving the single market meant and voted accordingly, either to stay in the EU or leave the EU, some of course didn't do any of the above.

I'm sure some who voted to leave might now be questioning their vote, others who voted remain will perhaps also be doing the same.
It makes for a good discussion for those who made it to the polling booth because they valued the future of the UK either in the EU or out of the EU which the UK will now be.

Back to that bigotry I see huh.

You need to grow up.

Can you point out the bigotry in my post please?

Its not the first time the phrase in bold has been highlighted. More subtle now but it used to be a clear call for him to not join in.

Several here repeatedly use this against PM and the clear inference above is that he should not join the discussion, and helis opinion should be dismissed.

This is bigotry as you are intolerant of him joining the debate - otherwise why keep making the same point?

He doesn't have to apologise at all, his use of the phrase is correct, unlike some other ignorant attempts to use it as an insult.

[Gogoplata]

MG CHRIS said:

Some good news today Nissan is set to announce its to build the new suv model at the sunderland car plant didn't the remainers say sunderland would lose out on jobs if we left because Nissan would leave. Not another lie by the remainers by any chance is it?

Source?

[///ajd]

sidicks said:

///ajd said:

sidicks said:

RYH64E said:

So on what basis do you conclude that a potentially damaging proposal couldn't be sold to the EU electorate? Screw the UK and London banks and car manufacturers will move to France for instance? Add in a touch of bigotry and anti-English sentiment (which is never in short supply in France) and it's job done.

I think it's unlikely. It's an opinion, which is equally valid to yours.

Its entirely likely, they'd be daft not to capitalise on our folly.

And making themselves worse off is 'capitalising on our folly', is it?!


Glad you're not in charge of any business i have a financial interest in!!

If they nick our GDP they aren't worse off long term are they? Jeez. They think about the long game even if you can't.

That 7.5% - £200Bn GDP some here are happy to give up to get a bit of imaginary sovereignty they already don't want to use on art50 will be most welcome in the EU mainland.

[alfie2244]

don'tbesilly said:

After the recent debacle between the EU & Canada it makes waiting until March next year a waste of time.

I'd be sending Juncker an email along the lines of 'do one', send a response back when you've reclaimed more than one brain cell and we can have some meaningful discussions.

PS: Don't include Schulz!

[sidicks]

///ajd said:

If they nick our GDP they aren't worse off long term are they? Jeez.

Seems like you don't understand the point being discussed. Never mind.

///ajd said:

They think about the long game even if you can't.

Says the person that has continually been crowing about the short-term market impacts of Brexit...

///ajd said:

That 7.5% - £200Bn GDP some here are happy to give up to get a bit of imaginary sovereignty they already don't want to use on art50 will be most welcome in the EU mainland.

1) we don't have to give it up
2) it's not imaginary

HTH

Edited by sidicks on Sunday 23 October 13:13

[anonymous-user]

Gogoplata said:

Source?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/2026336/nissan-set-to-build-new-suvs-at-their-sunderland-plant-in-a-post-brexit-boost/amp/?client=safari

[Gogoplata]

bmw535i said:

Gogoplata said:

Source?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/2026336/nissan-set-to-build-new-suvs-at-their-sunderland-plant-in-a-post-brexit-boost/amp/?client=safari

Thanks. BBC article with the same date states that Nissan wouldn't be making a decision until next month & I hadn't seen any news since to suggest that a decision had been made.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-37726493

[anonymous-user]

Gogoplata said:

Thanks. BBC article with the same date states that Nissan wouldn't be making a decision until next month & I hadn't seen any news since to suggest that a decision had been made.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-37726493

The official line is that an announcement will be made next month - The Sun claim the deal is already done. Time will tell, the same as it will with every other bit of speculation being passed off as fact

[anonymous-user]

Gogoplata said:

bmw535i said:

Gogoplata said:

Source?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/2026336/nissan-set-to-build-new-suvs-at-their-sunderland-plant-in-a-post-brexit-boost/amp/?client=safari

Thanks. BBC article with the same date states that Nissan wouldn't be making a decision until next month & I hadn't seen any news since to suggest that a decision had been made.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-37726493

The first line in 535i's Sun link says "The Japanese firm said it will decide whether to produce the next Qashqai in the UK in the next month."

I guess the good news is that we will find out next month?

[JagLover]

///ajd said:

If they nick our GDP they aren't worse off long term are they? Jeez. They think about the long game even if you can't.

That 7.5% - £200Bn GDP some here are happy to give up to get a bit of imaginary sovereignty they already don't want to use on art50 will be most welcome in the EU mainland.

You are being rather amusing

They will not "nick our GDP". If we export less to them then we can afford to buy less goods and services from them, it is a very simple equation.

Trade is supposed to be a mutually beneficial relationship, but trade for Europe is superseded by political considerations.

[anonymous-user]

Ghibli said:

The first line in 535i's Sun link says "The Japanese firm said it will decide whether to produce the next Qashqai in the UK in the next month."

I guess the good news is that we will find out next month?

Classic remainer ignoring everything else apart from the one line in the article they want to believe and my other post

[anonymous-user]

bmw535i said:

Ghibli said:

The first line in 535i's Sun link says "The Japanese firm said it will decide whether to produce the next Qashqai in the UK in the next month."

I guess the good news is that we will find out next month?

Classic remainer ignoring everything else apart from the one line in the article they want to believe and my other post

Has the decision been made ? Or do we find out next month ?

[FN2TypeR]

Ghibli said:

bmw535i said:

Ghibli said:

The first line in 535i's Sun link says "The Japanese firm said it will decide whether to produce the next Qashqai in the UK in the next month."

I guess the good news is that we will find out next month?

Classic remainer ignoring everything else apart from the one line in the article they want to believe and my other post

Has the decision been made ? Or do we find out next month ?

Possibly both

[anonymous-user]

Ghibli said:

Has the decision been made ? Or do we find out next month ?

I'll just quote myself to save typing it again:

bmw535i said:

The official line is that an announcement will be made next month - The Sun claim the deal is already done. Time will tell, the same as it will with every other bit of speculation being passed off as fact

[anonymous-user]

bmw535i said:

Ghibli said:

Has the decision been made ? Or do we find out next month ?

I'll just quote myself to save typing it again:

bmw535i said:

The official line is that an announcement will be made next month - The Sun claim the deal is already done. Time will tell, the same as it will with every other bit of speculation being passed off as fact

Take another look and you will see I wasn't replying to your comment.

[anonymous-user]

Ghibli said:

Take another look and you will see I wasn't replying to your comment.

bmw535i said:

The official line is that an announcement will be made next month - The Sun claim the deal is already done. Time will tell, the same as it will with every other bit of speculation being passed off as fact

[Gogoplata]

So basically Nissan haven't made a decision, the only fact is that they've said they'll announce a decision next month.