The economic consequences of Brexit

The economic consequences of Brexit

Poll: The economic consequences of Brexit

Total Members Polled: 732

Far worse off than EU countries.: 15%
A bit worse off than if we'd stayed in.: 35%
A bit better off than if we'd stayed in.: 41%
Roughly as rich as the Swiss.: 10%
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sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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jjlynn27 said:
Another demonstrably false statement. Everything was backed up with figures and dates.
See above.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

109 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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davepoth said:
chrispmartha said:
Daily mail? ;-)
Institute for Economic Affairs do?

https://iea.org.uk/blog/abolish-the-cap-let-food-p...
Not really. That article is the worst abuse of statistics that I've seen in a long while. I'd imagine that DM article would be significantly better.

You really should try to understand the articles that you post links to.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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jjlynn27 said:
davepoth said:
chrispmartha said:
Daily mail? ;-)
Institute for Economic Affairs do?

https://iea.org.uk/blog/abolish-the-cap-let-food-p...
Not really. That article is the worst abuse of statistics that I've seen in a long while. I'd imagine that DM article would be significantly better.

You really should try to understand the articles that you post links to.
You should really explain why you think something is wrong, rather than just make bland statements about something being incorrect.

But the way, are you well-placed to judge?

jjlynn27 said:
Occupation: EU promoter of Green Energy
How's the job hunting going?

don4l

10,058 posts

176 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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jjlynn27 said:
davepoth said:
chrispmartha said:
Daily mail? ;-)
Institute for Economic Affairs do?

https://iea.org.uk/blog/abolish-the-cap-let-food-p...
Not really. That article is the worst abuse of statistics that I've seen in a long while. I'd imagine that DM article would be significantly better.

You really should try to understand the articles that you post links to.
Are you under the impression that a simple assertion will convince people that you are correct?

I admit that there are some incredibly gullible idiots out there, but most people like to see some facts when a debate is taking place.

If you think that the article is an abuse of statistics, then point out where you think the errors are.

The article makes sense to me. Subsidies do not encourage efficiency.


Fittster

20,120 posts

213 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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don4l said:
I admit that there are some incredibly gullible idiots out there, but most people like to see some facts when a debate is taking place.
You think facts were a major factor during the campaign prior to Brexit? Anyone who had facts was a Nazi and that's a fact.

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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StottyEvo said:
So people aren't allowed to be annoying at poor behaviour by immigrants because they also have homegrown stheads?

Edit: Why have you put "because they are immigrants" in quotations, I never said that, these are your words.

Edited by StottyEvo on Sunday 23 October 12:58
Well are they behaving badly because they are immigrants or is there another underlying reason?


It's like saying a white guy was stealing cars on my street.

Why does it matter that he's white, apart from to give the police a description to catch the offender?

B'stard Child

28,397 posts

246 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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PurpleMoonlight said:
I am sick to death of some people having a snide or blatant dig at me because I chose not to vote.

That fact does not mean that I am not entitled to have an opinion on what happens now or over the next few years or entitled to voice that opinion.
Mrs BC didn't vote in GE for many years - every time she moaned about the government or anything to do with politics - I told her I'm not discussing it with her - don't vote you don't get to comment either way. Slowly she came round to taking part and she votes in both GE and the recent referendum and now we have some entertaining conversations

We were on the same side referendum wise but we've been on different sides for the vast majority of GE's biggrin

I think we might be on the same side for the next one as she thinks Corbyn is a furry suit short of one of these.....



So JawKnee - a long time Labour supporter (not so long time voter) doesn't see your optimism

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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jjlynn27 said:
Not really. That article is the worst abuse of statistics that I've seen in a long while. I'd imagine that DM article would be significantly better.

You really should try to understand the articles that you post links to.
Pray tell. The article did point out that there's an inverse correlation between productivity and subsidies, do you disagree with that?

///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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JawKnee

1,140 posts

97 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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B'stard Child said:
So JawKnee - a long time Labour supporter (not so long time voter) doesn't see your optimism
Sounds like you cajoled her into voting and now cajoled her into who she should vote for.

She married you I suppose, so she must be very easily led. wink

alfie2244

11,292 posts

188 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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///ajd said:
Ben Chu? "intellectual pygmies" - a name to remember for the future.

B'stard Child

28,397 posts

246 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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JawKnee said:
B'stard Child said:
So JawKnee - a long time Labour supporter (not so long time voter) doesn't see your optimism
Sounds like you cajoled her into voting and now cajoled her into who she should vote for.

She married you I suppose, so she must be very easily led. wink
rofl

Not married - but been together 25 years - marriage can make people lazy and take each other for granted - neither of us felt it was needed

She knows her own mind....... It's fun biggrin

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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B'stard Child said:
JawKnee said:
B'stard Child said:
So JawKnee - a long time Labour supporter (not so long time voter) doesn't see your optimism
Sounds like you cajoled her into voting and now cajoled her into who she should vote for.

She married you I suppose, so she must be very easily led. wink
rofl

Not married - but been together 25 years - marriage can make people lazy and take each other for granted - neither of us felt it was needed

She knows her own mind....... It's fun biggrin
I'm sure by cajoled he actually means bullied and oppressed. I've come to learn it's what remainers can't see in themselves, but quite happy to accuse others of the same

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Borghetto said:
I seem to remember reading that the Sunderland plant was Nissan's most efficient plant' and Sterling has dropped - why on earth would you shut it?
Well it will become alot less efficient if they aren't part of the single market that's for sure.


don'tbesilly

13,933 posts

163 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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///ajd said:
Really?
Time to go, the opposing view, and how he got it so wrong and continues to do so:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/time-gloomy-m...



Murph7355

37,714 posts

256 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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///ajd said:
Very poorly written article linking to a poorly written article.

No mention of the timing correlation between events, attacking the person not what he's saying etc.

If this is all you read, it explain a lot.

Actually listening to what they say, I'd trust JR-M every time over Carney. (I'll give you Gove though. Grade A knob jockey).

230TE

2,506 posts

186 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Murph7355 said:
Very poorly written article linking to a poorly written article.

No mention of the timing correlation between events, attacking the person not what he's saying etc.

If this is all you read, it explain a lot.

Actually listening to what they say, I'd trust JR-M every time over Carney. (I'll give you Gove though. Grade A knob jockey).
I reckon ///ajd is only a couple of Independent links off breaching PH's "no advertising" policy. If the Indie isn't paying him for his efforts, it certainly should.

///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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Murph7355 said:
///ajd said:
Very poorly written article linking to a poorly written article.

No mention of the timing correlation between events, attacking the person not what he's saying etc.

If this is all you read, it explain a lot.

Actually listening to what they say, I'd trust JR-M every time over Carney. (I'll give you Gove though. Grade A knob jockey).
The basic premise that he appeared to look calm and take measured steps to manage the shock plumet of the pound and the uncertainty over what the markets might do was quite a contrast to Gove.

On the morning of the vote he looked entirely gormless (wearing a oh fck what have we done expression), followed by an excruciatingly misjudged stab in the back of boris whilst simultaneously torpedoing his own chances of being PM. This was obvious to everyone except himself until he had completely humiliated himself. He would be better advised to crawl under a rock than come out attacking one of the few individuals that acted with any dignity during the whole omnishambles.



Edited by ///ajd on Sunday 23 October 20:28

Borghetto

3,274 posts

183 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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jamoor said:
Borghetto said:
I seem to remember reading that the Sunderland plant was Nissan's most efficient plant' and Sterling has dropped - why on earth would you shut it?
Well it will become alot less efficient if they aren't part of the single market that's for sure.
Why?

Murph7355

37,714 posts

256 months

Sunday 23rd October 2016
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///ajd said:
The basic premise that he appeared to look calm and take measured steps to manage the shock plumet of the poor nd and the uncertainty over what the markets might do was quite a contrast to what Gove.

On the morning of the vote he looked entirely gormless (wearing a oh fck what have we done expression), followed by an excruciatingly misjudged stab in the back of boris whilst simultaneously torpedoing his own chances of being PM. This was obvious to everyone except himself until he had completely humiliated himself. He would be better advised to crawl under a rock than come out attacking one of the few individuals that acted with any dignity during the whole omnishambles.
So that's Gove taken care of. Somewhat surprisingly we agree on something tangentially linked to Brexit (I thought Gove was a knob jockey before, and his voting predilections don't change that).

It doesn't address the piss poor quality of the article you linked to though.

(And as an opportunistic aside, I'm still waiting for your response to the questions on freedom of movement...you wouldn't want to come across as slippery as Gove now, would you smile).
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