The economic consequences of Brexit

[don'tbesilly]

Tryke3 said:

Reckon i will see us joining the euro before i see a hard brexit with no freedom of movement and no access to the single market

I'd carry on with the 'reckon', if only for the amusement it gives.

[andymadmak]

Tryke3 said:

Reckon i will see us joining the euro before i see a hard brexit with no freedom of movement and no access to the single market

Really?

Personally I cannot see us joining the Euro in my lifetime. It's a disaster for southern Europe already. To the make the Euro work for everyone that uses it requires full political, economic and fiscal integration imho, and the British people will never agree to that.
But hey, we're predicting the future here, so who knows?

In terms of Brexit, I do think we will leave. The terms hard and soft actually mean nothing, and I would suggest are simply a device invented by the Remain camp through which they seek to undermine the outcome of the Referendum. It's project fear Mk2.

I reckon (since you did it, I might as well have a bash myself) That Britain will exit, there will be no freedom of movement of people, but possibly some sweetheart deal for those with jobs and UK will have de facto full access to single market (the deal will be called something else so as to save faces in Brussels). I think we will also end up paying a bit into the Euro kitty for the privilege (I would guess 1Bn pa)

I also think that the UK will strike a number of very attractive deals with growing economies in the rest of there world and this will more than compensate over time for any short term losses incurred during this Brexit process.
Lastly, I think that in the unlikely event that the EU REALLY does decide to play hardball (cuts off its own nose to spite its face) with the UK, then I actually think that this will spell the beginning of the end of the EU within a few years. The public groundswell in other EU nations is growing and if the EU think that punishment will keep them in line they are mistaken. - the moreso if that punishment costs tens hundreds of thousands of jobs across the EU.

[B'stard Child]

Digga said:

It is a moot point, complicated further by the fact that, possibly, even if it were down to racists and bigots, it might still be the right choice. The fact is, no one can possibly know.

^ spot on

We'll never know if the shooting of an MP had a significant effect on the result either.....

Polling indicators at the time (yes I know they were out by some margin) seemed to indicate that it did significantly boost the remain position in the polls.

I don't suppose this conversation will stop insults from either side or mentions of the "big red bus" or "project fear" as I feel that mentioning either or both will continue to spoil the debate

We can all agree that "PurpleMoonlight" didn't vote so he's absolutely blameless for any of the circumstances so can we stop ribbing him for it??? even if it's just a couple of days ;-)

[don4l]

Fittster said:

don4l said:

It isn't unexpected or independent.

Many of us joined UKIP and fought for this for many years.

The fact that we have made a killing on the stock markets is entirely down to our own perseverence and hard work.

The beauty is that not only have share prices risen recently, but dividend pay outs are also pretty good.

It's a win-win situation at the moment.

The fact that Remoaners are not sharing in the benefits is entirely your own fault.

If you look at the "No to the EU" thread you will see that I advised you to invest in the stock market at 7:45 am on the 24th of June.

Some of us are making money because we put our money where our mouths are.

How have you made a killing on the stockmarket? Which currency are you investments denominated in ?

Pehaps "killing" is too strong a word. However the last few months have been very good.

Most of my investments are in UK shares. I also have a significant quantity of euros on cash deposit. I think that now would be a good time to convert them to Sterling.

[don'tbesilly]

B'stard Child said:

Digga said:

It is a moot point, complicated further by the fact that, possibly, even if it were down to racists and bigots, it might still be the right choice. The fact is, no one can possibly know.

We can all agree that "PurpleMoonlight" didn't vote so he's absolutely blameless for any of the circumstances so can we stop ribbing him for it??? even if it's just a couple of days ;-)

What's he done bribed you with a cracking pension plan, so you can afford a fence for him to sit on

[PurpleMoonlight]

andymadmak said:

In terms of Brexit, I
I reckon (since you did it, I might as well have a bash myself) That Britain will exit, there will be no freedom of movement of people, but possibly some sweetheart deal for those with jobs and UK will have de facto full access to single market (the deal will be called something else so as to save faces in Brussels). I think we will also end up paying a bit into the Euro kitty for the privilege (I would guess 1Bn pa)

All the economic benefits for 10% of the current cost.

I don't see the EU agreeing to that.

[don4l]

andymadmak said:

Fittster said:

don4l said:

You do know how elections work, don't you?

The PM thinks that you are right. That must be excellent news.

However, she is implementing my wishes.

It just isn't fair, is it?

Democracy sucks!

So you'd be happy for another vote on the subject?

I can't speak for Don, but I personally would be confident that another vote would produce an even bigger majority for exit, so from THAT standpoint I would be happy. However, what grounds would you be putting forward that would justify another vote so soon after the last one?

I agree. I would be very happy to have another vote. I also feel that Leave would win by a bigger majority.

The reason is quite simple. Many of the claims that were made by the Remain camp have now been seen to be lies. So they would have an even less convincing case.

The Leave campaign would simply have to put a new slogan on a bus. Mind you, I would be tempted to leave the bus as it is. It is great at winding up Remoaners.

[B'stard Child]

don'tbesilly said:

B'stard Child said:

Digga said:

It is a moot point, complicated further by the fact that, possibly, even if it were down to racists and bigots, it might still be the right choice. The fact is, no one can possibly know.

We can all agree that "PurpleMoonlight" didn't vote so he's absolutely blameless for any of the circumstances so can we stop ribbing him for it??? even if it's just a couple of days ;-)

What's he done bribed you with a cracking pension plan, so you can afford a fence for him to sit on

Bloody spies everywhere.............

Actually he's advised me in my current circumstances I will be working till I'm dead - probably quite right

[don'tbesilly]

B'stard Child said:

don'tbesilly said:

B'stard Child said:

Digga said:

It is a moot point, complicated further by the fact that, possibly, even if it were down to racists and bigots, it might still be the right choice. The fact is, no one can possibly know.

We can all agree that "PurpleMoonlight" didn't vote so he's absolutely blameless for any of the circumstances so can we stop ribbing him for it??? even if it's just a couple of days ;-)

What's he done bribed you with a cracking pension plan, so you can afford a fence for him to sit on

Bloody spies everywhere.............

Actually he's advised me in my current circumstances I will be working till I'm dead - probably quite right

Five years at best then, you voted leave, so you are probably incontinent/impotent/dribble from the chin and not the cock,struggle with a zimmer frame and pester the meals on wheels ladies with lewd comments.

I'd recommend these, I swear by them :

http://www.tena.co.uk/men/products/free-sample?gcl...

[s2art]

PurpleMoonlight said:

All the economic benefits for 10% of the current cost.

I don't see the EU agreeing to that.

I dont see the UK stumping up much for a huge trade deficit. They should be paying us.

[don4l]

PurpleMoonlight said:

don4l said:

The fact that Remoaners are not sharing in the benefits is entirely your own fault.

Why do you feel the need to always use a derogatory term when referring to people who would prefer to stay in the EU?

You think that everyone should pull together to make the best of the future yet you insult millions of those people with almost every post.

If you hadn't used selective quoting, then the answer would be evident.

I have said that I will adopt the same tone as the Remoaners.

"You're not exactly Warren Buffet" was meant to be an insult, don't you think?

Perhaps you would point us to the post where you criticised someone for calling Leavers racist bigots and xenophobes. Did you complain when the Remain side said that I was unemployed, uneducated council house dweller.

You appear to have one set of standards that you apply to Leavers, and a completely different set of standards for the Remoaners.

[mike9009]

don4l said:

mike9009 said:

Why are we bothering to negotiate? I thought we voted out of the EU and single market?

The peoples voice was rather clear on that - well 52% anyway.

Mike

52% was more than a majority when I studied maths.

Are you saying that my maths teacher lied to me?

50.0000001% was all that was needed for a victory.

We got more than a million times than what was necessary.

If you had lost by only one vote, then you would have lost.

Fortunately, you lost by a margin that was a million times bigger than necessary.

Come the 15th March 2019, we will be free of the shackles of the socialist idiots who run the EU.

This is a cause for great celebration and national pride.

Sadly, most of the people who voted Remain don't seem to have any sense of National Pride.

So, Mike9009, I will ask you a simple question.

Tell us why you think that Great britain is a good country to live in?

If you cannot answer this question with any degree of enthusiasm, then you will just confirm my view that most Remainers are actually traitors.

The floor is yours...

I really do not get what you are going on about? I acknowledge the result and the request of the majority of the British population. I don't think I have posted differently - especially in my post you quoted.

You have managed to find a connection between me asking why we are bothering to negotiate on the single market when the majority of people rejected the single market, and that I am a traitor to the UK. Very bizarre?

My honest opinion is that to continue to have a good (or better) quality of life in the UK, the country needs to have a good economic strategy to support that objective. To achieve that objective, I felt remaining in the EU was the best option. (Personally, the result will hopefully have little financial consequence for me, as my job is not reliant on EU trade and most investments I have are in global equities and FTSE100).

Therefore, because of your bigotry, you assume this makes me a traitor and not have any national pride? I 'could' also accuse you of being a traitor for damaging the economic prospects of the UK and thus the quality of life (long term) of the British people. But I will not challenge you to this - or expect a reply because I can respect your decision and POV. (...and as yet this political/ economic 'experiment' has yet to play out.....)

It is good to have a debate - but I do find your posts overly personal and disrespectful.


Mike

PS How is your import/ export business going? (genuinely interested if you have been impacted by price rises and whether business has picked up?)

Edited by mike9009 on Wednesday 26th October 19:41

[don4l]

alfie2244 said:

More good news?

"The head of the World Trade Organisation has vowed to ensure Britain will not face a trade "vacuum or a disruption", however tough its exit from the European Union."

http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-will-not-cause-uk...

Yet another Remain lie exposed.

Some people on here claimed that there was no guarantee that we could rejoin the WTO.

[don4l]

Trophy Husband said:

B'stard Child said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

don4l said:

The fact that Remoaners are not sharing in the benefits is entirely your own fault.

Why do you feel the need to always use a derogatory term when referring to people who would prefer to stay in the EU?

You think that everyone should pull together to make the best of the future yet you insult millions of those people with almost every post.

Secret "Antidote" to the "racist" and "thick" accusations from those that voted for remain

Surely what you are really saying is that you tacitly agree that a large portion of those that voted leave were racist and thick red top readers. You are just taking exception to the fact that you have made a vote with conscious thought no doubt for your own non-racist, non-thick reasons and that's admirable. Nobody likes to be tarred with the same brush as racists and thick people. I'd love to see the vote devoid of racist motivations to leave. I would hazard a guess that we would be remaining. In fact I'm certain we would be. So, your victory as it seems to be, has been swept through the door by racist thick people.

So PurpleMoonlight, what do you think of the above?

Do you really think that I should remain polite when I see such nonsense riddled bile?

[don4l]

RYH64E said:

Yet another "Leavers are thick" reference.

PurpleMoonlight, I'm sure that you will admonish RYH for his poor attitude.

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

Yet another "Leavers are thick" reference.

PurpleMoonlight, I'm sure that you will admonish RYH for his poor attitude.

I doubt it. PM only sees "insults" from leave voters. He doesn't even recognise when he does it himself.

[PurpleMoonlight]

don4l said:

If you hadn't used selective quoting, then the answer would be evident.

I have said that I will adopt the same tone as the Remoaners.

"You're not exactly Warren Buffet" was meant to be an insult, don't you think?

Perhaps you would point us to the post where you criticised someone for calling Leavers racist bigots and xenophobes. Did you complain when the Remain side said that I was unemployed, uneducated council house dweller.

You appear to have one set of standards that you apply to Leavers, and a completely different set of standards for the Remoaners.

Is this the school playground? He called you a nasty name so you are going to call him one back?

Rise above it and be the better person.

[anonymous-user]

as we are dredging up old memes, this was my favourite.

[anonymous-user]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Is this the school playground? He called you a nasty name so you are going to call him one back?

Rise above it and be the better person.

Yes it is unfortunately - you have made it thus. Now go and make some jam.

[B'stard Child]

jsf said:

as we are dredging up old memes, this was my favourite.

I hadn't seen that one - or I don't remember it my favourite was



But then again I did like this one



And I liked this one



Damn there has been so many good ones