It Is Time For Us All To Take Responsibility For Our Future.

[glazbagun]

Crafty_ said:

The problem is that everyone is pulling in different directions.


It's a complete fking mess caused by poor campaigns on both sides, the personalities involved and the ignorance/lack of understanding of the voting electorate.

It's easy to be popular when you don't need to keep your promises. The Yes voters in Scotland were expecting everything from Irish aggressive low corp tax models to Norwegian socialist utopia. The white paper tried to make out that there'd be little change at all.

It would have torn Scotland up had it succeeded, but it's failure is quite unifying so long as everyone thinks they share the same dream.

I think this will lead to an even more fragmentation in a year, not less.

Theres the leave/remain divide. And the leavers will start feeling ignored again when they don't get all the Muslims evicted whilst getting more money for public services and a tax cut and more jobs for poorly educated Brits and a better pension and an escape from TTIP.

[Kermit power]

Murph7355 said:

Kermit power said:

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kurt535 said:

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A thread attempting to be positive...and two of probably five people I knew would be on it like a rat up a drainpipe don't let me down. Who said the world is in turmoil - with you guys around everyone knows exactly what they'll get. Thank you for confirming my faith in humanity and bring consistency to proceedings

I don't think I'm being negative, so much as just being realistic.

I love the sentiment of the OP's post, but I don't see how it's possible when so many people are effectively disenfranchised by living in ultra-safe seats.

Positive for me would be a system of PR. Yes, more uncertainty over who governs us, but I don't see why that is always perceived negatively by so many in this country?

My voting options as they stand are...

1. "I'm going to kick you really hard in the nuts because you're "rich" (by my core voters' perception of wealth) so I don't like you and I know you'll never vote for me in a month of Sundays anyway".

2. "I'm going to kick you slightly less hard in the nuts whilst telling you that I'm sticking up for your interests, because I know that you've really got no option but me, and I need to be seen to be kicking you in the nuts at least a bit to try and draw away some floating voters from the chap who is going to really kick you hard".

What I'd like is a system where my vote actually counts for something, and if that's flavouring the coalition we get rather than the current tired old political status quo, then I'll get really positive for you.

[Trigbert]

Kermit power said:

What I'd like is a system where my vote actually counts for something, and if that's flavouring the coalition we get rather than the current tired old political status quo, then I'll get really positive for you.

Agree totally, I live in a very safe Labour seat so no matter how I might want to protest IRAQ war, expenses scandal(s) etc its always going to be a Labour seat. This referendum is first time in 30 years I felt my vote counted.

[Murph7355]

Trigbert said:

Agree totally, I live in a very safe Labour seat so no matter how I might want to protest IRAQ war, expenses scandal(s) etc its always going to be a Labour seat. This referendum is first time in 30 years I felt my vote counted.

Kermit power said:

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What I'd like is a system where my vote actually counts for something, and if that's flavouring the coalition we get rather than the current tired old political status quo, then I'll get really positive for you.

Did you both vote in the electoral referendum in 2011?

[Kermit power]

Murph7355 said:

Trigbert said:

Agree totally, I live in a very safe Labour seat so no matter how I might want to protest IRAQ war, expenses scandal(s) etc its always going to be a Labour seat. This referendum is first time in 30 years I felt my vote counted.

Kermit power said:

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What I'd like is a system where my vote actually counts for something, and if that's flavouring the coalition we get rather than the current tired old political status quo, then I'll get really positive for you.

Did you both vote in the electoral referendum in 2011?

Yes. I've voted in every single election I've been eligible to vote for since 1988.

I even voted in the last Police Commissioner elections when there was absolutely NOTHING else to vote for at the same time, for fk's sake! That's how dedicated I remain to the democratic process, despite the fact that it's all frigging pointless with our current party system.

In case you're wondering, btw, I voted in favour or proportional representation.

[Banana Boy]

100% We are in a huge pickle right now, there is a lot that needs to change right, down to the very core of our political system! If we don't even try though we can only be certain of the fact that it'll never change!

For a long, long time I've shared the view that it's all pointless and unchangeable but this time last week most people thought that about our membership of the EU! Who knows what the future holds?!

[Einion Yrth]

Kermit power said:

In case you're wondering, btw, I voted in favour or proportional representation.

No, you didn't. You presumably voted in favour of A.V. It isn't in any way proportional and under some circumstances can make representation even less proportional.

[All that jazz]

Banana Boy said:

It also surprises and baffles me how politically vocal the current 'young' generation are yet as you say, how few actually made it to the voting booths?!

Because there was no "like" button to click and it meant getting up off their arses. That's the harsh truth of the matter.

[williamp]

By the way, has this thread been approved by EricMC, or can we assume this is post brexit what happens next thread?

[Banana Boy]

williamp said:

By the way, has this thread been approved by EricMC, or can we assume this is post brexit what happens next thread?

This isn't a 'what happens next' thread, it's a 'what are WE going to do next' thread.

An opportunity for positive discussion?!

[Catatafish]

Probably writing posts is not going to amount to much in the real world, in fact as an outlet for discontent, forums take a lot of the bile that would be otherwise directed into motivation for change in the real world.

If some idea is proposed it will be jumped on for any minor pedantic error, even before the "other" 50% (who were your mates but now keyboard warriored into retards/massive junckers) get started.