Will JC Juncker get the chop?
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don4l said:
So you are happy that we are effectively completely disenfranchised?
And you call this "democracy"?
Even more surprising is that you would write this on the Internet.
I understand that you are anonymous, and that in real life it doesn't really matter if we all think that you are completely bonkers. But...???
You think what has been written makes me sound bonkers And you call this "democracy"?
Even more surprising is that you would write this on the Internet.
I understand that you are anonymous, and that in real life it doesn't really matter if we all think that you are completely bonkers. But...???
?We voted for MEPs, unfortunately the 'parties' our MEPs associated themselves to were not the majority in the European Parliament, and so their leader was not put forward. Instead Juncker, the leader of the most populous party in the Parliament, was put forward as leader. The council then voted on it, and our council representative, Cameron, was not able to convince the other council members to vote against him.
How are we disenfranchised in that process? If you really believe that, then a large number of UK voters are disenfranchised in the UK, and will continue to be so once we leave the EU.
A whole bunch of people voted in an MP who is not part of the majority in the UK Parliament, and so their leader was not put forward. A whole bunch of people voted for an MP in the majority party, but perhaps their MP had not voted for Cameron to be PM, so by your logic they are disenfranchised as well.
Do you honestly believe that? If you do, I suggest that makes you sound more bonkers than me.
Looks like Juncker is having his commissioners (or employees of them) write emails to our MPs telling them to disregard the referendum:
https://twitter.com/HenrySmithMP/status/7498827849...
I suspect this will become big news soon...
https://twitter.com/HenrySmithMP/status/7498827849...
I suspect this will become big news soon...
Puggit said:
Looks like Juncker is having his commissioners (or employees of them) write emails to our MPs telling them to disregard the referendum:
https://twitter.com/HenrySmithMP/status/7498827849...
I suspect this will become big news soon...
Desperation to keep the Ponzi goinghttps://twitter.com/HenrySmithMP/status/7498827849...
I suspect this will become big news soon...
At the bottom of the letter is the following statement:
Anonymous Letter Writer said:
I am writing to all MPs as I don't have one of my own. (Full disclosure: I am a UK citizen who has been in Brussels for well over the 15-year cut-off point, working in the European Commission – yes, I am aware that you may see me as a turkey trying to overturn a vote for Christmas; I am currently on unpaid leave; am resident in Belgium, being able to support myself and maintain my own health insurance to the satisfaction of the Belgian authorities, in line with EU rules on freedom of movement; and am at present in Beijing, financing myself to study Chinese, which accounts for the postmark on the envelope of the mailed version of this letter, also sent by email.
Pretty sure this was not Juncker's doing.mattmurdock said:
You think what has been written makes me sound bonkers ?
We voted for MEPs, unfortunately the 'parties' our MEPs associated themselves to were not the majority in the European Parliament, and so their leader was not put forward. Instead Juncker, the leader of the most populous party in the Parliament, was put forward as leader. The council then voted on it, and our council representative, Cameron, was not able to convince the other council members to vote against him.
How are we disenfranchised in that process? If you really believe that, then a large number of UK voters are disenfranchised in the UK, and will continue to be so once we leave the EU.
Indeed they are. That's before you get on to such crazyness as those who are "lucky" enough to have the speaker or deputy speakers as their MP don't get any parliamentary votes at all. There is much wrong with our system.?We voted for MEPs, unfortunately the 'parties' our MEPs associated themselves to were not the majority in the European Parliament, and so their leader was not put forward. Instead Juncker, the leader of the most populous party in the Parliament, was put forward as leader. The council then voted on it, and our council representative, Cameron, was not able to convince the other council members to vote against him.
How are we disenfranchised in that process? If you really believe that, then a large number of UK voters are disenfranchised in the UK, and will continue to be so once we leave the EU.
However, in the case of Juncker, the entire population of the UK was disenfranchised.
Now, your argument is of the form "X is a bit bad, so you may as well have Y, which is twice as bad". As I've said a number of times before, you don't make the imperfect better by adding an extra layer which is worse on top of it. First secure what we have, then make it better.
ETA - for clarity, I think that people should (at least) have direct representation in votes on policy. That means, at most one layer removed from power. Not voting for someone who votes for someone who votes for someone who then gets to decide.
Edited by CrutyRammers on Tuesday 5th July 14:50
Puggit said:
Digger said:
Errr, as they say. . . source?
Not sure if Matt above was joking.
Assuming Matt's footer is correct then he says he works for the Commission. Hence, one of Juncker's employees. Not sure if Matt above was joking.
.The full text of the letter is on there, with the name redacted due to data protection. However, they reveal in the article that a woman wrote it.
Puggit, I think it stretches credulity a little to suggest that a woman who is currently on unpaid leave from her job and writing in her capacity as a UK citizen from China is part of some grand conspiracy coordinated by Juncker to bypass democracy.
Or are we to blame all personal decisions by employees on the organization that employs them?
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