Will JC Juncker get the chop?

[matrignano]

EU (EC, EP, ECJ, EIB etc.) staff earn very very good money.

My dad was a "senior middle manager" but not an official per se, in the EC, and he made €10k+ a month (that is net, remember). This was 10+ years ago before he retired.

[SpeckledJim]

matrignano said:

EU (EC, EP, ECJ, EIB etc.) staff earn very very good money.

My dad was a "senior middle manager" but not an official per se, in the EC, and he made €10k+ a month (that is net, remember). This was 10+ years ago before he retired.

“The creatures outside looked from senior EC middle manager to man, and from man to senior EC middle manager, and from senior EC middle manager to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”



To be honest though, if I got to decide my own salary, and drew it from an unaudited pile of cash belonging to people I'll never have to answer to, I'd be on a fair old lick as well.

[matrignano]

SpeckledJim said:

“The creatures outside looked from senior EC middle manager to man, and from man to senior EC middle manager, and from senior EC middle manager to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”



To be honest though, if I got to decide my own salary, and drew it from an unaudited pile of cash belonging to people I'll never have to answer to, I'd be on a fair old lick as well.

You'd be surprised actually, there is a fair amount of auditing and reporting back to the member states.
I guess though that the systems is rigged so that the member states (or rather, the leadership thereof) are happy to let the EU be ran as it is. MEPs for starters must lobby the member states quite hard to ensure the gravy train keeps chugging along.

Corruption exists at all level of politics, not sure why in the UK people are so focused on pointing out what goes on with the EU, when the same (at a smaller scale, granted), happens on their home turf.

[768]

matrignano said:

Corruption exists at all level of politics, not sure why in the UK people are so focused on pointing out what goes on with the EU, when the same (at a smaller scale, granted), happens on their home turf.

That bit is why. With all our problems we just don't have someone on 400k supposedly running the place while rolling around pissed.

[anonymous-user]

Smollet said:

Puggit said:

Coolbanana said:

amgmcqueen said:

It's astonishing that 16 odd million people voted for Britain to be ruled by that unelected, drunken muppet!

No, what's truly astonishing is how pig ignorant many are who make idiot statements. Juncker doesn't 'rule' over the UK and he was elected into his role. Do yourself a favour, get off your lazy backside and actually educate yourself as to what role the EU Commission has and what JCJ actually does and how he was elected to his position.

He wasn't elected by the people of Europe - he was elected by the Council of Europe. That's like saying Bercow was elected to the role of Speaker.

On a moot point he was appointed

Against the wishes of the UK.

[YankeePorker]

REALIST123 said:

Against the wishes of the UK.

And our government were shown to be right when 2 months later the tax shenanigans put in place in Luxembourg under his watch were revealed. Amazon still routes all their EU earnings through a holding company in Luxembourg that pays doodly squat in corporate tax and sends the money back to the US. He should have been fired at the time, here we are 5 years later.....

[Rovinghawk]

matrignano said:

You'd be surprised actually, there is a fair amount of auditing

When was the last time audited accounts were approved?

[gizlaroc]

YankeePorker said:

He should have been fired at the time, here we are 5 years later.....

He originally agreed he would step down down as PM and EU President after the tax scandal.

He did the former but then stayed on as EU President.

[matrignano]

Rovinghawk said:

When was the last time audited accounts were approved?

I work with one of the E entities I mentioned above, and all projects must follow a pre-agreed scope (think SLAs) because the member states get detailed reports, and apparently do look at them and push back if scope is stretched too much.

[thetrickcyclist]

matrignano said:

Rovinghawk said:

When was the last time audited accounts were approved?

I work with one of the E entities I mentioned above, and all projects must follow a pre-agreed scope (think SLAs) because the member states get detailed reports, and apparently do look at them and push back if scope is stretched too much.

[rigga]

Was under the impression no audit had ever been signed off?

[alfie2244]

rigga said:

Was under the impression no audit had ever been signed off?

IIRC some have but with caveats attached............could be wrong though.

[anonymous-user]

Burwood said:

Before the pay rise.

The basic salary of the president of the EU commission is € 25.554,58 per month or € 306.654,96 per year. On top of that he receives a residence allowance of 15% of the basic salary, which is € 45.998,24, and a monthly allowance for representation expenses of € 1.418,07, or annually € 17.016.84. The total annual compensation is € 369.670,04.

So, the 45k and 17k are most likely untaxed. Let's also remember he won't pay for any F&B or travel. Any old excuse to have a 'working' lunch or dinner. And his pension will be what, 80% final for life? Wait till he retires next year and he come back as a consultant on 1k per hour

Don't forget they aren't taxed at national rates either; they pay tax to the EU between 15 and 20%

[Dr Jekyll]

alfie2244 said:

rigga said:

Was under the impression no audit had ever been signed off?

IIRC some have but with caveats attached............could be wrong though.

Around 2007 the policy changed from 'we won't sign them off because we don't know where the money went' to 'we will sign them off even though we don't know where the money went'. So the EU claim everything in hunky dory now but clearly it isn't.

[Digga]

Dr Jekyll said:

alfie2244 said:

rigga said:

Was under the impression no audit had ever been signed off?

IIRC some have but with caveats attached............could be wrong though.

Around 2007 the policy changed from 'we won't sign them off because we don't know where the money went' to 'we will sign them off even though we don't know where the money went'. So the EU claim everything in hunky dory now but clearly it isn't.

As I understood it, the issue with an actual 'clean' audit related to the use of grants within some EU nation states <cough>Italy</cough> where there is a degree of opacity as to whether the letter if not the spirit of EU law has been followed.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Burwood said:

Before the pay rise.

The basic salary of the president of the EU commission is € 25.554,58 per month or € 306.654,96 per year. On top of that he receives a residence allowance of 15% of the basic salary, which is € 45.998,24, and a monthly allowance for representation expenses of € 1.418,07, or annually € 17.016.84. The total annual compensation is € 369.670,04.

So, the 45k and 17k are most likely untaxed. Let's also remember he won't pay for any F&B or travel. Any old excuse to have a 'working' lunch or dinner. And his pension will be what, 80% final for life? Wait till he retires next year and he come back as a consultant on 1k per hour

So a cost of living pay rise (would love one of those!) For someone whose costs of living are almost entirely covered for him. Nice.

[anonymous-user]

Dr Jekyll said:

alfie2244 said:

rigga said:

Was under the impression no audit had ever been signed off?

IIRC some have but with caveats attached............could be wrong though.

Around 2007 the policy changed from 'we won't sign them off because we don't know where the money went' to 'we will sign them off even though we don't know where the money went'. So the EU claim everything in hunky dory now but clearly it isn't.

They declared them 'fair and accurate' in 2007 and ever since but also said payments were not free from material error until 2016. In other words they were still handing out money to their freinds and fraudsters, they just started accounting for it properly. It's worth noting that this is not some kind of external audit but done by the EU themselves! How bad does it have to be for them to fail themselves?

[dandarez]

768 said:

matrignano said:

Corruption exists at all level of politics, not sure why in the UK people are so focused on pointing out what goes on with the EU, when the same (at a smaller scale, granted), happens on their home turf.

That bit is why. With all our problems we just don't have someone on 400k supposedly running the place while rolling around pissed.

Not just that bit.
WE also get a chance to vote out our aholes, even if they may get replaced by another ahole.

I saw a piece recently about Mr Drunker and it made a good and valid point. It was asking how DOES creepy Juncker get away with all his lecherous pouting and kissing of others, not just women too?

The journo said he's like a lascivious, sozzled old lech, leering towards his prey. His droopy wet lips gaping.
There was this pic to illustrate.


‘Oh, oh,’ he chunters, before fluffing and lifting up the woman’s hair.
He pulls her in roughly for a kiss, then homes in on another blonde for an unreciprocated slobber.
The first lady turns to a camera and her face showed it all, she was absolutely mortified.
But this sex pest is the esteemed, or rather the 'steaming' head of the EU, so one must accept his harassment.
Yet on the other side of the pond, lesser offences have got 'Times Up' and 'Me Too' going hysterical.
The journo goes on to say if Juncker was Trump, there would be a law suit filed!

So why aren't all the young Remainer anti Trump Me Too females jumping up and down about this lecherous git?
Because he's head of their lovely jubbly EU and anything goes?
This vastly overpaid idiot who remoaners back is the one shaping OUR destiny, while he casually slobbers (females) and staggers on…

The sooner we have left, completely, the better!

[Rich_W]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Burwood said:

Before the pay rise.

The basic salary of the president of the EU commission is € 25.554,58 per month or € 306.654,96 per year. On top of that he receives a residence allowance of 15% of the basic salary, which is € 45.998,24, and a monthly allowance for representation expenses of € 1.418,07, or annually € 17.016.84. The total annual compensation is € 369.670,04.

So, the 45k and 17k are most likely untaxed. Let's also remember he won't pay for any F&B or travel. Any old excuse to have a 'working' lunch or dinner. And his pension will be what, 80% final for life? Wait till he retires next year and he come back as a consultant on 1k per hour

So a cost of living pay rise (would love one of those!) For someone whose costs of living are almost entirely covered for him. Nice.

Better than that. He (like all EU staff) doesn't pay income Tax either!

Oh and he blocked EU curbs on tax avoidance when head of Luxembourg (Corruption dogged his life there. It's only right he should end up in Brussels )

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/j...

Imagine my surprise...

[kayc]

dandarez said:

Not just that bit.
WE also get a chance to vote out our aholes, even if they may get replaced by another ahole.

I saw a piece recently about Mr Drunker and it made a good and valid point. It was asking how DOES creepy Juncker get away with all his lecherous pouting and kissing of others, not just women too?

The journo said he's like a lascivious, sozzled old lech, leering towards his prey. His droopy wet lips gaping.
There was this pic to illustrate.


‘Oh, oh,’ he chunters, before fluffing and lifting up the woman’s hair.
He pulls her in roughly for a kiss, then homes in on another blonde for an unreciprocated slobber.
The first lady turns to a camera and her face showed it all, she was absolutely mortified.
But this sex pest is the esteemed, or rather the 'steaming' head of the EU, so one must accept his harassment.
Yet on the other side of the pond, lesser offences have got 'Times Up' and 'Me Too' going hysterical.
The journo goes on to say if Juncker was Trump, there would be a law suit filed!

So why aren't all the young Remainer anti Trump Me Too females jumping up and down about this lecherous git?
Because he's head of their lovely jubbly EU and anything goes?
This vastly overpaid idiot who remoaners back is the one shaping OUR destiny, while he casually slobbers (females) and staggers on…

The sooner we have left, completely, the better!

100%..guy is a total joke..must spend a lot of personal time thinking how the fk do I get away with this!!