Farage in Brussels - a national embarrassment

Farage in Brussels - a national embarrassment

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lostkiwi

4,584 posts

123 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Turquoise said:
Crafty_ said:
lostkiwi said:
This thread is entirely the reason Farage should not be involved in Brexit negotiations.
He may be a good politician (I personally don't agree I hasten to add) but he is not a good negotiator.
He is far too divisive to be an asset in any negotiations, not just with the EU but with the electorate.
I agree and don't think he will want to be involved in negotiations, because that means he has to take some responsibility. He doesn't want to do that, he prefers to stand on the sidelines shouting and jeering. When this all goes pearshaped he'll be blaming whichever Government is in power for not doing it right.
As the leader of a national political party he's had more responsibility than you two will ever see.
Relevance to what I said?

EnglishTony

2,552 posts

98 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Turquoise said:
As the leader of a national political party he's had more responsibility than you two will ever see.
Maybe so but as he's just encouraged people to vote for something that will make him unemployed it is a bit like a turkey voting for Xmas.




Edited by EnglishTony on Tuesday 28th June 15:44

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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TTwiggy said:
So in 25 years it will have covered the £250bn that the BOE had to pump into the economy after the vote result. When can I expect my new hospital?
Oh I see? You think that the BoE providing £250bn of liquidity support is the same as £250bn of public spending?

Righto!

Du1point8

21,604 posts

191 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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mwstewart said:
Du1point8 said:
Sam All said:
Zod said:
don4l said:
we are all better off to the tune of £10Bn a year.
please show your working.
Net contribution, but as we all know it is not as simple as that. The loss in trade could easily drown that (will hurt both parties), equally new trade could enhance it for us- in time.
The gain in trade could easily eclipse that, from the new reports Germany don't want to hurt the UK despite the fact Juncker does as they know it could mean loss of jobs and money that is unnecessary.

How long before US/China/etc line up trade agreements... How long before EU state, that if you deal with UK, you lose the EU as a trade partner to be petty?
I posted https://next.ft.com/content/d35362a0-3c57-11e6-871... yesterday.
can't see with out paying.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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I wasn't impressed by Farage this morning but I don't think he was any worse than most of the others.

The EU doesn't work on any rational level. It's populated by a group of self serving, arrogant people and the higher they are the worse they are.

The proof is in the fact that, even though every member is suffering from the fall out, non of them want to discuss in a reasonable way, the way forward. All they want to do is hurl insults and strive for revenge. My toddler grandkids behave better.

mwstewart

7,554 posts

187 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Du1point8 said:
can't see with out paying.
Ahh.

India accentuates the positive on Brexit

by: Simon Mundy in Mumbai and Amy Kazmin in New Delhi

As the UK’s Brexit vote sparks widespread global dismay, some lawmakers and businesspeople in India are seeing the upside of their former colonial power’s decision.

Indian policymakers believe New Delhi could quickly negotiate a new trade agreement with a Britain disentangled from the EU, which has failed to conclude talks on a trade deal with India.

“The UK is going to look to build its relationships with the rest of the world, and will seek to pursue new opportunities with us,” Jayant Sinha, India’s deputy finance minister, told the Financial Times.

Talks on an India-EU trade deal began nearly a decade ago but quickly stalled. Swapan Dasgupta, an independent member of parliament close to the ruling Bharatiya Janata party, said concluding an India-UK trade deal would be far easier.

“If an FTA [free-trade agreement] negotiating unit is 25 constituent countries with their own pluses and minuses, you are not going to get to some sort of common ground where the losses balance the gains,” he said. “But there is a far greater chance of it with the UK. We understand each other, and there is very little clash in what we want.”

BK Goenka, chairman of Welspun Group, a textile and pipe manufacturer with revenues of about $3bn a year, agreed that Brexit would open new opportunities. “For us, I think it will be better,” he told the Financial Times. “Tariffs on both sides will come down. It’s a win-win scenario for both our countries.”

Mr Goenka said he would seek to take advantage of the relatively weak pound to acquire UK textile brands and distribution companies. “This is the time to invest in the UK,” he said.

However, others are less sanguine. Sanjeev Prasad, head of research at Kotak Institutional Equities, played down the potential benefits to India of a bilateral trade pact with Britain, noting that the UK accounted for just 3 per cent of Indian exports last year.

He also noted that companies such as Tata Steel and Tata Motors — which have big manufacturing operations in the UK — will suffer from any new trade barriers between the UK and the EU. Extended pound weakness in the pound will hurt Indian companies with significant sales to the UK.

Akshay Chudasama, managing partner of the Indian corporate law firm Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas, said Indian companies using the UK as a base for European operations — which include big IT groups and pharmaceutical companies — must now “examine whether it makes sense for them” to remain in Britain, or consider moving operations to Frankfurt or Paris.

“It may also be a situation where you’re not even sure if the EU will be around in three or four years,” he added.

R Chandrasekhar, president of Indian IT industry association Nasscom, said that despite the questions about the feasibility of using the UK as a base for Europe, IT companies saw potential benefits in Brexit too, including the potential for less regulation.

crankedup

25,764 posts

242 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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REALIST123 said:
I wasn't impressed by Farage this morning but I don't think he was any worse than most of the others.

The EU doesn't work on any rational level. It's populated by a group of self serving, arrogant people and the higher they are the worse they are.

The proof is in the fact that, even though every member is suffering from the fall out, non of them want to discuss in a reasonable way, the way forward. All they want to do is hurl insults and strive for revenge. My toddler grandkids behave better.
After years of mockery thrown farage's way by all of those unelected pompous EU rep's I expect farage really enjoyed his moment, and why not.

As for your second para', couldn't agree more, but I thought for a moment you were talking about some PH posters.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

127 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Well the Scottish MEP was Cinderella and got warm applause.

Then the pantomime villain came on. Rather than "he's behind you" he was in front and made the most of it.

It's people getting their time in the spotlight, the fact is though how relevant is this extra level of politics?

It's more important than the Lords, but even so, needs to change.


TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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sidicks said:
TTwiggy said:
So in 25 years it will have covered the £250bn that the BOE had to pump into the economy after the vote result. When can I expect my new hospital?
Oh I see? You think that the BoE providing £250bn of liquidity support is the same as £250bn of public spending?

Righto!
I don't believe I said anything of the sort. But it's not 'free money' is it? And 'we' will pay for it in some way or other. So, when can I expect my new hospital?

Sam All

3,101 posts

100 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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TTwiggy said:
sidicks said:
TTwiggy said:
So in 25 years it will have covered the £250bn that the BOE had to pump into the economy after the vote result. When can I expect my new hospital?
Oh I see? You think that the BoE providing £250bn of liquidity support is the same as £250bn of public spending?

Righto!
I don't believe I said anything of the sort. But it's not 'free money' is it? And 'we' will pay for it in some way or other. So, when can I expect my new hospital?
Might not need any more as the population explosion slows down wink

TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Sam All said:
Might not need any more as the population explosion slows down wink
Well, last time I checked it was aging, so I think we will need them. That's not the point though - if you write all over your campaign bus that you'll invest an extra £350m a week in the NHS, I expect to see where that money goes. So, when do I get my new hospital? smile

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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TTwiggy said:
I don't believe I said anything of the sort. But it's not 'free money' is it? And 'we' will pay for it in some way or other. So, when can I expect my new hospital?
How are we paying for it? Aren't the banks paying us for it?

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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TTwiggy said:
Well, last time I checked it was aging, so I think we will need them. That's not the point though - if you write all over your campaign bus that you'll invest an extra £350m a week in the NHS, I expect to see where that money goes. So, when do I get my new hospital? smile
There'll probably be more chance once we exit and stop paying the money...how big did you want the feckin bus to be in order to get all the caveats and explanations sufficient enough to cover the full breadth of understanding in the country? A 54 decker?

(And please don't whine about the 350 figure. I agree it was a silly number to put up in that way. I don't think anyone denies it's a 3-figure million sum per week though. Which is still a horrendous amount of money in anyone's book).

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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OzzyR1 said:
don4l said:
Meanwhile, I wonder why the queen is looking so happy?

£14 million bonus on the cards this year.
About 5% of what we send to Brussels every day, or 22p per person.

Superb value.

Username888

505 posts

200 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Sam All said:
I agree, but as a point of order he's never been voted into any position within British politics and he's tried and tried but failed to ever get a seat ay Westminster - because he's a massive tool and you can't hide the fact.
Actually the Conservative MP that beat Farage in Thanet did so illegally, as ruled by a judge, - currently being investigated, so in all fairness, he has every right, now, to be an MP.

Interestingly also, Thanet South is just one of over 20 seats under scrutiny following claims of illegal overspending, but it is the only one where the sitting MP has tried to block an investigation.



don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Du1point8 said:
can't see with out paying.
If you paste the link, then click from Google you will be able to read it.

TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Murph7355 said:
There'll probably be more chance once we exit and stop paying the money...how big did you want the feckin bus to be in order to get all the caveats and explanations sufficient enough to cover the full breadth of understanding in the country? A 54 decker?

(And please don't whine about the 350 figure. I agree it was a silly number to put up in that way. I don't think anyone denies it's a 3-figure million sum per week though. Which is still a horrendous amount of money in anyone's book).
I'm confused - was it 'silly' or a 'lie'?

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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alfie2244 said:
FredClogs said:
Not many people share Farage's political views as is evidenced by his continual failure to win an election in his own name.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/judge-says-nigel-farages-defeat-by-tories-could-be-ruled-void-ov/
The rectification of a couple of dodgy Tory bar bills and expenses claims isn't going to make Farage any more palatable to the majority of Brits, even those in Essex.

TTwiggy

11,500 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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FredClogs said:
The rectification of a couple of dodgy Tory bar bills and expenses claims isn't going to make Farage any more palatable to the majority of Brits, even those in Essex.
Point of order - Thanet is in Kent.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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FredClogs said:
alfie2244 said:
FredClogs said:
Not many people share Farage's political views as is evidenced by his continual failure to win an election in his own name.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/judge-says-nigel-farages-defeat-by-tories-could-be-ruled-void-ov/
The rectification of a couple of dodgy Tory bar bills and expenses claims isn't going to make Farage any more palatable to the majority of Brits, even those in Essex.
Essex? biggrin