Farage in Brussels - a national embarrassment

[alfie2244]

lostkiwi said:

alfie2244 said:

sidicks said:

TTwiggy said:

Well, last time I checked it was aging, so I think we will need them. That's not the point though - if you write all over your campaign bus that you'll invest an extra £350m a week in the NHS, I expect to see where that money goes. So, when do I get my new hospital?

If you're going to make such a fuss about this, you might want to acknowledge what the message actually said:

"We send the EU £350m a week, let's fund our NHS instead."

There is nothing explicit in that stament that says that all £350m will be spent on the NHS, just that more money would be available for the NHS if we weren't sending it to the EU.

Maybe the intention was for the public to link the two issues directly, but given that's not what the statement says, calling it a lie is blatantly wrong.

Farage in Brussels - He had nothing to do with said campaign bus but don't let this get in the way eh?

Oh yeah - his effort was the poster showing refugees crossing a border and implying it was linked to immigration.....

Not the best I admit but no worse than this IMO: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendu...

[plasticpig]

alfie2244 said:

Indeed but the title of this thread is about Farage in Brussels...so why is the official leave campaign bus / posters etc being linked with him on this thread

I don't know why the other poster mentioned the bus. I was specifically addressing the point by sidicks that the bus message did not mean the whole £350 million was allegedly going to be spent on the NHS.

[Esseesse]

TTwiggy said:

alfie2244 said:

Farage had nowt to do with this poster or the Leave campaign

Farage wasn't a part of the leave campaign? Are you sure? I sort of understand it's rather his 'thing'?

The 'Vote Leave' campaign was largely a Tory campaign and spent quite a while distancing itself from Farage who really leaned the Leave.EU way (or GO).

[technodup]

FredClogs said:

Not really though is it, because as we're finding out the leave vote is split between those, like Boris, who wanted to leave the EU but remain in the common market and continue with free movement and this like Farage that want to divorce ourselves completely.

Not many people share Farage's political views as is evidenced by his continual failure to win an election in his own name.

Don't talk st, Nigel Farage has ONE political view that we all know about. The rest is a muddle of left and right attempting to appeal to whoever they're speaking to at the time.

On that basis 4m voted UKIP last GE. And 17m voted leave last week. The fact FPTP (and allegedly dodgy election spending by desperate Tories) has conspired to keep him out Westminster doesn't alter those numbers.

It's about as democratic as you can get.

[TTwiggy]

plasticpig said:

alfie2244 said:

Indeed but the title of this thread is about Farage in Brussels...so why is the official leave campaign bus / posters etc being linked with him on this thread

I don't know why the other poster mentioned the bus. I was specifically addressing the point by sidicks that the bus message did not mean the whole £350 million was allegedly going to be spent on the NHS.

I mentioned the bus, but only in passing and only from a POV of questioning of Don4l's 'we'll be $10bn a year better off' statement. Discussions evolve, I had no intention of dragging the thread 'off-topic'.

[Balmoral]

The 350 million a week on the bus was a gross figure and it is accurate(ish).
The 10 billion a year is a net figure and it is accurate(ish).
The 350 million will not go to the NHS.
The 10 billion will now prop up the economy.

HTH.

Edited by Balmoral on Tuesday 28th June 16:41

[handpaper]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I think Farage has always had the 'stretch goal' of destroying the EU; he doesn't just think it's bad for Britain.

And a bit offtopic - Although he hasn't been the only campaigner, I can think of no-one in recent years who has spent so long being ridiculed, smeared and vilified for a cause but who has striven through it all to help change the course of a nation. It has been a Herculean effort, and whether you agree with him or not, I think some recognition is in order.

"Arise Sir Nigel" has a ring to it, n'est-ce pas?

[alfie2244]

plasticpig said:

alfie2244 said:

Indeed but the title of this thread is about Farage in Brussels...so why is the official leave campaign bus / posters etc being linked with him on this thread

I don't know why the other poster mentioned the bus. I was specifically addressing the point by sidicks that the bus message did not mean the whole £350 million was allegedly going to be spent on the NHS.

To be fair the message was misleading to people that just take things at face value.....to me it was clear the message was designed to show we could choose to spend very large sums of extra money on things of our choosing rather then it being sent to the EU or part returned with strings attached.

My issue with all this is that all sides were guilty of scaremongering and this referendum and political processes have been much the poorer for it.

[lostkiwi]

handpaper said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I think Farage has always had the 'stretch goal' of destroying the EU; he doesn't just think it's bad for Britain.

And a bit offtopic - Although he hasn't been the only campaigner, I can think of no-one in recent years who has spent so long being ridiculed, smeared and vilified for a cause but who has striven through it all to help change the course of a nation. It has been a Herculean effort, and whether you agree with him or not, I think some recognition is in order.

"Arise Sir Nigel" has a ring to it, n'est-ce pas?

For services to his Ego...?

[FredClogs]

technodup said:

FredClogs said:

Not really though is it, because as we're finding out the leave vote is split between those, like Boris, who wanted to leave the EU but remain in the common market and continue with free movement and this like Farage that want to divorce ourselves completely.

Not many people share Farage's political views as is evidenced by his continual failure to win an election in his own name.

Don't talk st, Nigel Farage has ONE political view that we all know about. The rest is a muddle of left and right attempting to appeal to whoever they're speaking to at the time.

On that basis 4m voted UKIP last GE. And 17m voted leave last week. The fact FPTP (and allegedly dodgy election spending by desperate Tories) has conspired to keep him out Westminster doesn't alter those numbers.

It's about as democratic as you can get.

So it's the system that has conspired to stop Nige (over 20 years and 7 seperate attempts) to win a seat as Westminster, hmmmm, nothing to do with the fact he's a tool box. Ok. So the UK isn't very democratic is it, if a man of his supposed caliber can be so often over looked / ignored. Seems the European style (apparently undemocratic and dictatorial if you believe the leavers) is the only one which Farage can get elected under.... Oh the irony...

[alfie2244]

TTwiggy said:

plasticpig said:

alfie2244 said:

Indeed but the title of this thread is about Farage in Brussels...so why is the official leave campaign bus / posters etc being linked with him on this thread

I don't know why the other poster mentioned the bus. I was specifically addressing the point by sidicks that the bus message did not mean the whole £350 million was allegedly going to be spent on the NHS.

I mentioned the bus, but only in passing and only from a POV of questioning of Don4l's 'we'll be $10bn a year better off' statement. Discussions evolve, I had no intention of dragging the thread 'off-topic'.

All that bloody Don4l's fault then.........bloody foreigners

[Jockman]

alfie2244 said:

Vote Leave Campaign Committee http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/campaign

The Vote Leave Campaign Committee is the governing body that will meet weekly to set the campaign strategy for Vote Leave

Rt Hon Michael Gove MP (Co-Convener) *

Rt Hon Gisela Stuart MP (Co-Convener) *

Matthew Elliott (Chief Executive) *

Dominic Cummings (Campaign Director) *

Steve Baker MP

Ian Davidson *

Nigel Dodds MP

Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith MP

Rt Hon Frank Field MP

Lord Forsyth

Rt Hon Liam Fox MP

Rt Hon Chris Grayling MP

Dan Hannan MEP

Boris Johnson MP *

Paul Keetch

Lord Lawson

Andrea Leadsom MP

John Longworth

Lord Owen

Rt Hon Priti Patel MP

Dominic Raab MP

Graham Stringer MP

Rt Hon Theresa Villiers MP

Rt Hon John Whittingdale MP

• Denotes the core group which will coordinate between campaign committee meetings and meet on a daily basis.

Where's Baroness Warsi

[plasticpig]

alfie2244 said:

To be fair the message was misleading to people that just take things at face value.....to me it was clear the message was designed to show we could choose to spend very large sums of extra money on things of our choosing rather then it being sent to the EU or part returned with strings attached.

My issue with all this is that all sides were guilty of scaremongering and this referendum and political processes have been much the poorer for it.

Whoever the government is when article 50 is invoked; chooses to go down the EEA/EFTA route there will be not much spare money for anything. Something which I think Farage is very concerned about.

[alfie2244]

FredClogs said:

technodup said:

FredClogs said:

Not really though is it, because as we're finding out the leave vote is split between those, like Boris, who wanted to leave the EU but remain in the common market and continue with free movement and this like Farage that want to divorce ourselves completely.

Not many people share Farage's political views as is evidenced by his continual failure to win an election in his own name.

Don't talk st, Nigel Farage has ONE political view that we all know about. The rest is a muddle of left and right attempting to appeal to whoever they're speaking to at the time.

On that basis 4m voted UKIP last GE. And 17m voted leave last week. The fact FPTP (and allegedly dodgy election spending by desperate Tories) has conspired to keep him out Westminster doesn't alter those numbers.

It's about as democratic as you can get.

So it's the system that has conspired to stop Nige (over 20 years and 7 seperate attempts) to win a seat as Westminster, hmmmm, nothing to do with the fact he's a tool box. Ok. So the UK isn't very democratic is it, if a man of his supposed caliber can be so often over looked / ignored. Seems the European style (apparently undemocratic and dictatorial if you believe the leavers) is the only one which Farage can get elected under.... Oh the irony...

Perhaps he should move to Essex?

[lostkiwi]

FredClogs said:

technodup said:

FredClogs said:

Not really though is it, because as we're finding out the leave vote is split between those, like Boris, who wanted to leave the EU but remain in the common market and continue with free movement and this like Farage that want to divorce ourselves completely.

Not many people share Farage's political views as is evidenced by his continual failure to win an election in his own name.

Don't talk st, Nigel Farage has ONE political view that we all know about. The rest is a muddle of left and right attempting to appeal to whoever they're speaking to at the time.

On that basis 4m voted UKIP last GE. And 17m voted leave last week. The fact FPTP (and allegedly dodgy election spending by desperate Tories) has conspired to keep him out Westminster doesn't alter those numbers.

It's about as democratic as you can get.

So it's the system that has conspired to stop Nige (over 20 years and 7 seperate attempts) to win a seat as Westminster, hmmmm, nothing to do with the fact he's a tool box. Ok. So the UK isn't very democratic is it, if a man of his supposed caliber can be so often over looked / ignored. Seems the European style (apparently undemocratic and dictatorial if you believe the leavers) is the only one which Farage can get elected under.... Oh the irony...

Oh and of course his mate Boris (if he gets made PM) could put him up in to the democratically elected house of Lords... oh hang on....

[technodup]

FredClogs said:

So it's the system that has conspired to stop Nige (over 20 years and 7 seperate attempts) to win a seat as Westminster, hmmmm, nothing to do with the fact he's a tool box. Ok.

It's well known that FPTP favours the big parties. Go and ask the Greens, LibDems or any other small party how many times they've stood and won a proportionally small number of seats.

FredClogs said:

Seems the European style (apparently undemocratic and dictatorial if you believe the leavers) is the only one which Farage can get elected under.... Oh the irony...

Nothing ironic about it, he's been trying to break it ever since he got in.

[FredClogs]

lostkiwi said:

Oh and of course his mate Boris (if he gets made PM) could put him up in to the democratically elected house of Lords... oh hang on....

I'd like to think that won't happen, I don't think the two of them get on.

That's what I'd like to think but you never know.

[GetCarter]

Politics aside.

If you win, you don't try and rub the faces of the losers in the dirt.

Farage may have a British passport, but he certainly doesn't act like a fair minded Brit. Shame on his piss poor behaviour.

[Balmoral]

Jockman said:

Where's Baroness Warsi

She switched to remain at the last moment.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Balmoral said:

The 10 billion will now prop up the economy.

HTH.

no it wont, it will be the annual fee we have to pay to be in the free market, along with accepting free migration