Farage in Brussels - a national embarrassment
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alfie2244 said:
Did you watch before he spoke? perhaps you should and come back again..........he's a better man than me under such conditions that's for sure.
I give you the right wing view of his day in the limelight (I think you can imagine what the left wing will think):http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/nigel-f...
..and if you listen to his speech in full, you'll see why Europe hate us so much, and why they will now shaft us.
Edited by GetCarter on Tuesday 28th June 17:22
optimal909 said:
Well, as a Hungarian citizen I will definitely miss his voice in the EU, which has far too many Junckers, Verhofstadts, and not enough Farages.
Quite right, it's strange, whenever a 'foreigner' (am I allowed to say that?!) says anything like this, it goes without comment, I think a lot of people in Europe appreciate exactly what Farage is doing! You can borrow him for £350m per week!
ash73 said:
It's Farage's democratic right to speak his mind, and I think he has bigger fish to fry than just UK membership.
There may well not be any fish left to fry, it depends on how we negotiate our withdrawal from our common fisheries commitments. After last nights defeat to Iceland in the footer don't be surprised if "Cod Wars" becomes a headline again at some point in the next decade.
stuttgartmetal said:
If this is all about £350 Del, can't we all just bung in a tenner ?
Jokes aside DS, I still can't believe people a quite so ill informed.
I don't think it is conceited to suggest that many of those who voted believed what they were told. They believed that all foreigners would go back to where they came from and we'd have a better NHS three days after the vote. Jokes aside DS, I still can't believe people a quite so ill informed.
They are entitled to their opinion and beliefs. I've got no problem with that, and I'll enjoy arguing with them. But their votes had the same weight as mine.
It's not the first time lies have convinced the electorate. It won't be the last. But there is no extra money. None. The amount isn't the issue, it's the fact that it was a lie that we would be better off on exit.
I dislike being lied to but I expected nothing else from Johnson. I expected better from Gove and from what I can remember, he did not mention £350m.
If we opt for what Johnson has suggested, the Norwegian Option, we will be worse off with no benefits.
All this wailing and gnashing of teeth is great fun to watch.
Nigel is now one of the most recognisable politicians around the globe.
He has stuck by his principles for more than 20 years.
He is a beacon of intefrity is a sea of corruption, deceit and dishonesty.
Of course he should be given a knighthood.
We need to get an e-petition going.
Nigel is now one of the most recognisable politicians around the globe.
He has stuck by his principles for more than 20 years.
He is a beacon of intefrity is a sea of corruption, deceit and dishonesty.
Of course he should be given a knighthood.
We need to get an e-petition going.
markh1973 said:
alfie2244 said:
Perhaps he should move to Essex?
If he moves to Essex can I have his nice country house - it's bigger than mine but still convenient for work.DMN said:
If someone is drawing a wage, I expect them to earn it.
I voted for ukip as an eu protest vote.I wanted mr farage to spend every breath he could muster fighting for Britain to leave the eu. What a cracking job he did.
A vote I dont regret.
If you honestly cant see that Nigel farage worked hard in the interests of those that voted for him then frankly youre an idiot. Whether you agree with him or not is an entirely different matter.
philv said:
Anyone impressed by Juncker's childish attitude?
"why are you here?".
The prick is a good part of the reason there was a brexit.
His attitude and comments.
The speaker - or whatever he's called in the European parliament - was pretty funny getting them back into line... "Ladies and Gentlemen, I know you're emotional, but please, you're behaving like UKIP!" "why are you here?".
The prick is a good part of the reason there was a brexit.
His attitude and comments.
TTwiggy said:
lostkiwi said:
Um.... Not happy with that - thats where my family is descended from!
Can't we find somewhere further away and colder...?
The Falklands? That could actually be quite amusing from all angles.Can't we find somewhere further away and colder...?
He might have an awkward time down at Deanos Bar in Stanley explaining why those nice new Benny hats everyone was looking forward to won't be happening after all.
FredClogs said:
ash73 said:
It's Farage's democratic right to speak his mind, and I think he has bigger fish to fry than just UK membership.
There may well not be any fish left to fry, it depends on how we negotiate our withdrawal from our common fisheries commitments. After last nights defeat to Iceland in the footer don't be surprised if "Cod Wars" becomes a headline again at some point in the next decade.
ash73 said:
It's Farage's democratic right to speak his mind, and I think he has bigger fish to fry than just UK membership; he wants to burn the whole thing to the ground. He can't achieve that by adopting a conciliatory tone.
I'd prefer to see them working as a team; bluntness can be extremely effective in a negotiation and call-me-Dave could make good use of it, while distancing himself as the voice of reason.
Farage was ostricised from Leave which is why he couldnt answer anything about the £350m NHSI'd prefer to see them working as a team; bluntness can be extremely effective in a negotiation and call-me-Dave could make good use of it, while distancing himself as the voice of reason.
He certainly took a very uncomfortable line- whats the point in accusing people of not having proper jobs?
Benbay001 said:
I voted for ukip as an eu protest vote.
I wanted mr farage to spend every breath he could muster fighting for Britain to leave the eu. What a cracking job he did.
A vote I dont regret.
If you honestly cant see that Nigel farage worked hard in the interests of those that voted for him then frankly youre an idiot. Whether you agree with him or not is an entirely different matter.
His campaign to leave the EU was his mandate as leader of Ukip. It was not his 'job' in Brussels. He was elected to represent his constituents and UK interests at the EU Parliament. Success on one front does not equate with success on all fronts.I wanted mr farage to spend every breath he could muster fighting for Britain to leave the eu. What a cracking job he did.
A vote I dont regret.
If you honestly cant see that Nigel farage worked hard in the interests of those that voted for him then frankly youre an idiot. Whether you agree with him or not is an entirely different matter.
Derek Smith said:
Balmoral said:
The 350 million a week on the bus was a gross figure and it is accurate(ish).
The 10 billion a year is a net figure and it is accurate(ish).
The 350 million will not go to the NHS.
The 10 billion will now prop up the economy.
HTH.
Ye gods. Are you for real.The 10 billion a year is a net figure and it is accurate(ish).
The 350 million will not go to the NHS.
The 10 billion will now prop up the economy.
HTH.
Edited by Balmoral on Tuesday 28th June 16:41
There is no extra money. Look around you to see what's happened. We are poorer since the vote and likely to remain so for some time beyond exit.
£350 was meant to mislead and probably did.
alfie2244 said:
markh1973 said:
alfie2244 said:
Perhaps he should move to Essex?
If he moves to Essex can I have his nice country house - it's bigger than mine but still convenient for work.saaby93 said:
Farage was ostricised from Leave which is why he couldnt answer anything about the £350m NHS
He certainly took a very uncomfortable line- whats the point in accusing people of not having proper jobs?
I suspect he is trying to goad them into pressing for the UK to leave immediately before sanity returns.He certainly took a very uncomfortable line- whats the point in accusing people of not having proper jobs?
eharding said:
TTwiggy said:
lostkiwi said:
Um.... Not happy with that - thats where my family is descended from!
Can't we find somewhere further away and colder...?
The Falklands? That could actually be quite amusing from all angles.Can't we find somewhere further away and colder...?
He might have an awkward time down at Deanos Bar in Stanley explaining why those nice new Benny hats everyone was looking forward to won't be happening after all.
lostkiwi said:
Geldof yes. But at least he has done a lot for charity even if I don't agree with is politics or methods.
Churchill and Thatcher - no. All thoroughly deserving for their work at making the UK a better place (Thatcher is contentious but she did lead the UK through some difficult times).
The others I don't know enough about to say.
As it stands Farage has done what? Create a huge division in the nation, create the possibility of a self made recession and given a number of thugs a legitimate (in their eyes) reason to go bullying foreigners. As yet there is no evidence to suggest anything he has done will benefit the UK or UK electorate.
Peter Tatchell - long-term Gay rights campaigner, been beaten up a few times, notably while trying to arrest PutinChurchill and Thatcher - no. All thoroughly deserving for their work at making the UK a better place (Thatcher is contentious but she did lead the UK through some difficult times).
The others I don't know enough about to say.
As it stands Farage has done what? Create a huge division in the nation, create the possibility of a self made recession and given a number of thugs a legitimate (in their eyes) reason to go bullying foreigners. As yet there is no evidence to suggest anything he has done will benefit the UK or UK electorate.
Nye Bevan - created the NHS
Michael Foot - Labour Leader 1980-83, author of "the longest suicide note in history" (1983 Labour manifesto). Previously, as Secretary of State for Employment, introduced the Health and Safety at Work Act, 1974
If I ask a question, and half the country gives one answer, and the other half another, have I "created division"? Or just exposed it? Should we know what we, and others, think? Or should we just shut up and believe what we're told?
Every politician, activist, campaigner is going to expose divisions; not everyone will agree with them, some will actively oppose. This is democracy, born of debate.
Criticising someone for holding 'divisive' opinions is like criticising water for being wet - all opinions are to a greater or lesser extent divisive. I hesitate to ascribe intentions, but I cannot help but think that those making these attacks are not interested in debate, and don't especially value democracy either.
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