Farage in Brussels - a national embarrassment
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Sam All said:
el stovey said:
sidicks said:
MDMetal said:
He's no racist but he's as slimey as Alex Salmond, how many times has he resigned or changed his mind now? The core problem is whatever his noble intensions the way he had to get here was to try and pull alot of racists slightly left enough to vote. I agree with the result but the sad fact is we arrived here by courting a lot of racists. It's a question of a lot of people agreeing with his views for the wrong reasons basically.
What an ignorant comment - how many of the 17m voters that supported Brexit do you think are racists?Tell me more
Axionknight said:
Sam All said:
He was surrounded by the enemy - he did well.
I don't think he did, I thought his speech was a bit rambling and poorly constructed, which on such a momentous occasion for him is a surprise as he is normally a good speaker.Username888]... so many people believe the media spin put on [Farage said:
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...Corbyn has spent much of his career with people who deny the holocaust and want to exterminate Jews.
...Corbyn has spent much of his career with people who deny the holocaust and want to exterminate Jews.
V8A*ndy said:
I've always said that our TV networks and reporters should have covered Brussels in much more detail.
I suppose no one was interested until now.
Yeah, good point. I suppose no one was interested until now.
It's pointless calling people names for voting either way when almost all of us only had exposure to what the EU did from the mainstream media, who have used them as a handy scapegoat to blame everything on. We can only base our opinion on the information we're given.
I suspect what we'll learn over the next few months and years is that all our problems will not suddenly be fixed because the EU didn't actually dominate our lives at all, and was more like an admin department than an evil overlord. The biggest difference is that we no longer have somebody to blame.
This whole referendum has been a massive failure of the British Government and media more than the EU itself.
lostkiwi said:
This thread is entirely the reason Farage should not be involved in Brexit negotiations.
He may be a good politician (I personally don't agree I hasten to add) but he is not a good negotiator.
He is far too divisive to be an asset in any negotiations, not just with the EU but with the electorate.
I agree and don't think he will want to be involved in negotiations, because that means he has to take some responsibility. He doesn't want to do that, he prefers to stand on the sidelines shouting and jeering. When this all goes pearshaped he'll be blaming whichever Government is in power for not doing it right.He may be a good politician (I personally don't agree I hasten to add) but he is not a good negotiator.
He is far too divisive to be an asset in any negotiations, not just with the EU but with the electorate.
alfie2244 said:
FYI Part of my studies 25 yrs ago was EU Law...didn't take long for anyone with half a brain to work out where this EU project was heading (still have study books if you want them) from that point on I wanted out, even dallied with the referendum party for a bit.
Things have changed an awful lot over those 25 years.There are twice as many countries in the EU now and the vast majority of those new members have no interest in creating a federal EU state. They've just escaped from the USSR and Warsaw pact. They know what oppression looks like and they value their independence. They have changed the direction of the EU. That's exactly why the UK has been such a keen advocate of EU expansion. It had successfully torpedoed any prospect of creating an EU superstate. And during that time the Euro has also come into existence and forced the EU to come to an arrangement to protect the interests of the non-Eurozone EU members.
It would be daft to conclude that the EU is on the same path now that it was 25 years ago.
durbster said:
I suspect what we'll learn over the next few months and years is that all our problems will not suddenly be fixed because the EU didn't actually dominate our lives at all, and was more like an admin department than an evil overlord. The biggest difference is that we no longer have somebody to blame
Which is good surely? UK politicians who can't blame Europe are more likely to be held to account by the electorate - a win for democracyAlex said:
I thought his speech was awesome.
"When I said I was going to lead a campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me."
"YOU'RE NOT LAUGHING NOW!"
Love it!
+1"When I said I was going to lead a campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me."
"YOU'RE NOT LAUGHING NOW!"
Love it!
I bet he's been dreaming of doing that for a long time and he got his reward, let's hope whoever does the negotiating isn't a wet weekend!
durbster said:
Username888]... so many people believe the media spin put on [Farage said:
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...Corbyn has spent much of his career with people who deny the holocaust and want to exterminate Jews.
...Corbyn has spent much of his career with people who deny the holocaust and want to exterminate Jews.
V8A*ndy said:
I've always said that our TV networks and reporters should have covered Brussels in much more detail.
I suppose no one was interested until now.
Yeah, good point. I suppose no one was interested until now.
It's pointless calling people names for voting either way when almost all of us only had exposure to what the EU did from the mainstream media, who have used them as a handy scapegoat to blame everything on. We can only base our opinion on the information we're given.
I suspect what we'll learn over the next few months and years is that all our problems will not suddenly be fixed because the EU didn't actually dominate our lives at all, and was more like an admin department than an evil overlord. The biggest difference is that we no longer have somebody to blame.
This whole referendum has been a massive failure of the British Government and media more than the EU itself.
It's the same with political engagement. We can't just blame the politicians for the gap that's opened up between them and the general public. They can't fix it by themselves.
I know quite a few people who have paid a few quid to join a political party in the last couple of days. There's no better time to do it. They're in a state of turmoil. They're looking for new leaders and there's a real chance some of them are going to split to form new parties and alliances. If you get involved now you can be part of the discussion, exert some influence and do something positive to start to reconnect politicians and the electorate.
ATG said:
Things have changed an awful lot over those 25 years.
There are twice as many countries in the EU now and the vast majority of those new members have no interest in creating a federal EU state. They've just escaped from the USSR and Warsaw pact. They know what oppression looks like and they value their independence. They have changed the direction of the EU. That's exactly why the UK has been such a keen advocate of EU expansion. It had successfully torpedoed any prospect of creating an EU superstate. And during that time the Euro has also come into existence and forced the EU to come to an arrangement to protect the interests of the non-Eurozone EU members.
It would be daft to conclude that the EU is on the same path now that it was 25 years ago.
Daft is one of the much nicer things I have been called over the last 20 odd years...many thanks.... no point keep going round in circles but just one example "supremacy of EU laws over UK" that's ok with you I assume.There are twice as many countries in the EU now and the vast majority of those new members have no interest in creating a federal EU state. They've just escaped from the USSR and Warsaw pact. They know what oppression looks like and they value their independence. They have changed the direction of the EU. That's exactly why the UK has been such a keen advocate of EU expansion. It had successfully torpedoed any prospect of creating an EU superstate. And during that time the Euro has also come into existence and forced the EU to come to an arrangement to protect the interests of the non-Eurozone EU members.
It would be daft to conclude that the EU is on the same path now that it was 25 years ago.
Ever closer union is where it will go, that's my opinion and I stick to that regardless of what you or anybody else will say....not what I want or think best for my future generations.
Alex said:
I thought his speech was awesome.
"When I said I was going to lead a campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me."
"YOU'RE NOT LAUGHING NOW!"
Love it!
And how does it help us move on from the f"When I said I was going to lead a campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me."
"YOU'RE NOT LAUGHING NOW!"
Love it!
king mess he helped create ?It doesn't.
What ideas does Farage have to stop or economy going doyen the toilet (due due brexit or any other reason) ? None.
He's just full of pics and wind and nothing else and is adored by those who can't think for themselves.
Lunar Tick said:
durbster said:
I suspect what we'll learn over the next few months and years is that all our problems will not suddenly be fixed because the EU didn't actually dominate our lives at all, and was more like an admin department than an evil overlord. The biggest difference is that we no longer have somebody to blame
Which is good surely? UK politicians who can't blame Europe are more likely to be held to account by the electorate - a win for democracyCrafty_ said:
And how does it help us move on from the fking mess he helped create ?
It doesn't.
What ideas does Farage have to stop or economy going doyen the toilet (due due brexit or any other reason) ? None.
He's just full of pics and wind and nothing else and is adored by those who can't think for themselves.
How about those who can't type for themselves?king mess he helped create ?It doesn't.
What ideas does Farage have to stop or economy going doyen the toilet (due due brexit or any other reason) ? None.
He's just full of pics and wind and nothing else and is adored by those who can't think for themselves.
ATG said:
That is a good thing, but we'll have paid one hell of a price to learn something that was already pretty obvious if you only bothered to pay some attention.
Disagree - the opaque nature of the EU and its complex interaction with UK law makes it quite easy for politicians to perform smoke and mirrors tricks, obscuring the truth for the average man in the street. As for 'hell of a price', let's see in a year or two if we actually have paid a hell of a price. We might discover that things are not as gloomy as they seem now - especially when the problems with the Euro and bankrupt Greece make themselves felt again (as they will)Farage seems to be too emotionally involved to debate sensibly. Perhaps it is because of his history, being the guy that decided to stand and try to make Brexit happen against the wishes of the EU and UK parliament and initially, the majority of the population.
There is a lot of "I won and you need to listen to me" about his speech today, rather than a pragmatic approach to getting a message out to the EU on behalf of the UK.
I have not seen him live at the EU before but I would say that was a poor choice of content and a poor performance.
There is a lot of "I won and you need to listen to me" about his speech today, rather than a pragmatic approach to getting a message out to the EU on behalf of the UK.
I have not seen him live at the EU before but I would say that was a poor choice of content and a poor performance.
technodup said:
FredClogs said:
I agree, but as a point of order he's never been voted into any position within British politics and he's tried and tried but failed to ever get a seat ay Westminster - because he's a massive tool and you can't hide the fact.
Which makes his achievement all the more remarkable tbh.Is there ANYONE in the UK or Europe who thinks we'd have got the referendum AND voted out if we didn't have Nigel Farage?
That's not to say I'm his greatest fan btw, but he's been hugely influential. More so than anyone else in modern times.
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