Do we have to leave the EU a QC says no

[marshalla]

red_slr said:

I await for someone to take a case to the ECHR that its against their human rights to leave the EU... its going to happen!

It would interesting to see what a non-EU court, like the ECHR, has to say about the situation.

[lostkiwi]

EnglishTony said:

lostkiwi said:

Its not just unconstitutional under UK law its also not allowed under Article 50.
The Act of parliament is required under both UK and EU laws for Brexit to be valid.
Otherwise we would already be in the countdown.

Article 50 also seems to require that all citizens of voting age are given the opportunity to vote. This didn't happen but as it's an EU thing who cares?

Britain can hope that the EU insists that that the rules are seen as such and not merely as advisory non-binding guidelines but as they want Britain out every bit as much as Farage does don't hold your breath.

If they don't follow the rules they leave themselves open to a challenge through the courts which would be very damaging to the EU. Similarly if we don't play it by the rules the same issue occurs.

[AlecT]

If you would like to stop Brexit as I would, I urge you to lobby your MP

[Jinx]

AlecT said:

If you would like to abandon democracy using legal technicalities stop Brexit as I would, I urge you to lobby your MP

Fixed that for you. Why are you so afraid of home rule and self determination?

[Murph7355]

AlecT said:

If you would like to stop Brexit as I would, I urge you to lobby your MP

Your efforts would have been better placed persuading people to vote the same way as you.

[eatcustard]

AlecT said:

If you would like to stop Brexit as I would, I urge you to lobby your MP

You are a fkwit

[Crush]

markh1973 said:

In what way did all citizens of voting age not have the opportunity to vote?

Those under 21 had to go out and vote rather than ticking a box on Facebook. How is that fair to them?

[lostkiwi]

eatcustard said:

You are a fkwit

Nice...

[paul789]

Timmy40 said:

Indeed. So for example, my MP is euro scpetic and is very pleased with the result. But the majority of people in the constituency voted Remain.

Redwood?

[eatcustard]

red_slr said:

I await for someone to take a case to the ECHR that its against their human rights to leave the EU... its going to happen!

More voted out than in so what do you think the ECHR can do?

[Landlord]

Smollet said:

Eric Mc said:

Do we need another Brexit thread?

A non QC says "No".

Apparently not going by the number of new ones that appear every bloody day. May I suggest we have referendum on this please

I'm almost as bored of it as the next man but a) it's potentially the biggest thing to happen to this country for decades and; b) just don't click on the topic.

Let others discuss it as they want and stay off the threads you're bored with/disinterested in.

[AlecT]

Murph7355 said:

Your efforts would have been better placed persuading people to vote the same way as you.

I did poll as many people as I came into contact with in business on a daily basis prior to the vote, and the vast majority agreed with me that a remain vote would be best, however the final result was a surprise. I did not insult people who did not agree with me and I respect the opinions given, I still think leaving is wrong for the economy and wrong for the next generation.

[Timmy40]

AlecT said:

Murph7355 said:

Your efforts would have been better placed persuading people to vote the same way as you.

I did poll as many people as I came into contact with in business on a daily basis prior to the vote, and the vast majority agreed with me that a remain vote would be best, however the final result was a surprise. I did not insult people who did not agree with me and I respect the opinions given, I still think leaving is wrong for the economy and wrong for the next generation.

The next generation?

They couldn't be bothered to vote. In polls 75% of them wanted to remain but when it came to it only 36% of them could be arsed to vote.

Had the 64% who didn't vote, voted then Remain would have won, infact had the 18-24 y'o just voted in same the same proportion as the rest of the electorate ( 72% turnout ) Remain would have won.

It's all very well for them to plaster social media with posts about how their future has been stolen, it was no secret how close the result would be, and despite that they couldn't be arsed.

[loafer123]

AlecT said:

Murph7355 said:

Your efforts would have been better placed persuading people to vote the same way as you.

I did poll as many people as I came into contact with in business on a daily basis prior to the vote, and the vast majority agreed with me that a remain vote would be best, however the final result was a surprise. I did not insult people who did not agree with me and I respect the opinions given, I still think leaving is wrong for the economy and wrong for the next generation.

It doesn't matter if you think the outcome was wrong, it was the democratic will of the electorate.

Did I try and overthrow the Labour government in the early noughties, despite despising them and them ruining the country?

No.

[Leins]

Timmy40 said:

I've noticed that. There does seem to be an element of "OK off you go" about the EU recation.

As someone from a neighbouring country, who I myself am pleased are staying in the EU, it is hardly surprising that we would like this matter dealt with as soon as possible, so we can also get on with planning our future. It's not just the UK that is affected by this referendum you've had, with huge losses inflicted on the Irish stock market in the last few days, people worried about their future, concerns over the border with NI, etc, etc.

The longer this whole mess gets dragged out, the less sympathy the rest of Europe is going to have IMO

[ewenm]

loafer123 said:

It doesn't matter if you think the outcome was wrong, it was the democratic will of the electorate.

Did I try and overthrow the Labour government in the early noughties, despite despising them and them ruining the country?

No.

But you did try to overthrow them at the next voting opportunity... What happens if we have a GE before we activate article 50 and a pro-EU Government wins? The Leave leaders need to get article 50 instigated ASAP.

[Zigster]

loafer123 said:

It doesn't matter if you think the outcome was wrong, it was the democratic will of the electorate.

Did I try and overthrow the Labour government in the early noughties, despite despising them and them ruining the country?

No.

That's a bit of a straw man, though. He's not talking about overthrowing the Government, he's talking about persuading people that the out vote was a bad idea. Perhaps a better analogy would be whether you accepted the early noughties Labour government for ever more, never mentioned that you would have preferred a different party, and didn't vote for a different party at subsequent elections.

[SpeckledJim]

Derek Smith said:

I don't think there was ever any doubt that the referendum was not binding on parliament. It has to go through by Act and MPs have to vote on it. There is a hurdle in the shape of the HoL but that is now only a delaying tactic and if they did try something it would lead to a constitutional problem.

Just a thought but I would expect the HoL (old, rich, 'landed') to be pro-Brexit overall?

[Mr GrimNasty]

AlecT said:

I was reading today that a leading QC, an expert on constitutional law says the the referendum vote is not enough to leave the Eu, we need a vote in Parliament to change the law.
We are not governed by mass opinion but by Parliament. So can we stay in after all?
I for one hope so!

So on the day the EU Fourth Reich master-plan to dissolve national borders and sovereignty is finally shown as real, you don't think phew what a lucky escape, you want back in. Truly insane.

[EnglishTony]

markh1973 said:

In what way did all citizens of voting age not have the opportunity to vote?

For example I am a British national, born and bred but as I haven't lived in the UK for over 15 years I was barred from voting in the referendum.

My brother in Australia, with dual nationality, voted though as he's only been there for 12 years.