Do we have to leave the EU a QC says no
Discussion
Soov535 said:
Your clients are morons.
As for the crash...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665436/Br...
FTSE nearly back to to pre BREXIT level.
The FTSE 100 has stabilised, but the 250, which has a greater domestic exposure is still down. The banks and the housebuilders have not recovered and the pound is still on the floor.As for the crash...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665436/Br...
FTSE nearly back to to pre BREXIT level.
The markets have undoubtedly been rocked, but its not as bad as it could have been. I suspect this is largely because it is now clear that we are not leaving Europe anytime soon. Perhaps more importantly it is also clear that Parliament are going to need to agree what we do next and that no-one has any appetite for a solution where we leave the common market.
Soov535 said:
Elysium said:
no-one has any appetite for a solution where we leave the common market.
What apart from the 17 million who voted to do so.
what proportion of our electorate have any idea what the common market is? For most people, they just know we pay the EU loads of money, but no idea why, or what it does. People don't know about let alone understand the tariffs or how the mechanisms work
which, to come back to my previous point, is why we should not have had a referendum!
Efbe said:
not really.
what proportion of our electorate have any idea what the common market is? For most people, they just know we pay the EU loads of money, but no idea why, or what it does. People don't know about let alone understand the tariffs or how the mechanisms work
which, to come back to my previous point, is why we should not have had a referendum!
Following that logic, no-one should get to vote in elections either.what proportion of our electorate have any idea what the common market is? For most people, they just know we pay the EU loads of money, but no idea why, or what it does. People don't know about let alone understand the tariffs or how the mechanisms work
which, to come back to my previous point, is why we should not have had a referendum!
Lucas Ayde said:
Efbe said:
not really.
what proportion of our electorate have any idea what the common market is? For most people, they just know we pay the EU loads of money, but no idea why, or what it does. People don't know about let alone understand the tariffs or how the mechanisms work
which, to come back to my previous point, is why we should not have had a referendum!
Following that logic, no-one should get to vote in elections either.what proportion of our electorate have any idea what the common market is? For most people, they just know we pay the EU loads of money, but no idea why, or what it does. People don't know about let alone understand the tariffs or how the mechanisms work
which, to come back to my previous point, is why we should not have had a referendum!
h eh?Lucas Ayde said:
Efbe said:
not really.
what proportion of our electorate have any idea what the common market is? For most people, they just know we pay the EU loads of money, but no idea why, or what it does. People don't know about let alone understand the tariffs or how the mechanisms work
which, to come back to my previous point, is why we should not have had a referendum!
Following that logic, no-one should get to vote in elections either.what proportion of our electorate have any idea what the common market is? For most people, they just know we pay the EU loads of money, but no idea why, or what it does. People don't know about let alone understand the tariffs or how the mechanisms work
which, to come back to my previous point, is why we should not have had a referendum!
As far as my very limited understanding goes; the elections are reason to avoid public voting on crucial issues. As mentioned before;
Imagine having a referendum on;
What level should VAT be;
A) 0.0000%
B) 20%
How long do you want to wait on elective procedure on NHS;
A) 1 day
B) 2 months
C) 6 months
Do you see why representative democracy is needed? It's not perfect, but I can't see much better ways. What I don't get in this whole sorry saga, is that most people, didn't even try to look at what they are actually voting for. I include both sides in that.
Elysium said:
Soov535 said:
Your clients are morons.
As for the crash...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665436/Br...
FTSE nearly back to to pre BREXIT level.
The FTSE 100 has stabilised, but the 250, which has a greater domestic exposure is still down. The banks and the housebuilders have not recovered and the pound is still on the floor.As for the crash...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3665436/Br...
FTSE nearly back to to pre BREXIT level.
The markets have undoubtedly been rocked, but its not as bad as it could have been. I suspect this is largely because it is now clear that we are not leaving Europe anytime soon. Perhaps more importantly it is also clear that Parliament are going to need to agree what we do next and that no-one has any appetite for a solution where we leave the common market.
jjlynn27 said:
Lucas Ayde said:
Efbe said:
not really.
what proportion of our electorate have any idea what the common market is? For most people, they just know we pay the EU loads of money, but no idea why, or what it does. People don't know about let alone understand the tariffs or how the mechanisms work
which, to come back to my previous point, is why we should not have had a referendum!
Following that logic, no-one should get to vote in elections either.what proportion of our electorate have any idea what the common market is? For most people, they just know we pay the EU loads of money, but no idea why, or what it does. People don't know about let alone understand the tariffs or how the mechanisms work
which, to come back to my previous point, is why we should not have had a referendum!
As far as my very limited understanding goes; the elections are reason to avoid public voting on crucial issues. As mentioned before;
Imagine having a referendum on;
What level should VAT be;
A) 0.0000%
B) 20%
How long do you want to wait on elective procedure on NHS;
A) 1 day
B) 2 months
C) 6 months
Do you see why representative democracy is needed? It's not perfect, but I can't see much better ways. What I don't get in this whole sorry saga, is that most people, didn't even try to look at what they are actually voting for. I include both sides in that.
you elect someone that you think will make good decisions for you.
so you pick the politician that best represents your points of view. It's not great because there are only a few options. The reason it is failing so badly now is because the labour party has stopped representing the working classes. If a new party is created from Corbyn being a bit of a nob we may actually end up with the party we need to balance out the tories. but that is offtopic.
anyhow, this politician should understand all the sides and impacts of an issue and decision, which leaves the people of this great country to get back to Jeremy Kyle and X-factor
Elysium said:
Soov535 said:
Elysium said:
no-one has any appetite for a solution where we leave the common market.
What apart from the 17 million who voted to do so.
loafer123 said:
AJL308 said:
No, it isn't. However, if it needs an Act of Parliament to do it legally and Parliament won't pass such an Enactment then HMG is off the hook......a little bit.
General Election by Christmas.
Lib Dems walk it on a Remain portfolio.
1908 People's Budget scenario re-run.
Where the above constitutional crisis ended with the Parliament Act 1911, which provided a method to take the un-elected HoL out of the equation in specific circumstances, the end result of this will be some new method to deal with significant constitutional issues such as we are facing now.
We'll remain in the EU but probably a radically different one or one with two or more degrees is 'in'.
What are you smoking?!General Election by Christmas.
Lib Dems walk it on a Remain portfolio.
1908 People's Budget scenario re-run.
Where the above constitutional crisis ended with the Parliament Act 1911, which provided a method to take the un-elected HoL out of the equation in specific circumstances, the end result of this will be some new method to deal with significant constitutional issues such as we are facing now.
We'll remain in the EU but probably a radically different one or one with two or more degrees is 'in'.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-wont-re...
Elysium said:
Soov535 said:
Elysium said:
no-one has any appetite for a solution where we leave the common market.
What apart from the 17 million who voted to do so.
It is sad to watch the losers accept the democratic result of the vote.
My wife lived under Franco, and she doesn't take democracy for granted. She just explained that she has found it too difficult to watch the news over the last few days.
AJL308 said:
loafer123 said:
AJL308 said:
No, it isn't. However, if it needs an Act of Parliament to do it legally and Parliament won't pass such an Enactment then HMG is off the hook......a little bit.
General Election by Christmas.
Lib Dems walk it on a Remain portfolio.
1908 People's Budget scenario re-run.
Where the above constitutional crisis ended with the Parliament Act 1911, which provided a method to take the un-elected HoL out of the equation in specific circumstances, the end result of this will be some new method to deal with significant constitutional issues such as we are facing now.
We'll remain in the EU but probably a radically different one or one with two or more degrees is 'in'.
What are you smoking?!General Election by Christmas.
Lib Dems walk it on a Remain portfolio.
1908 People's Budget scenario re-run.
Where the above constitutional crisis ended with the Parliament Act 1911, which provided a method to take the un-elected HoL out of the equation in specific circumstances, the end result of this will be some new method to deal with significant constitutional issues such as we are facing now.
We'll remain in the EU but probably a radically different one or one with two or more degrees is 'in'.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-wont-re...
don4l said:
Elysium said:
The referendum was about leaving the European Union. Not the European Economic Community.
The EEC ceased to exist in 1992, when it became the EC. The EC was itself abolished in 2009.It is sad to watch the losers accept the democratic result of the vote.
My wife lived under Franco, and she doesn't take democracy for granted. She just explained that she has found it too difficult to watch the news over the last few days.
I don't have a problem with this if he can pull it off and the markets appear to agree.
As to democracy - were you not aware that this was an advisory referendum?
AJL308 said:
Not telling but me and this bloke in the Independent must have the same dealer.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-wont-re...
I have no doubt that A40 will be activated and we will leave.http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-wont-re...
That said, I think we will rejoin in a fudge Norewegian Option clone, but different enough to make the negotiator claim victory.
However, the article does make some good points. If parliament do not vote to leave then, in all probability, the government will have to resign. Labour and the SNP could form a minority government, possibly liberal, joining the coalition, but would never press the button. The most likely outcome would be another GE.
Would people be drawn back to the LibDems? Would the tories not have a majority? Unlikely but possible, especially if labour are in the dishevelled state they are in at present. The catalyst might be the UKIP taking votes, and possibly seats.
We live in times which are not predictable. The rules would appear to be different. The most likely outcome would be that it would, as it normally does, revert to the norm, probably through apathy, but it might not happen, or might be delayed, given the level of feeling at the moment.
Who can say?
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