Ultimatum EU Blueprint - The Final Solution
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lostkiwi said:
Any country in the EU can use the Veto on that (if its true).
Unsure, but beleive that veto goes in 2017 , along with the arrival of QMV, as per the Lisbon treaty. Farage predicted others would "Brexit" ,take that as fact if this has more than a gem of truth in it, and to be honest, considering noises exiting from Juncker and co, its entirely feasible.
More sources.
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/Infoservice/Pres...
http://s.tvp.pl/repository/attachment/d/5/1/d51736...
Scary lunatics if true.
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/Infoservice/Pres...
http://s.tvp.pl/repository/attachment/d/5/1/d51736...
Scary lunatics if true.
Mr GrimNasty said:
More sources.
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/Infoservice/Pres...
http://s.tvp.pl/repository/attachment/d/5/1/d51736...
Scary lunatics if true.
The first link appears to be an official German government ministry so looks true to me.http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/Infoservice/Pres...
http://s.tvp.pl/repository/attachment/d/5/1/d51736...
Scary lunatics if true.
Why does this surprise anyone? Thatcher called this out decades ago:
https://youtu.be/tVt_1ByddUQ
A federal superstate has been Brussels grand plan as long as I can remember, they know if members surrender military, tax, law, policing, immigration and budget to Brussels they have zero options to do a brexit.
They already tried to get both France and UK to surrender their perm. UN Security Council seats to Brussels, with UK gone then France is the EU's sole nuclear power and perm un sec council seat; they need military surrendered to Brussels so France hands over their nuclear arsenal to protect the zero military spending rest of the EU from Putins antics before Marie le pen grabs the presidency and takes the French nukes with her leaving the rest of the EU with the sort of military deterrent that wouldn't deter a shoplifter rampage in Aldi let alone a Putin land grab into the Baltics.
They know this is their last chance grab for power before the nationalist contagion spreads.
https://youtu.be/tVt_1ByddUQ
A federal superstate has been Brussels grand plan as long as I can remember, they know if members surrender military, tax, law, policing, immigration and budget to Brussels they have zero options to do a brexit.
They already tried to get both France and UK to surrender their perm. UN Security Council seats to Brussels, with UK gone then France is the EU's sole nuclear power and perm un sec council seat; they need military surrendered to Brussels so France hands over their nuclear arsenal to protect the zero military spending rest of the EU from Putins antics before Marie le pen grabs the presidency and takes the French nukes with her leaving the rest of the EU with the sort of military deterrent that wouldn't deter a shoplifter rampage in Aldi let alone a Putin land grab into the Baltics.
They know this is their last chance grab for power before the nationalist contagion spreads.
Edited by nyxster on Tuesday 28th June 22:35
Indeed, watch the first 16 minutes or so of this if you haven't already - it becomes obvious this was the plan all along:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GliFMIHiGog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GliFMIHiGog
I think that document is cropping up in too many places now to be a total fabrication, but if it is a hoax, it's a good one.
Having read it a couple of times now I can see why they (France/Germany) want to do this and why it wasn't released before the referendum. It must have been around because you don't come up with something like that over a few shandies on Friday lunchtime after getting the Referendum voting.
But of more concern is that this document, if true, would appear to have been produced by France and Germany as self-styled leaders of the EU community who ask for "others to join them". So despite being a significant financial contributor the UK clearly isn't in the clique, we don't have a chair at this top table and I'd take from this that even if we'd voted 99-1 to stay we never going to get reforms promised.
So assuming there are countries which don't like the deal, where then ? Do we get a 2 tier Europe and might that not be better for our future trade ? It might actually work out reasonably for us in the end.
Having read it a couple of times now I can see why they (France/Germany) want to do this and why it wasn't released before the referendum. It must have been around because you don't come up with something like that over a few shandies on Friday lunchtime after getting the Referendum voting.
But of more concern is that this document, if true, would appear to have been produced by France and Germany as self-styled leaders of the EU community who ask for "others to join them". So despite being a significant financial contributor the UK clearly isn't in the clique, we don't have a chair at this top table and I'd take from this that even if we'd voted 99-1 to stay we never going to get reforms promised.
So assuming there are countries which don't like the deal, where then ? Do we get a 2 tier Europe and might that not be better for our future trade ? It might actually work out reasonably for us in the end.
Could 2 subversive people not create a document that derails the whole thing on purpose?
Like most people, i have no idea of who the 2 authors are, or where they fit into the Euro orginisation.
I'd like to know more before reading bits from a source as mental as zerohedge (or huff post on the flip side) and jumping to the conclusion that it's time to invoke Goodwin's law for some reason.
Like most people, i have no idea of who the 2 authors are, or where they fit into the Euro orginisation.
I'd like to know more before reading bits from a source as mental as zerohedge (or huff post on the flip side) and jumping to the conclusion that it's time to invoke Goodwin's law for some reason.
b2hbm said:
I think that document is cropping up in too many places now to be a total fabrication, but if it is a hoax, it's a good one.
Having read it a couple of times now I can see why they (France/Germany) want to do this and why it wasn't released before the referendum. It must have been around because you don't come up with something like that over a few shandies on Friday lunchtime after getting the Referendum voting.
But of more concern is that this document, if true, would appear to have been produced by France and Germany as self-styled leaders of the EU community who ask for "others to join them". So despite being a significant financial contributor the UK clearly isn't in the clique, we don't have a chair at this top table and I'd take from this that even if we'd voted 99-1 to stay we never going to get reforms promised.
So assuming there are countries which don't like the deal, where then ? Do we get a 2 tier Europe and might that not be better for our future trade ? It might actually work out reasonably for us in the end.
Exactly. How would parliament have got the publics consent to go along with further integration? We just don't like it up us do we, having not been invaded for ever in real terms. The EU was stalling because of us, it didn't know how far to push us, now it knows, the real integration can start. Having read it a couple of times now I can see why they (France/Germany) want to do this and why it wasn't released before the referendum. It must have been around because you don't come up with something like that over a few shandies on Friday lunchtime after getting the Referendum voting.
But of more concern is that this document, if true, would appear to have been produced by France and Germany as self-styled leaders of the EU community who ask for "others to join them". So despite being a significant financial contributor the UK clearly isn't in the clique, we don't have a chair at this top table and I'd take from this that even if we'd voted 99-1 to stay we never going to get reforms promised.
So assuming there are countries which don't like the deal, where then ? Do we get a 2 tier Europe and might that not be better for our future trade ? It might actually work out reasonably for us in the end.
Some Gump said:
Could 2 subversive people not create a document that derails the whole thing on purpose?
Like most people, i have no idea of who the 2 authors are, or where they fit into the Euro orginisation.
I'd like to know more before reading bits from a source as mental as zerohedge (or huff post on the flip side) and jumping to the conclusion that it's time to invoke Goodwin's law for some reason.
The original source was one of the polish to stations, it was allegedly given to the polish president and was due to be presented to the e.e gang. The polish president just went berserk at juncker over brexit and his plans for federalisation which would suggest it's legit. Like most people, i have no idea of who the 2 authors are, or where they fit into the Euro orginisation.
I'd like to know more before reading bits from a source as mental as zerohedge (or huff post on the flip side) and jumping to the conclusion that it's time to invoke Goodwin's law for some reason.
Some Gump said:
Could 2 subversive people not create a document that derails the whole thing on purpose?
Like most people, i have no idea of who the 2 authors are, or where they fit into the Euro orginisation.
I'd like to know more before reading bits from a source as mental as zerohedge (or huff post on the flip side) and jumping to the conclusion that it's time to invoke Goodwin's law for some reason.
One of the sites it's on seems to be that of an official German Ministry though. That's pretty significant if true.Like most people, i have no idea of who the 2 authors are, or where they fit into the Euro orginisation.
I'd like to know more before reading bits from a source as mental as zerohedge (or huff post on the flip side) and jumping to the conclusion that it's time to invoke Goodwin's law for some reason.
Edited by AJL308 on Tuesday 28th June 22:55
One of the chaps who's name is on the document.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank-Walter_Steinme...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank-Walter_Steinme...
Some Gump said:
Could 2 subversive people not create a document that derails the whole thing on purpose?
Like most people, i have no idea of who the 2 authors are, or where they fit into the Euro orginisation.
I'd like to know more before reading bits from a source as mental as zerohedge (or huff post on the flip side) and jumping to the conclusion that it's time to invoke Goodwin's law for some reason.
Yes, given what's alleged to have occurred with the online poll for another referendum you could be entirely correct. The first place I saw it was on the Polish media site referred to in a post above and there have been extracts popping up in a few places which might just be copying the first source.Like most people, i have no idea of who the 2 authors are, or where they fit into the Euro orginisation.
I'd like to know more before reading bits from a source as mental as zerohedge (or huff post on the flip side) and jumping to the conclusion that it's time to invoke Goodwin's law for some reason.
So yes, it could be a sabotage attempt. But given the politics over the last few days and how this document does appear to have French and German backing I would have expected a denial from the EU or one of the alleged authors, if only to defuse the anti-EU movements in other member countries.
The more I go through it the more I'm concerned. This lot will have us in WW3 the way they go on. Would you trust someone like Junkers with a nuclear missile ? I wouldn't trust him with the keys to a car, let alone anything sharp.
chris watton said:
When I asked about this, and the potential for an EU army and perhaps all of the EU citizens' taxes going up (perhaps a two-tier system) to help fund these lunatic grandiose schemes, the 'Remainers' said it would never happen, as it was/is 'Tin Foil Hat' territory.
Oh really.....
Always on the cards for anyone who could see the agenda.Oh really.....
The EU is NOT a free trade area it is a putative federal state. The sooner people realise this the sooner we can get on with negotiating a free trade deal with them and leaving them to it.
Judging by previous retorts and quotes from the Eurocrats, Brexit was the perfect trigger for this...
As previously stated, we've always been 'difficult' for those pursuing the USE.
Equally, we've seen (and it's been stated), that the route for integration had always been to leverage 'crisis' to tighten the ratchet.
With QMV, and the huge issues in the EZ, it's the perfect time.
Greece has already raised they've been bought, and are now indentured did to their debts. Italy is in a similar position, as is Spain and Portugal.
So, are there seven countries (with total population greater than 40% of EU total) whose governments are either in a position where they can afford to tell France/Germany to do one, and want to?
Poland
Czech Republic
Netherlands (possibly)
Denmark (almost certainly)
Still at least three countries short, and quite a big shortfall in population...
The politburo strikes again, and again shows it's similarities to the final decades of the Soviet Union.
As previously stated, we've always been 'difficult' for those pursuing the USE.
Equally, we've seen (and it's been stated), that the route for integration had always been to leverage 'crisis' to tighten the ratchet.
With QMV, and the huge issues in the EZ, it's the perfect time.
Greece has already raised they've been bought, and are now indentured did to their debts. Italy is in a similar position, as is Spain and Portugal.
So, are there seven countries (with total population greater than 40% of EU total) whose governments are either in a position where they can afford to tell France/Germany to do one, and want to?
Poland
Czech Republic
Netherlands (possibly)
Denmark (almost certainly)
Still at least three countries short, and quite a big shortfall in population...
The politburo strikes again, and again shows it's similarities to the final decades of the Soviet Union.
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