Brexit - real world implications

[eharding]

cymtriks said:

When you see the extent of the rot you realise how urgently the boat needed to be rocked.

Thanks for your efforts at rocking the boat enough to capsize the bloody thing.

Some of us are now going to get it upright, bail out the water, and try to save everyone on board - even those daft planks who capsized it in the first place.

I don't doubt idiots like you will argue that an upturned rotten boat is better than one upright and still making headway, albeit slowly, but I'm sure most folk - having experienced one capsize - won't be keen to experience another.

[lostkiwi]

voyds9 said:

lostkiwi said:

Since when is the answer to anyone who disagrees with a point of view to get them to leave the country. It might have been popular back in 1939 with some folks but hopefully we've progressed a bit since then.

Since the remainers wanted a do-over until they get the 'right' result.

Even though Farage stated that 52% was not the end of it when he thought Brexit would lose? Even when the petition for a recount was started by a Leaver?
Do I spot hypocrisy?

[gooner1]

lostkiwi said:

Even though Farage stated that 52% was not the end of it when he thought Brexit would lose? Even when the petition for a recount was started by a Leaver?
Do I spot hypocrisy?

Did you agree with Farage at the time?

[cymtriks]

lostkiwi said:

A Brexit supporters only tonight implied I leave and take the rest of the moaners with me (which as an immigrant is offensive). There were several others who had similar suggestions made to them.

Lets just think about how Brexiters are being described for a bit:

Stupid
Old
Uneducated
Racist
Xenophobic
Little Englander
Liar

Given the abuse Brexiters have had you've got away rather easily.

lostkiwi said:

Since when is the answer to anyone who disagrees with a point of view to get them to leave the country. It might have been popular back in 1939 with some folks but hopefully we've progressed a bit since then.

I don't mind you disagreeing with me. I do mind when I can't look at any kind of media at all without getting one insult after another. Is that really the best the Remainers have to offer? Where is the talk of where the EU went wrong? Or how it can improve? It is nowhere. All we get is more insults, more threats, more "project fear".

Now I've got:

Stupid
Old
Uneducated
Racist
Xenophobic
Little Englander
Liar
Hitler

[lostkiwi]

gooner1 said:

lostkiwi said:

Even though Farage stated that 52% was not the end of it when he thought Brexit would lose? Even when the petition for a recount was started by a Leaver?
Do I spot hypocrisy?

Did you agree with Farage at the time?

Irrelevant. I haven't been calling for another referendum.
But to complain about those that are when Leave had actively started the process of seeking one even before the referendum was finished does sound hypocrital.

[klootzak]

cymtriks said:

We are seeing the remainers in their true colours

• Insults
• Threats
• Arrogance beyond belief

From what I've seen and heard, the insults, threats and arrogance are coming from both sides in abundance. It's a sign of how divided the country is and how little either side managed to communicate anything positive at all.

As for denial, well that's just a normal part of the grieving process, and not particularly harmful as such (unless people don't move beyond it). Though this isn't helped by the complete lack of a plan to manage the UK's exit.

cymtriks said:

• No talk of what the EU needs to be in the future to tempt us back

Why should there be? The UK has just voted to leave, surely working that out should be the priority. Anything else is of merely academic interest.

cymtriks said:

• No talk of what the EU needs to be in the future to stop other countries leaving

As above, why should there be? The UK has voted to leave and at that point forfeit any right to have an influence or opinion about the EU's future.

Of course, if you want to influence the EU without accepting any responsibility within it. Or believe deep down that we won't really leave (as appears to be the case for some of the leave campaigners), those last two points will be relevant. Otherwise, they are of no more than the vaguest academic interest.

k

[lostkiwi]

cymtriks said:

I don't mind you disagreeing with me. I do mind when I can't look at any kind of media at all without getting one insult after another. Is that really the best the Remainers have to offer? Where is the talk of where the EU went wrong? Or how it can improve? It is nowhere. All we get is more insults, more threats, more "project fear".

Now I've got:

Stupid
Old
Uneducated
Racist
Xenophobic
Little Englander
Liar
Hitler

You think that's bad? I'm old and get labelled a Brexiter!

[Jader1973]

Back to the original topic.

My brother gets paid in USD so he has had a pay rise.

On the other hand, his Polish born (but now a British citizen) wife is wondering where to emigrate to.

[Mr Tidy]

voyds9 said:

gottans said:

voyds9 said:

These are generally older people with disposable income.

Funny that..

Could be something to do with saving rather than spending.

I see very few of them with a rental car or latest mobile phone.

But hey priorities

Pays your money takes your chance.

Rental car - don't you mean PCP/lease?

Said the (old) man with outright ownership of his cars, house and phone!

Must have missed something somewhere...............

[CR6ZZ]

Here in NZ many of us belong to Kiwisaver - a sort of government subsidised pension scheme. Because some to the fund is tied up with stocks and shares, anything with a connection to the FTSE has lost ground. Overall result is that folk have lost a bit of their planned pension. Not usually very much - appears to range from a few dollars up to a few thousand, depending on which fund one is tied to and how much one has in there. I appreciate that the loss is likely no more than one might expect on the share market, so not the end of the world, but for some it could be money they can ill afford to miss out on.

[Mr Tidy]

CR6ZZ said:

Here in NZ many of us belong to Kiwisaver - a sort of government subsidised pension scheme. Because some to the fund is tied up with stocks and shares, anything with a connection to the FTSE has lost ground. Overall result is that folk have lost a bit of their planned pension. Not usually very much - appears to range from a few dollars up to a few thousand, depending on which fund one is tied to and how much one has in there. I appreciate that the loss is likely no more than one might expect on the share market, so not the end of the world, but for some it could be money they can ill afford to miss out on.

Sorry, I must have missed something - when was NZ ever in the EU?

Your post suggests that anything tied to the FTSE has lost ground, but surely anything connected with the Fortune 500 would make up for that?

[nadger]

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[AJS-]

After a brief lull in every bit of bad news being blamed on "the cuts" or Tory austerity, every single piece of bad news from a racist yob on a bus to a Richard Branson saying he won't hire 3000 people (who he might not have hired anyway in a company he doesn't yet own) is suddenly blamed on Brexit.

Real stuff. Real rubbish being used in an attempt to provide a pretext for overturning a democratic decision.

[robemcdonald]

With respect to all. There are enough threads with people arguing the toss over the rights and wrongs of the situation. I really wanted to hear first or second hand accounts of the PH massive.
I don't think it's necessary to call BS or argue with people's anecdotes. My expectation was there would be enough good and bad to provide balance without the usual rhetoric from both sides.
It would be nice if we could all be respectful of what others have to say.

[Blib]

I had an interesting chat last night with an acquaintance who works at a quite senior level at the Department of Transport. He told me of 1500 people running around like headless chickens.

The reason? They were discouraged from making plans for Brexit by their political masters in case the news of preparations got out and gave the "wrong impression" to the electorate.

[wisbech]

BIL runs the UK arm of a French firm, 150 employees in a Midlands town, with warehousing etc. They are still crunching the numbers, but the most likely outcome is to move to direct supply from factories in EU to UK customers, with major downsizing. This was something that was already being considered though (not having any stocks held in the UK) but Brexit is helping force the issue. If the UK moves to different standards on the products to the EU, they will withdraw completely, wouldn't be worth the extra certification costs etc. Products are food ingredients.

[cirian75]

[NRS]

CR6ZZ said:

Here in NZ many of us belong to Kiwisaver - a sort of government subsidised pension scheme. Because some to the fund is tied up with stocks and shares, anything with a connection to the FTSE has lost ground. Overall result is that folk have lost a bit of their planned pension. Not usually very much - appears to range from a few dollars up to a few thousand, depending on which fund one is tied to and how much one has in there. I appreciate that the loss is likely no more than one might expect on the share market, so not the end of the world, but for some it could be money they can ill afford to miss out on.

Have you looked at the share charts and compared it to the last 5 years? It's not a very big move (so far) overall. It makes great headlines to say it lost 7% in one day, but if you don't monitor the markets it means very little when you don't know what can be "normal" and where things are now. If your pension was in shares you have lost far more at the start of the year for "no" reason than you have now (depending on how good the fund manager is). Plus you should not be heavily invested in shares if you're getting close to taking your pension out.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EFTSE&t=...

[Otispunkmeyer]

0a said:

We saw a jump in bookings from the EU, US and China due to the weaker pound, we're taking on some more staff to prep for a busier summer.

The currency issue is clearly a double edged sword. Bad for some balanced out by being good for others. I tried to point this out of FB. It was drowned out by wailing that we'll be having to wheel barrow stacks of cash to the supermarket to buy bread.

[Dog Star]

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