Anyone give a toss about Gibraltar's future?

[kurt535]

Am wondering how they feel about last week and wonder what the Brexit view point is regarding the future of the place? Also what would happen if

1. Spain tried a Galtieri one night? or
2. Gibraltar left UK, along with Scot and NI?

Actually, Id be curious whether anyone really cares about the place too?

TY

[s2art]

I am sure a lot of people do.

I doubt Spain would choose to exit NATO by invading Gib.

[Einion Yrth]

kurt535 said:

Am wondering how they feel about last week and wonder what the Brexit view point is regarding the future of the place? Also what would happen if

1. Spain tried a Galtieri one night? or

It would be difficult given that both Spain and the UK are NATO signatories.If Gibraltar asked for aid I would give it (were I in charge, which of course I'm not)

kurt535 said:

2. Gibraltar left UK, along with Scot and NI?

If by majority decision. So long guys, nice knowing you and you're welcome over here whenever you want to visit.

[Fittster]

We happily gave away Hong Kong, I see no reason why we must hold Gibraltar at all costs.

[s2art]

Fittster said:

We happily gave away Hong Kong, I see no reason why we must hold Gibraltar at all costs.

What costs are you referring to?

[Einion Yrth]

Fittster said:

We happily gave away Hong Kong.

As I recall we didn't give it away, the lease ran out.

[Pupp]

Err, HK was leased and the lease had expired... how is that a giveaway?

[Fittster]

s2art said:

Fittster said:

We happily gave away Hong Kong, I see no reason why we must hold Gibraltar at all costs.

What costs are you referring to?

If it's politicially expedient for the UK to hand over control to Spain / the EU / Some PH bogie man it's fine with me. For example if the cost of a good trade deal with the EU is to handover Gibraltar that's a price worth paying.

And I don't care that Spain has a few bits of Africa.

[nyxster]

We've not got much of a navy left so we should sell it to Qatar.

[Fittster]

Pupp said:

Err, HK was leased and the lease had expired... how is that a giveaway?

Wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong

[Starfighter]

Hong Kong was on a long lease which expired. Gibraltar was part of a piece settlement back in 1713 and is ours.

[Einion Yrth]

nyxster said:

We've not got much of a navy left so we should sell it to Qatar.

Gibraltar, the Navy, or Hong Kong?

[s2art]

Fittster said:

s2art said:

Fittster said:

We happily gave away Hong Kong, I see no reason why we must hold Gibraltar at all costs.

What costs are you referring to?

If it's politicially expedient for the UK to hand over control to Spain / the EU / Some PH bogie man it's fine with me. For example if the cost of a good trade deal with the EU is to handover Gibraltar that's a price worth paying.

And I don't care that Spain has a few bits of Africa.

Hmm. Gib is still a good strategic military base for us. We cannot hand it over against the wishes of its population, how much would it cost to buy them off?

[anonymous-user]

I think you'll find that a few people on here have expressed concern for Gib.

I do hope that the PM states unequivocally that we will support them for whatever they need and do all we can to counter Spanish aggression or awkwardness. Any desire by the Gibraltarians to remain is through necessity and there is no first minister using Brexit as a self-serving opportunity.
Hopefully Spain see parallels in their own Catalonian issue and decide to stay well out.

[Jockman]

Fittster said:

Pupp said:

Err, HK was leased and the lease had expired... how is that a giveaway?

Wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong

Well you learn something new every day

[Einion Yrth]

Fittster said:

Pupp said:

Err, HK was leased and the lease had expired... how is that a giveaway?

Wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong

The new territories were leased. They are I believe mostly farmland, without the new territories then Hong Kong island (and Kowloon) could, at the whim of the Chinese government, be effectively under siege. Not a good state of play in terms of international relations.

[Speed 3]

Prepared for incoming but what exactly is the issue with Gibraltar and why are the UK or the Spanish so wound up about it. The days of strategic naval importance are centuries ago so why would anyone be that fussed about it now ? Their residents must rely almost entirely on the nearest mainland for their day to day existance so why all the angst ?

(I'm a republican BTW so don't give a toss about loyalty to archaic heads of state)

[sherbertdip]

s2art said:

Fittster said:

s2art said:

Fittster said:

We happily gave away Hong Kong, I see no reason why we must hold Gibraltar at all costs.

What costs are you referring to?

If it's politicially expedient for the UK to hand over control to Spain / the EU / Some PH bogie man it's fine with me. For example if the cost of a good trade deal with the EU is to handover Gibraltar that's a price worth paying.

And I don't care that Spain has a few bits of Africa.

Hmm. Gib is still a good strategic military base for us. We cannot hand it over against the wishes of its population, how much would it cost to buy them off?

Not only is it strategically important it is also Nuclear Licensed to allow repair work on our Nuclear subs, as was demonstrated a few years ago, without it we could have faced quite a problem then getting a sub back to the UK.

[nyxster]

Gibraltar. We could have a go at all three as long as we can withdraw the PayPal funds before they realise they got scammed and raise a dispute with eBay. We can use David Cameron's account. When he's gone we can blame it on a rogue operator promise 'lessons will be learned' and offer them a 10 pound gift voucher for Amazon as a goodwill gesture.

[confused_buyer]

Has anyone here been to Gib?

The distrust of the Spanish is huge and runs very deep.

I hope they don't have to choose but given a choice between principle & a closed border and poverty or becoming Spsnish it is pretty obvious which way they'll go. They've done it before.