Anyone give a toss about Gibraltar's future?

[Fat Fairy]

bristolracer said:

Gibraltar is a major intelligence post.
The soviet navy southern fleet have to drive right past it

We shouldn't be giving it up when it is so important to NATO.

NATO is the UK and the Americans all the others make up numbers and whinge about the cost,we really shouldn't be giving up such a valuable intelligence asset when the Russian bear is getting aggressive again.
Given our European neighbours history with changing sides/rolling over who would you trust with Gibraltar?

Hey, no problem with the Spanish taking over, surely? They'll be just as conscientious...........

[alfie2244]

[Jonesy23]

Might be time to be a bit more hard edged when dealing with all those incursions by Spanish boats.

Heightened security and all that.

[brenflys777]

alfie2244 said:

hornetrider said:

anonymous said:

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Doesn't it just. They can fro if they think they can use Gib as a bargaining chip.

France and the Channel islands next?

This is the EU that has stated they've guaranteed peace across Europe since their inception.... quite prepared to ignore the Gibraltar people's right to self determination if it suits one of their members.

[Yipper]

Britain won Gibraltar. Spain lost. End of.

Given Spain is actively trying to steal islands from Morocco (Perejil), the Spanish and EU hypocrisy around Gibraltar is astounding.

If Spain invades Gibraltar, just drop a Trident or two on Madrid and Barcelona. That will focus minds.

[anonymous-user]

Yipper said:

Britain won Gibraltar. Spain lost. End of.

Given Spain is actively trying to steal islands from Morocco (Perejil), the Spanish and EU hypocrisy around Gibraltar is astounding.

If Spain invades Gibraltar, just drop a Trident or two on Madrid and Barcelona. That will focus minds.

It's quality political discourse like this that just keeps me coming back.

[s3fella]

It time we started to realise all these wkers making threats are nobodies. Spain is fked, well and truly, just look at the stats for the economy. We as Brits should now say fk them. Don't spend your pounds there, go on holiday somewhere else, don't buy Spanish produce in the shops, let is fking rot and let Tesco throw it away.
Same for any country that wants to start waving their billy big balls about.

There's plenty more places to get your tapas and plenty of sunny places with British pubs to take your hols in.

Spain, st em.

[jmorgan]

Spain were never going to give up. Even if we stayed.

[bloomen]

I can imagine if the Spanish government were parking nuclear subs and smuggling cigs out of Canvey Island the Brits would be equally narked.

Regardless of that the population there should have their wishes respected. Everything else is just unpleasant noise.

[///ajd]

s3fella said:

It time we started to realise all these wkers making threats are nobodies. Spain is fked, well and truly, just look at the stats for the economy. We as Brits should now say fk them. Don't spend your pounds there, go on holiday somewhere else, don't buy Spanish produce in the shops, let is fking rot and let Tesco throw it away.
Same for any country that wants to start waving their billy big balls about.

There's plenty more places to get your tapas and plenty of sunny places with British pubs to take your hols in.

Spain, st em.

Its posts like these that really put those "don't confuse the EU with Europe, I love Europe" statements into sharp focus. Its never far beneath the surface.

[dandarez]

///ajd said:

s3fella said:

It time we started to realise all these wkers making threats are nobodies. Spain is fked, well and truly, just look at the stats for the economy. We as Brits should now say fk them. Don't spend your pounds there, go on holiday somewhere else, don't buy Spanish produce in the shops, let is fking rot and let Tesco throw it away.
Same for any country that wants to start waving their billy big balls about.

There's plenty more places to get your tapas and plenty of sunny places with British pubs to take your hols in.

Spain, st em.

Its posts like these that really put those "don't confuse the EU with Europe, I love Europe" statements into sharp focus. Its never far beneath the surface.

I just popped in out of the sun. I knew you'd be on here Slasher. Now if anyone lives beneath the surface it's you.

Let's rephrase that bit above about I love Europe. Personally, I mean its people. Those governing are a different kettle of fish, as around the world. The thing here with Spain (those in charge) is it has been rattling its sabres for years about Gib. For f. sake, many of those going to work on the Rock each day are, wait for it Slasher...
Spaniards!

It's the c. in charge who rattle the sabre, not its peoples (most find it hard to exist now, thanks to the fools in charge). As for the latest escapade, that's thanks to the dicks running the EU who allowed this latest thing to happen.
The sooner we are rid of them, the better. IT'S A GRAVY TRAIN!

Oh, I'm curious. Just looked at your profile. No, it's not a hobby, I rarely do it unless it's a new poster.

WTF is an English Electric Lightning doing there? Have you got one in your back garden? Or do you harp back to a golden age, ie the good old days?
They were you know!
I thought you hated the old days?
I would have thought you were in nappies at the time it was retired?

Are you hiding something? Do you have wrinkles and we've got it all wrong?

[crankedup]

Hope that Gib' stays just as is, daughters hubby has close family out there, in fact his pop was born and bred Gib'. Daughter got married in Gib' so we have happy memories.

[///ajd]

The take from El Pais

http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/03/31/inenglish/1490...

suggests
- EU will take Spains side as UK are out
- Spain looking forward to now make "progress" on subject

[s3fella]

///ajd said:

Its posts like these that really put those "don't confuse the EU with Europe, I love Europe" statements into sharp focus. Its never far beneath the surface.

Listen, Snowflake, read what is written here. Spain are using a process from a democratically processed decision for us to leave the EU as an excuse to try to interfere in a matter that is NOTHING to do with the EU. Nothing.

I say, if they want to be so pathetic, fk them. Spend your money elsewhere. Spain is fked, it has massive corruption, huge unemployment, massive youth unemployment etc etc, and yet, instead of worrying about all the issues that make their country so st, they try to start bein billy big balls over Gibraltar, the days after article 50 is triggered. It tells us all we need to know about Spain, they're fking deluded, they're riding the EU gravy train as a massive net beneficiary of it, as such they have no desire nor need to get their own house in order. Instead, they want to try rattling a few cages over Gibraltar.
The subject of this thread is Gibraltar, if you don't like their patriotism, or indeed mine, fking do one. I hope UK Govt sticks up for the Rock, and ignores the fking tts in Spain. And I hope others follow suit and take their business and tourist pounds elsewhere. Maybe then, the Spanish people will start to try to hold it's Govt to account, and start to take a bit of control over their future as the British public have.

Edited by s3fella on Saturday 1st April 16:16

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///ajd said:

The take from El Pais

http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/03/31/inenglish/1490...

suggests
- EU will take Spains side as UK are out
- Spain looking forward to now make "progress" on subject

Jesus tittyfking Christ. Spanish newspaper says Spanish will get "progress" shocker. Even they can't bring themselves to say it'll amount to anything concrete.

What's the matter? Couldn't even find a single article between the Guardian and Independent article to troll with?

[alfie2244]

desolate said:

Yipper said:

Britain won Gibraltar. Spain lost. End of.

Given Spain is actively trying to steal islands from Morocco (Perejil), the Spanish and EU hypocrisy around Gibraltar is astounding.

If Spain invades Gibraltar, just drop a Trident or two on Madrid and Barcelona. That will focus minds.

It's quality political discourse like this that just keeps me coming back.

As far as Spain's rights on Gib there is no political discourse to be had.....Gib is part of the UK unless they decide not to be........end of. If that ever changes I promise I'll send you a pm and you can then pop back in again.

[jonnyb]

s3fella said:

///ajd said:

Its posts like these that really put those "don't confuse the EU with Europe, I love Europe" statements into sharp focus. Its never far beneath the surface.

Listen, Snowflake, read what is written here. Spain are using a process from a democratically processed decision for us to leave the EU as an excuse to try to interfere in a matter that is NOTHING to do with the EU. Nothing.

Except it is. A member of their club wants it to be, and now it is, weather we want it to be or not.

It's one of the down sides of not being part of that club anymore.

Now I'm sure the UK government will do its best, but it has hardly any cards to play, and you shouting and swearing about it won't change that.

It's just mildly amusing.

[alfie2244]

s3fella said:

It time we started to realise all these wkers making threats are nobodies. Spain is fked, well and truly, just look at the stats for the economy. We as Brits should now say fk them. Don't spend your pounds there, go on holiday somewhere else, don't buy Spanish produce in the shops, let is fking rot and let Tesco throw it away.
Same for any country that wants to start waving their billy big balls about.

There's plenty more places to get your tapas and plenty of sunny places with British pubs to take your hols in.

Spain, st em.

Bit tongue and cheek but could we not guarantee existing rights to all EU people currently in the UK legally but not to the Spanish?

[Einion Yrth]

jonnyb said:

weather we want it to be or not.

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Weather? Tremble in your boots lads, one of the least literate posters in these parts has spoken, it must be true.

Or maybe not, I don't think Spain attempting to assume control over Gibraltar is likely to end well.

[FN2TypeR]

The UK joined what is now the EU "with" Gibraltar and now wants to leave - why should the ownership or sovereignty of one of our overseas territories now be called into account?

The EU is foolish if it wishes to stoke the fires of Spanish nationalism and all the travails such an issue will bring, fk them I say.