Anyone give a toss about Gibraltar's future?

[Helicopter123]

saaby93 said:

Helicopter123 said:

We already have a border in the Irish Sea, and while NI joining Schengen (and remaining in the common market) would solve the Irish border, I think that ship has well and truly sailed. Until Ireland is re-unified, I think that the Irish will just have to muddle on as best they can.

or maybe until the British Isles are reunified

Good luck with that.

[Welshbeef]

Helicopter123 said:

Good luck with that.

Seeing the EU selling ROI very short I don’t see why not.


Given the massive bloodshed in the USA before it became the states as it is now what happened in Ireland is no different.

No one today can be blamed both sides are normal people - with some idiots at the niches.

[Helicopter123]

Welshbeef said:

Helicopter123 said:

Good luck with that.

Seeing the EU selling ROI very short I don’t see why not.


Given the massive bloodshed in the USA before it became the states as it is now what happened in Ireland is no different.

No one today can be blamed both sides are normal people - with some idiots at the niches.

Have you ever met an Irishman?

[valiant]

Welshbeef said:

Helicopter123 said:

Good luck with that.

Seeing the EU selling ROI very short I don’t see why not.


Given the massive bloodshed in the USA before it became the states as it is now what happened in Ireland is no different.

No one today can be blamed both sides are normal people - with some idiots at the niches.

You really, really need to read a history book.

[Welshbeef]

Helicopter123 said:

Have you ever met an Irishman?

Yes plenty and all were very nice people

[Gameface]

Welshbeef said:

Helicopter123 said:

Have you ever met an Irishman?

Yes plenty and all were very nice people

Better than the Welsh...

[Derek Smith]

valiant said:

You really, really need to read a history book.

No, you really need to read lots of history books, including, and especially, those that contrdict the myths.

[Welshbeef]

valiant said:

You really, really need to read a history book.

We can all look back at history but Joe Bloggs has never done a thing against ROI. Has England pillaged ROI Centuries ago yes.

Did Rome /Italy pillage U.K.
Did Norway pillage U.K.
Did France do a Russia on Chrimea on Normandy that is British territory.

Did the Hapsberg dynasty ruin Europe and pillage

Did China

Did Ottoman Empire

Etc etc etc.

Yes for all and many others.


So things move on

[ATG]

Welshbeef said:

valiant said:

You really, really need to read a history book.

We can all look back at history but Joe Bloggs has never done a thing against ROI. Has England pillaged ROI Centuries ago yes.

Did Rome /Italy pillage U.K.
Did Norway pillage U.K.
Did France do a Russia on Chrimea on Normandy that is British territory.

Did the Hapsberg dynasty ruin Europe and pillage

Did China

Did Ottoman Empire

Etc etc etc.

Yes for all and many others.


So things move on

Comparing any of those to the idea that the Irish are ever going to be interested in rejoining the UK is ... uhm ... quite a stretch. Any regions of the UK looking to sign up to Norse overlordship at the moment? Anyone looking to invite the Romans back?

Also why do you think they've been legged over by the EU? If anything is the precise opposite and the Irish have made out like bandits. That's certainly the view I hear from Irish people myself.

[OverHonda]

ATG said:

Any regions of the UK looking to sign up to Norse overlordship at the moment?

Well, now that you mention it - depending on if, when & how IndyRef2 goes I think there are a couple of nations that Shetland could be persuaded to transfer to on a Bosman...

[anonymous-user]

ATG said:

Comparing any of those to the idea that the Irish are ever going to be interested in rejoining the UK is ... uhm ... quite a stretch..

UK and ROI have had a very successful Common Travel Area for nearly 100 years which goes much further than Schengen. There is no need for political union to have workable cross border arrangements.

Schengen makes a lot of sense for Gibraltar, just as free movement but not rights to abode works well for Monaco, where the service staff travel in each day then return home outside Monaco after work. And not a French Presidential bribe in sight for the priviledge.

[Helicopter123]

jsf said:

ATG said:

Comparing any of those to the idea that the Irish are ever going to be interested in rejoining the UK is ... uhm ... quite a stretch..

UK and ROI have had a very successful Common Travel Area for nearly 100 years which goes much further than Schengen. There is no need for political union to have workable cross border arrangements.

I’m not sure ‘very successful’ really describes it given the troubles, do you?

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

ATG said:

Comparing any of those to the idea that the Irish are ever going to be interested in rejoining the UK is ... uhm ... quite a stretch..

UK and ROI have had a very successful Common Travel Area for nearly 100 years which goes much further than Schengen. There is no need for political union to have workable cross border arrangements.

Schengen makes a lot of sense for Gibraltar, just as free movement but not rights to abode works well for Monaco, where the service staff travel in each day then return home outside Monaco after work. And not a French Presidential bribe in sight for the priviledge.

Hopefully it'll benefit them, with their particular set of circumstances, as it does some other non-EU nations who have signed up to Schengen.
However it appears they don't want Spanish police involved there, which is quite understandable, and the Spanish are pushing for the opposite.

There is always the underlying agenda.

[Byker28i]

Helicopter123 said:

BlackLabel said:

“ Talks between the UK, Gibraltar and Spain that would allow the territory to enter the Schengen area with free movement at the Rock’s crucial land border are well advanced, according to reports in the Spanish media.

Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.

Brexit means that from January 1, Madrid would be able to create a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar, strangling the territory’s economy.

Spanish newspaper El País reported on Tuesday that Gibraltar and Spain are close to a deal that would allow for free movement across the border, with Gibraltar entering the Schengen space.

Ironically, the change forced by Brexit would bring Gibraltar closer to the EU than ever, with UK visitors still required to show their passports on arrival in the territory, while anyone crossing from Spain into Gibraltar or vice versa would walk through an open border.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-n...

Makes much sense all round, a pragmatic and sensible solution.

Not surprised - there's a huge stream of people cross from the Spanish side of the runway every morning and back again in the evening. Most Uk vistors either come into the airport or the harbour/marina's so I doubt it would make much difference there as you have to show passports.

[saaby93]

Same for Jerusalem.

Did they have border controls 2000 years ago?

[Vanden Saab]

jsf said:

ATG said:

Comparing any of those to the idea that the Irish are ever going to be interested in rejoining the UK is ... uhm ... quite a stretch..

UK and ROI have had a very successful Common Travel Area for nearly 100 years which goes much further than Schengen. There is no need for political union to have workable cross border arrangements.

Schengen makes a lot of sense for Gibraltar, just as free movement but not rights to abode works well for Monaco, where the service staff travel in each day then return home outside Monaco after work. And not a French Presidential bribe in sight for the privilege.

It makes sense for Spain too as at least 20% of the GDP of Andalucia the region next to Gibraltar comes from there.

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

jsf said:

ATG said:

Comparing any of those to the idea that the Irish are ever going to be interested in rejoining the UK is ... uhm ... quite a stretch..

UK and ROI have had a very successful Common Travel Area for nearly 100 years which goes much further than Schengen. There is no need for political union to have workable cross border arrangements.

I’m not sure ‘very successful’ really describes it given the troubles, do you?

Trust you to not understand.

[Helicopter123]

jsf said:

Helicopter123 said:

jsf said:

ATG said:

Comparing any of those to the idea that the Irish are ever going to be interested in rejoining the UK is ... uhm ... quite a stretch..

UK and ROI have had a very successful Common Travel Area for nearly 100 years which goes much further than Schengen. There is no need for political union to have workable cross border arrangements.

I’m not sure ‘very successful’ really describes it given the troubles, do you?

Trust you to not understand.

Do you think a ‘very successful’ CTA needs military check points at the border?

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

Do you think a ‘very successful’ CTA needs military check points at the border?

You think the troubles and the required security response were in any way related to the CTA?
Do you know what the CTA provides the UK and ROI?

[Helicopter123]

jsf said:

Helicopter123 said:

Do you think a ‘very successful’ CTA needs military check points at the border?

You think the troubles and the required security response were in any way related to the CTA?
Do you know what the CTA provides the UK and ROI?

I fully understand the difficulties that Ireland has faced over the past 100 years, and respect the many many lives lost on both sides as a result of the conflict. Why don’t you brush up on your Irish history?