Anyone give a toss about Gibraltar's future?

[kevinon]

I wonder how many people who voted to leave the EU had given much thought to their fellow Brits in Gibraltar?

Gib voted 96% remain on a turnout of 84%. But it was hard to turn down the £350m a week for the NHS, right?

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

I fully understand the difficulties that Ireland has faced over the past 100 years, and respect the many many lives lost on both sides as a result of the conflict. Why don’t you brush up on your Irish history?

[dudleybloke]

saaby93 said:

Same for Jerusalem.

Did they have border controls 2000 years ago?

They built a wall.

[Murph7355]

kevinon said:

I wonder how many people who voted to leave the EU had given much thought to their fellow Brits in Gibraltar?

Gib voted 96% remain on a turnout of 84%. But it was hard to turn down the £350m a week for the NHS, right?

We voted as one entity - the UK.

The last time I was aware of views on the matter the citizens of Gibraltar wanted very much to remain part of the UK

Still, we should have Remained so that the people on Gib' got what they wanted I guess.

[Helicopter123]

Murph7355 said:

kevinon said:

I wonder how many people who voted to leave the EU had given much thought to their fellow Brits in Gibraltar?

Gib voted 96% remain on a turnout of 84%. But it was hard to turn down the £350m a week for the NHS, right?

We voted as one entity - the UK.

The last time I was aware of views on the matter the citizens of Gibraltar wanted very much to remain part of the UK

Still, we should have Remained so that the people on Gib' got what they wanted I guess.

Joining Schengen goes a long way to resolving Gibraltar - gives them the best of both worlds?

[ArmaghMan]

Derek Smith said:

No, you really need to read lots of history books, including, and especially, those that contrdict the myths.

Any myths in particular?

[BlackLabel]

“ Spain has reached a deal with the UK to maintain free movement to and from Gibraltar once the UK formally leaves the EU on Friday.
To avoid a hard border, they have agreed that Gibraltar will join the EU's Schengen zone and follow other EU rules, while remaining part of the UK.
The deal was announced by Spanish Foreign Minister Arancha González Laya, just hours before the UK exits the EU.
The Rock voted Remain in 2016 and about 15,000 Spanish workers go there daily.
"With this [agreement], the fence is removed, Schengen is applied to Gibraltar... it allows for the lifting of controls between Gibraltar and Spain," said Ms González Laya.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55497084

[Ian Geary]

BlackLabel said:

“ Spain has reached a deal with the UK to maintain free movement to and from Gibraltar once the UK formally leaves the EU on Friday.
To avoid a hard border, they have agreed that Gibraltar will join the EU's Schengen zone and follow other EU rules, while remaining part of the UK.
The deal was announced by Spanish Foreign Minister Arancha González Laya, just hours before the UK exits the EU.
The Rock voted Remain in 2016 and about 15,000 Spanish workers go there daily.
"With this [agreement], the fence is removed, Schengen is applied to Gibraltar... it allows for the lifting of controls between Gibraltar and Spain," said Ms González Laya.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55497084

So there is now a boarder needed between Gibraltar and the rest of the UK.

But, given most Brits would go there via plane (a small number by boat also) I can't see this being a major issue for Brits (including those living in gib), as air travel already requires I'd checks.

I recall reading the Spanish wanted to separate Gibraltar from the "rest" of brexit, and I guess given it affects their (and Gibraltar's) economy so directly, I can see why.

But to answer the question of the thread: no, I don't think many UK citizens give a toss more than in passing, as it affects so few of us.

Scotland is just doing a slightly bigger version of it, as is Wales, Cornwall and why not even London? Which is nearly bigger than all of those outlying regions of the UK put together.

[Vanden Saab]

Ian Geary said:

BlackLabel said:

“ Spain has reached a deal with the UK to maintain free movement to and from Gibraltar once the UK formally leaves the EU on Friday.
To avoid a hard border, they have agreed that Gibraltar will join the EU's Schengen zone and follow other EU rules, while remaining part of the UK.
The deal was announced by Spanish Foreign Minister Arancha González Laya, just hours before the UK exits the EU.
The Rock voted Remain in 2016 and about 15,000 Spanish workers go there daily.
"With this [agreement], the fence is removed, Schengen is applied to Gibraltar... it allows for the lifting of controls between Gibraltar and Spain," said Ms González Laya.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55497084

So there is now a boarder needed between Gibraltar and the rest of the UK.

But, given most Brits would go there via plane (a small number by boat also) I can't see this being a major issue for Brits (including those living in gib), as air travel already requires I'd checks.

I recall reading the Spanish wanted to separate Gibraltar from the "rest" of brexit, and I guess given it affects their (and Gibraltar's) economy so directly, I can see why.

But to answer the question of the thread: no, I don't think many UK citizens give a toss more than in passing, as it affects so few of us.

Scotland is just doing a slightly bigger version of it, as is Wales, Cornwall and why not even London? Which is nearly bigger than all of those outlying regions of the UK put together.

Many Brits go there by road from Spain. I assume Schengen means no checks at the border so we will be able to travel between Spain and Gib at will unless it works as the CTA does where you have to self-declare at the border/no border.

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

Many Brits go there by road from Spain. I assume Schengen means no checks at the border so we will be able to travel between Spain and Gib at will unless it works as the CTA does where you have to self-declare at the border/no border.

Once you are inside Schengen you can travel without border checks inside the zone, unless the state decides to erect temporary restrictions, as has happened during Covid.

[Byker28i]

Rush hour in Gib is very busy on the road from spain across the runway. It's often quicker to walk than take a car, which explains why the electric scooters are so popular. They didn't need any hold up so it's good this has been agreed

[Helicopter123]

jsf said:

Vanden Saab said:

Many Brits go there by road from Spain. I assume Schengen means no checks at the border so we will be able to travel between Spain and Gib at will unless it works as the CTA does where you have to self-declare at the border/no border.

Once you are inside Schengen you can travel without border checks inside the zone, unless the state decides to erect temporary restrictions, as has happened during Covid.

FoM is a wonderful thing.

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

FoM is a wonderful thing.

Certainly is for the youth of Eastern and Southern Europe who have mobile skills. Sucks ass for their ever more elderly population in their homeland though.