Tory Leadership Election
Poll: Tory Leadership Election
Total Members Polled: 433
Discussion
techiedave said:
Excellent.
The Tories don't mess around.
Meanwhile Labour indulges its own favourite habit of tearing itself apart.
A good day for the UK A good day for the Tories. A good day for Government. A good day for stability.
Excellent
Agreed.The Tories don't mess around.
Meanwhile Labour indulges its own favourite habit of tearing itself apart.
A good day for the UK A good day for the Tories. A good day for Government. A good day for stability.
Excellent
The Conservatives have played a blinder here. Fast action in getting a new leader (PM) in place to allow them to get on with the economic and political agenda.
Had there been a leadership ballot by party members it would have had a negative effect on the economy, and potentially the party’s credibility. Maybe the Conservatives are learning how to act as a united force.
Derek Smith said:
There is every chance that in years to come there could be another international trade body rising, something like the Pan Pacific, but who could be in it? There are precious few countries that are not aligned, at least those worth trading with.
You mean the TPP? Covers 40% of world trade? Are we allowed to join it as a member of the EU?brenflys777 said:
" Not all outers are racists, but I guarantee every racist will vote out! "
That little pearl of vitriol was attributed to Will Self; it appeared on my FB feed too.Jockman said:
Derek Smith said:
There is every chance that in years to come there could be another international trade body rising, something like the Pan Pacific, but who could be in it? There are precious few countries that are not aligned, at least those worth trading with.
You mean the TPP? Covers 40% of world trade? Are we allowed to join it as a member of the EU?hidetheelephants said:
brenflys777 said:
" Not all outers are racists, but I guarantee every racist will vote out! "
That little pearl of vitriol was attributed to Will Self; it appeared on my FB feed too.Jockman said:
Derek Smith said:
There is every chance that in years to come there could be another international trade body rising, something like the Pan Pacific, but who could be in it? There are precious few countries that are not aligned, at least those worth trading with.
You mean the TPP? Covers 40% of world trade? Are we allowed to join it as a member of the EU?Zod said:
The EEA that we need the consent of the EU Member States and the EEA Member States to join. Stop thinking that the EEA is an easy default option. It is anything but.
It isn't a default, but it has attractions for the EU; it gets brexit over with quickly(good for stability with the EZ looking more and more wobbly) and maintains access to UK markets for EU manufacturers(also good for EZ stability) and holds the best prospect of not damaging the UK economy(Juncker et al aside, a healthy UK that's still in the single market is good for the EU). Signing an agreement quickly allows them to look statesmanlike in front of cameras, there will be a big party and lots of champagne. The bunfight will be over how much the UK pays for membership, what happens to the fish, freedom of movement for labour etc. Simply revoking existing fishing licences and quota is likely illegal and would definitely prevent Portugal, Spain and France agreeing, so perhaps existing quota will decline annually and eventually be replaced by purchasing quota for 5 years, or quota allocated by lottery; control of fisheries is complicated and emotive stuff as it's as much environmental and social policy as it is economic resource policy.hidetheelephants said:
It isn't a default, but it has attractions for the EU; it gets brexit over with quickly(good for stability with the EZ looking more and more wobbly) and maintains access to UK markets for EU manufacturers(also good for EZ stability) and holds the best prospect of not damaging the UK economy(Juncker et al aside, a healthy UK that's still in the single market is good for the EU). Signing an agreement quickly allows them to look statesmanlike in front of cameras, there will be a big party and lots of champagne. The bunfight will be over how much the UK pays for membership, what happens to the fish, freedom of movement for labour etc. Simply revoking existing fishing licences and quota is likely illegal and would definitely prevent Portugal, Spain and France agreeing, so perhaps existing quota will decline annually and eventually be replaced by purchasing quota for 5 years, or quota allocated by lottery; control of fisheries is complicated and emotive stuff as it's as much environmental and social policy as it is economic resource policy.
We'll sell our seas, a gift for concessions. We've got too few fishermen/women to be worth bothering about, in the eyes of the governmtnt that is.
jjlynn27 said:
Halb said:
Derek Smith said:
Going down to the WTO would be a disaster for this country. It really isn't an option, other than if all else fails.
How come?Derek Smith said:
Going down to the WTO would be a disaster for this country. It really isn't an option, other than if all else fails.
There is every chance that in years to come there could be another international trade body rising, something like the Pan Pacific, but who could be in it? There are precious few countries that are not aligned, at least those worth trading with.
Initially we should go for EU Lite, something like Norway has. It will cost of course, but could be a holding position until we get settled. The referendum has forced an action. We are unable to pick a time to go out when we are at our strongest, or where concessions would have to be awarded. So settling for more of the same, but different enough to satisfy the referendum result, would allow us to have chats with other countries.
We don't want to go to other countries with cap in hand.
what we should be doing is driving a global change in attitude toward international trade to hasten the end of all trade barriers derek. the world is a very small place these days, though apparently not as small as the minds of those involved in negotiating trade deals for the eu that can take up to ten years. this is a nonsense in this day an age.There is every chance that in years to come there could be another international trade body rising, something like the Pan Pacific, but who could be in it? There are precious few countries that are not aligned, at least those worth trading with.
Initially we should go for EU Lite, something like Norway has. It will cost of course, but could be a holding position until we get settled. The referendum has forced an action. We are unable to pick a time to go out when we are at our strongest, or where concessions would have to be awarded. So settling for more of the same, but different enough to satisfy the referendum result, would allow us to have chats with other countries.
We don't want to go to other countries with cap in hand.
Halb said:
Thank you, but I don't require a subscription.
Oh, I don't have subscription either and it opens fine. Maybe try incognito?Maybe try this;
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/07/w...
Both are basically an interview with director general of WTO on brexit.
jjlynn27 said:
Oh, I don't have subscription either and it opens fine. Maybe try incognito?
Maybe try this;
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/07/w...
Both are basically an interview with director general of WTO on brexit.
Thank you. Maybe try this;
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/07/w...
Both are basically an interview with director general of WTO on brexit.
deadslow said:
techiedave said:
Excellent.
The Tories don't mess around.
yes, excellent. Dave promises a referendum purely for party political reasons, to placate his own loony lot and to keep Farage out of Westminster. Sheer careerist crap. He runs the worst campaign known to man, looses the vote and runs away, deserting the country when we need stability most. What a hero.The Tories don't mess around.
Meanwhile the Brexiteers, who all jumped on that bandwagon to further their own political careers, thinking they will take over the gubbermint if they win, either knife each other or run away, like the slimy turds they all are.
Yes, excellent.
Dave does indeed promise a referendum for very good reason and believes he and they will walk it. He does it and IMHO should have stood above it rather than nailing his mast to the out campaign but he does it because he believes its the right thing to do. The campaign throws everything it can at it but loses. He then resigns with dignity believing that it should be for others to lead us out and recognising that his credibility to lead us out is damaged. Some brexiters did indeed turn against each other. And the outcome of that is a good solid woman at the helm a cabinet from various parts of the tory party who are determined to run our country and recognises its great strengths and a clear firm government in place
Yes EXCELLENT
Robertj21a said:
AndyDubbya said:
Indeed. I wonder if, in return for ensuring some speedy leadership, mothergate will be forgiven in fairly short order, Teresa May will look magnanimous as a result, and Andrea Leadsom will get a promotion. Win-win. Let's wait & see!
Let's hope not, she came over as a rather poor candidate for any senior role. I doubt that Maggie May will be that welcoming to her, mother or not.jjlynn27 said:
Well that's not reassuring, is it?I thought the WTO would be something of a backstop, with a sort of welcome mat being put our for a country with out size of market.
It seems clear that they don't want us. Why's that?
wc98 said:
what we should be doing is driving a global change in attitude toward international trade to hasten the end of all trade barriers derek. the world is a very small place these days, though apparently not as small as the minds of those involved in negotiating trade deals for the eu that can take up to ten years. this is a nonsense in this day an age.
What we don't want to do is be in the vanguard. We've got a strong economy so risks are, well risky. It would be nice to think that there is the chance of worldwide barrier-free trading, but that won't happen. Can you imagine the USA complying? Come to that, nor would this country's leaders want that?
Too much vested interests.
Derek Smith said:
jjlynn27 said:
Well that's not reassuring, is it?I thought the WTO would be something of a backstop, with a sort of welcome mat being put our for a country with out size of market.
It seems clear that they don't want us. Why's that?
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