Tory Leadership Election

[cirian75]

king arthur said:

Looks like we will have our second female PM. Will she invoke memories of the first?

is the pope catholic ?

[Blue Cat]

May, Clinton and Merkel and of course Sturgeon in the North

Why am I suddenly reminded of Game of Thrones!

[Beati Dogu]

Because they all need a trip through the moon door?

[lostkiwi]

Winter is coming....

[BJG1]

Theresa May is awful, she has a long record of curtailing civil rights and passing invasive "security" bills, she was the loudest voice in withdrawing from the ECHR (which she's now backed down from) and she's behind the most illiberal, unfair and poorly written pieces of legislation in my life time in the psychoactive substances bill.

Michael Gove is a reformer and a liberal. If you want to know the difference between the two candidates, look at their respective party conference speeches. Whilst May did her best to deliver Enoch Powell's words from beyond the grave in a nasty, divisive and outright racist speech, Gove delivered the most extrordinary speech from a Tory Justice Minister in history. He didn't mention the word "punishment" once, deciding to focus instead on the importance of rehabilitation and treating prisoners as actual human beings, he immediately overturned his predeccesor's decision to take books away from prisons.

I know which one I want to see leading the country, though I dare say the average PHer would watch May's speech cock-in-hand and be spitting feathers that Gove hadn't agreed to bring back the death penalty for people who shop in Asda.

[Beati Dogu]

Not quite a dragon, but perhaps Burt the psychic crocodile could help pick a leader:

http://www.france24.com/en/20160630-burt-psychic-c...

He doesn't seem to like the ladies though. He's eaten three of his girlfriends.

[BJG1]

ash73 said:

Gove is pro death penalty, iirc?

He wrote a column 20 years ago supporting it out of "respect for democracy" (at the time there was a clear majority in favour of it). He hasn't expressed the sentiment since and his time as Justice Secretary has clearly shown it's not a position he holds anymore (if he did at all, columnists are paid to write stuff that sells papers at the end of the day)

[PositronicRay]

BJG1 said:

Michael Gove is a reformer and a liberal.

[JNW1]

longshot said:

My money is on Gove.

I'm not a Conservative but he appears to be a capable man.

Not sure there's many who work in education who'd agree with that but I guess most politicians who've risen to any sort of level of seniority will have made enemies along the way!

Theresa May seems to be emerging as the early favourite but what I don't quite understand is that David Cameron said he was stepping aside because he'd campaigned to remain in the EU and therefore felt it was inappropriate for him to lead us to a destination he didn't want to go. Theresa May was also on the Remain side of the argument (albeit not quite as high profile as the PM) so if we end-up with a "Remainer" at the helm wouldn't it have been no less appropriate for Cameron to continue and reduce the feeling of instability? In fairness I can see why he wants to go but if there's going to be a leadership change to me it makes more sense to have someone from the Leave side as PM (although I'd also want to see plenty of Remainers in the new cabinet as we now need a government that's going to try to pull a divided country together).

[Gandahar]

Axionknight said:

Gandahar said:

Fittster said:

So do PHers still believe that austerity is necessary?

Probably best for another thread.

however saying that we have 2 new nuclear aircraft carriers with expensive planes that will not be ready till 2023 ...

Just one will protect the Falklands .... bet it still goes ahead though ....

They aren't nuclear powered - conventional engines.

Thanks for the correction my right learned gentleman. So a bit cheaper then.

(see I am even learning the lingo now)

Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 30th June 16:01

[TankRizzo]

I'd vote for Gove, but he will be toxic after his time as Education Secretary.

[s2art]

Gandahar said:

Axionknight said:

Gandahar said:

Fittster said:

So do PHers still believe that austerity is necessary?

Probably best for another thread.

however saying that we have 2 new nuclear aircraft carriers with expensive planes that will not be ready till 2023 ...

Just one will protect the Falklands .... bet it still goes ahead though ....

They aren't nuclear powered - conventional engines.

Thanks for the correction my right learned gentleman. So a bit cheaper then.

Depends on the mileage (knotage?) covered I imagine.

[Jockman]

Munter said:

skirk said:

Can you imagine what the world would be like.....May....Clinton......Merkel....All with their fingers on the button.........scarey.....If their monthlys all synchronise we are all fked.....

I thought my hot tub post was pretty sexist but that's top work there skirk.

I'd sooner May, Clinton and Merkel all in power at the same moment. Over Corbyn, Trump and Putin.

How many 'monthlys' do you guys think women of that age have?

[ALawson]

Jockman said:

How many 'monthlys' do you guys think women of that age have?

More like hot flushes!

[don'tbesilly]

Elroy Blue said:

Theresa May had been just about the most vindictive, incompetent Home Secretary in living memory. One thing she is good at, is blaming everyone else for her failures. I was hoping I would be able to return to voting Tory, no chance if she's in charge. Looks like I'll be doing the 'none of the above' thing again

Nail on head, couldn't agree more.

Apparently she's was for 'remain', not that you would have known that.

May played a good game of not really showing her true colours during the campaign, I think she hid in the cupboard under the stairs at No 10, and Sam popped her head in from time to time to make sure we was still breathing.

Hopeless woman, not worthy of the position of PM or any position in the cabinet.

[BJG1]

TankRizzo said:

I'd vote for Gove, but he will be toxic after his time as Education Secretary.

I think he only pissed off people who wouldn't vote Tory anyway in his time there. The school governer I work with loves him!

[Mark Benson]

PositronicRay said:

BJG1 said:

Michael Gove is a reformer and a liberal.

A classical liberal, not the modern hijack of the term by authoritarian holier than thou types.

[FredClogs]

Before anyone votes in this (if you're illegible) could you please refresh your memory as to why Liam Fox resigned originally and his expenses "portfolio" which inlude an individual expenses claim for 3p to cover a 100m car journey (presumably from number 9 to number 11 downing st).

How these people manage to resign in utter disgrace only to come back a few years later as if nothing happened is beyond me, he's the Tory Parties Mandleson, in more ways than one, and the man is utterly contemptible. Turd.

I can't see anyone winning this now other than May, if Gove get's it then we really are fked, the man is a cuk.

Never heard of the other two, an ex banker and a welsh Tory... Nah, you're alright but thanks for taking part.

Edited by FredClogs on Thursday 30th June 16:39

[Mark Benson]

BJG1 said:

TankRizzo said:

I'd vote for Gove, but he will be toxic after his time as Education Secretary.

I think he only pissed off people who wouldn't vote Tory anyway in his time there. The school governer I work with loves him!

The teaching unions and the BBC hated him. In fact most of the bien-pensant left did (you know, the ones now trying to work out why the uneducated proles didn't do as they were told in the referendum) but he delivered what teachers had been asking for for decades; budget freedom from inept local authorities and more autonomy to teach what they thought was best.
Problem was, he was a Tory and that seemed to make them cross after years of Labour inactivity. Plus of course the directness of him, he tends to say what he's thinking, including the remarks that got him fired when talking to Allegra Stratton on his teaching reforms.

Gove: “What I can tell you is that outstanding teachers, and outstanding head teachers, are, I find, overwhelmingly in favour of what we’re doing.”
Stratton: “So it’s the bad ones that don’t get it?”
Gove: “Yes.”

He'd be a good PM, he got a lot done at education, not all of it perfect but what we need now is someone who'll get on with the job, not be faffing about on the sidelines taking opinion polls before any decision.

[walm]

FredClogs said:

Before anyone votes in this (if you're illegible)...

Only doctors allowed to vote?
Fox might be in with a chance...