Tory Leadership Election
Poll: Tory Leadership Election
Total Members Polled: 433
Discussion
contango said:
On merit, I would go for Leadsom...
However, she is an ex banker and that would most likely make her un electable in a general election to a large part of the UK's voters.
I think she has put herself forward, so that she is offered a position by offering her support to the next PM.
She would be well suited to the Brexit negotiating team or possibly chancellor?
I like Leadsom too, but Osborne, whether you like him or not, needs to remain a steady hand in charge of the economy whilst we're undergoing such dramatic changes.However, she is an ex banker and that would most likely make her un electable in a general election to a large part of the UK's voters.
I think she has put herself forward, so that she is offered a position by offering her support to the next PM.
She would be well suited to the Brexit negotiating team or possibly chancellor?
May or Leadsom as PM.
Gove is a disgrace and has publicly stitched up a colleague, how you trust such a character with the fate of your Country is beyond me.
jjlynn27 said:
Esseesse said:
Indeed, Aaron Banks looking to capitalise here... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/le...
link said:
Banks has been credited with professionalising Ukip’s referendum push through the Leave.EU campaign. He deployed senior executives and staff from his insurance companies and hired the Washington DC political campaign strategy firm Goddard Gunster on a multimillion-pound fee to sharpen its message.
“It was taking an American-style media approach,” said Banks. “What they said early on was ‘facts don’t work’ and that’s it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success.”
One video on the Leave.EU Facebook page, viewed 1.6m times, begins: “Are you concerned about the amount of crime committed in the UK by foreign criminals?” before ending with the message: “Isn’t it time to take back control.”
“The Conservatives are now trying to rewrite the campaign that immigration wasn’t important, but boy was immigration important,” Banks said. “The first thing we did was poll everybody and we found that if immigration wasn’t the issue, the issue was schools or education, proxies for immigration. It was the number one issue by a country mile.”
I was under impression that he and Farage are best of buddies?“It was taking an American-style media approach,” said Banks. “What they said early on was ‘facts don’t work’ and that’s it. The remain campaign featured fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. It just doesn’t work. You have got to connect with people emotionally. It’s the Trump success.”
One video on the Leave.EU Facebook page, viewed 1.6m times, begins: “Are you concerned about the amount of crime committed in the UK by foreign criminals?” before ending with the message: “Isn’t it time to take back control.”
“The Conservatives are now trying to rewrite the campaign that immigration wasn’t important, but boy was immigration important,” Banks said. “The first thing we did was poll everybody and we found that if immigration wasn’t the issue, the issue was schools or education, proxies for immigration. It was the number one issue by a country mile.”
contango said:
The only problem with that is May has stated she will halt Osborne's austerity measures.
If Osborne is Ok with that, we may see May as PM, Osborne as chancellor and Gove /Leadsom heading up the Brexit commitee.
Of the available options, that would appear to be the best team we have going forward.......but then we said that last week before playing Iceland!
May PMIf Osborne is Ok with that, we may see May as PM, Osborne as chancellor and Gove /Leadsom heading up the Brexit commitee.
Of the available options, that would appear to be the best team we have going forward.......but then we said that last week before playing Iceland!
Boris FM
Osborne No 11 ( but would prefer FM)
Gove Home Office - can deal with 10's of thousands
Leadsom/Grayling - Brexit
Ruth Davidson - to neuter Sturgeon
Liam Fox Tea/Coffee
BlackLabel said:
May will just be Cameron mark II imo. She's certainly just as pro EU as he was. This makes Dave's decision to step down now even more regrettable. He should have carried on for another year or 2 until someone younger and with fresher ideas could take over.
I expect she will be her own man.Well she's spent years talking about 2 main things:
1. Immigration and reducing it (net) to below 100k - she's been even more vociferous than Cameron about this.
2. Withdrawing from the European convention on human rights and replacing it with a British bill of rights. She claims Britain will be a lot safer this way. Then again she also claimed that London would not be safe if Sadiq Khan was elected as Mayor.
Well it won't be long until she flip flops on both these issues. And if so what exactly does she stand for?
1. Immigration and reducing it (net) to below 100k - she's been even more vociferous than Cameron about this.
2. Withdrawing from the European convention on human rights and replacing it with a British bill of rights. She claims Britain will be a lot safer this way. Then again she also claimed that London would not be safe if Sadiq Khan was elected as Mayor.
Well it won't be long until she flip flops on both these issues. And if so what exactly does she stand for?
BlackLabel said:
Well she's spent years talking about 2 main things:
1. Immigration and reducing it (net) to below 100k - she's been even more vociferous than Cameron about this.
2. Withdrawing from the European convention on human rights and replacing it with a British bill of rights. She claims Britain will be a lot safer this way. Then again she also claimed that London would not be safe if Sadiq Khan was elected as Mayor.
Well it won't be long until she flip flops on both these issues. And if so what exactly does she stand for?
A fail so far, but then CMD was the special advisor to Lamont on the ERM - a failed project1. Immigration and reducing it (net) to below 100k - she's been even more vociferous than Cameron about this.
2. Withdrawing from the European convention on human rights and replacing it with a British bill of rights. She claims Britain will be a lot safer this way. Then again she also claimed that London would not be safe if Sadiq Khan was elected as Mayor.
Well it won't be long until she flip flops on both these issues. And if so what exactly does she stand for?
BlackLabel said:
Well she's spent years talking about 2 main things:
1. Immigration and reducing it (net) to below 100k - she's been even more vociferous than Cameron about this.
2. Withdrawing from the European convention on human rights and replacing it with a British bill of rights. She claims Britain will be a lot safer this way. Then again she also claimed that London would not be safe if Sadiq Khan was elected as Mayor.
Well it won't be long until she flip flops on both these issues. And if so what exactly does she stand for?
Snooping your emails and watching you, that's what she stands for.1. Immigration and reducing it (net) to below 100k - she's been even more vociferous than Cameron about this.
2. Withdrawing from the European convention on human rights and replacing it with a British bill of rights. She claims Britain will be a lot safer this way. Then again she also claimed that London would not be safe if Sadiq Khan was elected as Mayor.
Well it won't be long until she flip flops on both these issues. And if so what exactly does she stand for?
dirty boy said:
contango said:
On merit, I would go for Leadsom...
However, she is an ex banker and that would most likely make her un electable in a general election to a large part of the UK's voters.
I think she has put herself forward, so that she is offered a position by offering her support to the next PM.
She would be well suited to the Brexit negotiating team or possibly chancellor?
I like Leadsom too, but Osborne, whether you like him or not, needs to remain a steady hand in charge of the economy whilst we're undergoing such dramatic changes.However, she is an ex banker and that would most likely make her un electable in a general election to a large part of the UK's voters.
I think she has put herself forward, so that she is offered a position by offering her support to the next PM.
She would be well suited to the Brexit negotiating team or possibly chancellor?
May or Leadsom as PM.
Gove is a disgrace and has publicly stitched up a colleague, how you trust such a character with the fate of your Country is beyond me.
Can anyone explain why Gove is to blame for Boris not standing?
Edited by MarshPhantom on Friday 1st July 11:39
If Andrea Leadsom was the Conservative leader, UKIP would be finished and the Conservatives could fight a united election after BREXIT.
I suspect May will win, but whilst she makes a good speech she's damaged the police, civil liberties and made promises on immigration that she knew were impossible. Sitting on the fence should be painful rather than advantageous.
I suspect May will win, but whilst she makes a good speech she's damaged the police, civil liberties and made promises on immigration that she knew were impossible. Sitting on the fence should be painful rather than advantageous.
BlackLabel said:
May will just be Cameron mark II imo. She's certainly just as pro EU as he was. This makes Dave's decision to step down now even more regrettable. He should have carried on for another year or 2 until someone younger and with fresher ideas could take over.
Cameron stood down because he said the country had decided to go in a different direction from what he wanted and therefore he wasn't the right person to take us to the next destination; May wanted the same outcome as Cameron so if you accept Cameron's logic for stepping-down it makes no sense to replace him with May (or indeed anyone else who supported Remain). However, I don't really accept that the PM has to be a Leave supporter and for that reason I don't think Cameron needed to step-down; I think it was more a case of him thinking "this is going to be awful, why should I be bothered with sorting the mess when I never wanted to leave?". My answer to that would be he created the mess by calling the referendum in the first place and part of the responsibility that goes with his position is to help make things work regardless of the result; therefore, I agree he should have stayed-on as PM for at least another year or so and not fanned the flames by creating a political vacuum.
I have never even considered voting Tory let alone been a party member but from what I am hearing from Gove I just might "consider" doing so if he gets elected.
I don't know much about him other than what I have heard from him recently - obviously he is anti EU so that helps, but if he is elected as PM (by Tory members)and then follows through with his "pledges" contained within his PM pitch then, come the next GE, I would certainly "think" about voting Tory.
Yes he may have stabbed Boris in the back but then again they are all at it whether they are Tory, Labour, UKIP et al and I would controversially suggest that, sad as it may seem, 90% of people would stab collegues in the back if it meant a few quid more in their wage packet or promotion in work.legacy of Maggie's "look after No1" mantra IMO.
I think only a true outer should lead the Brexit negotiations, he might not have the charisma of Boris but Gove seems to be the person to do that for me.
I don't know much about him other than what I have heard from him recently - obviously he is anti EU so that helps, but if he is elected as PM (by Tory members)and then follows through with his "pledges" contained within his PM pitch then, come the next GE, I would certainly "think" about voting Tory.
Yes he may have stabbed Boris in the back but then again they are all at it whether they are Tory, Labour, UKIP et al and I would controversially suggest that, sad as it may seem, 90% of people would stab collegues in the back if it meant a few quid more in their wage packet or promotion in work.legacy of Maggie's "look after No1" mantra IMO.
I think only a true outer should lead the Brexit negotiations, he might not have the charisma of Boris but Gove seems to be the person to do that for me.
Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 1st July 12:14
rolando said:
What do we do about the Tory MPs who are supporting May but whose constituents voted leave, apart from writing to them?
I can't think of anything else but, I've just emailed my TelfordMP Lucy Allen (62%leave area) to ask her to reconsider May's narrow appeal and back a fresh start BREXITER Leadsom who non/lapsed conservatives like myself could back and return to support them. Gove said:
What this country needs in a Prime Minister is not just a cool head but a heart burning with the desire for change. What this country needs is not just a plan to make do and mend but a vision to transform our country for the better. I have that vision — to build an even more dynamic economy, and a society that is fundamentally more fair.
Full text for anyone interested http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/michael-gove-...
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