Tory Leadership Election

Poll: Tory Leadership Election

Total Members Polled: 433

BoJo Boris Johnson (Leave): 72
I-Spy Theresa May (Remain): 219
Andrea Leadsom (Leave): 70
Gay can be cured Stephen Crabb (Remain): 17
Dr Jeremy Hunt (Remain): 5
Free Jolly Liam Fox (Leave): 9
Sajid Javid (Remain): 7
Beaker Nicky Morgan (Remain): 3
Jezza Corbyn (um): 14
I back JoBo honest Mike Gove: 30
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vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Gove is making promises from the magic money tree it seems.

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Timbergiant said:
Theresa May for me, she's gorgeous. there, I said it.
Yesterday, when she held a press conference, her blouse was done up to the neck. I get the impression that she feels an exposed cleavage is inappropriate for a Prime Minister.

Ask yourself, did Margaret Thatcher ever show cleavage?

I would like May to stay at the Home Office.

avinalarf

6,438 posts

141 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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My take on Gove / Boris might be interpreted thus.
Boris was ahead in the popularity stakes so Gove thinks that with Boris's popularity and Gove's analytical brains it was a winning combination.
Over the weekend after trying and failing to pin down Boris on actual detail,rather that the usual bluster, he came to the awkward decision that Boris was not the right guy to lead the party.
We then have Theresa May becoming a strong contender so Gove decides that his best bet is to put himself forward.
Today Gove made a pretty good speech,whether you believe in him is up to you but at least he presented a decent plan.
Personally I don't think Boris was the right man to become PM in this chaotic political environment just not enough gravitas and to ready to just wing it.

Blue62

8,751 posts

151 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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avinalarf said:
My take on Gove / Boris might be interpreted thus.
Boris was ahead in the popularity stakes so Gove thinks that with Boris's popularity and Gove's analytical brains it was a winning combination.
Over the weekend after trying and failing to pin down Boris on actual detail,rather that the usual bluster, he came to the awkward decision that Boris was not the right guy to lead the party.
We then have Theresa May becoming a strong contender so Gove decides that his best bet is to put himself forward.
Today Gove made a pretty good speech,whether you believe in him is up to you but at least he presented a decent plan.
Personally I don't think Boris was the right man to become PM in this chaotic political environment just not enough gravitas and to ready to just wing it.
It's a theory, but doesn't fit the events. It looks more as though Boris bottled it, he recognises that delivering on Brexit promises will be impossible and had started to backtrack, he never expected to win and was hoping for a close call to build up his political capital, so when Cameron resigned and left A50 to his successor he effectively had Boris at check-mate. Boris knows that it will be political suicide but Gove seemingly thinks we can make the exit work. Somewhere in the midst of all this is our favourite Australian, Mr Murdoch, the man who (now that those nasty Brussels types are on the run) is really calling the shots.

PositronicRay

26,959 posts

182 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Blue62 said:
It's a theory, but doesn't fit the events. It looks more as though Boris bottled it, he recognises that delivering on Brexit promises will be impossible and had started to backtrack, he never expected to win and was hoping for a close call to build up his political capital, so when Cameron resigned and left A50 to his successor he effectively had Boris at check-mate. Boris knows that it will be political suicide but Gove seemingly thinks we can make the exit work. Somewhere in the midst of all this is our favourite Australian, Mr Murdoch, the man who (now that those nasty Brussels types are on the run) is really calling the shots.
If Gove looks like he has a chance of winning he'll duck out. A carefully hatched plan for the pair of them to have jail free cards.

Gove has been on record many, many times saying he doesn't have the patience & charisma to be PM. I think, Gove would like be Brexit minister though.

brenflys777

2,678 posts

176 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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rolando said:
What do we do about the Tory MPs who are supporting May but whose constituents voted leave, apart from writing to them?
I can't think of anything else but, I've just emailed my TelfordMP Lucy Allen (62%leave area) to ask her to reconsider May's narrow appeal and back a fresh start BREXITER Leadsom who non/lapsed conservatives like myself could back and return to support them.

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Arron Banks has thrown his weight behind Leadsom.

Things are looking up.


avinalarf

6,438 posts

141 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Blue62 said:
avinalarf said:
My take on Gove / Boris might be interpreted thus.
Boris was ahead in the popularity stakes so Gove thinks that with Boris's popularity and Gove's analytical brains it was a winning combination.
Over the weekend after trying and failing to pin down Boris on actual detail,rather that the usual bluster, he came to the awkward decision that Boris was not the right guy to lead the party.
We then have Theresa May becoming a strong contender so Gove decides that his best bet is to put himself forward.
Today Gove made a pretty good speech,whether you believe in him is up to you but at least he presented a decent plan.
Personally I don't think Boris was the right man to become PM in this chaotic political environment just not enough gravitas and to ready to just wing it.
It's a theory, but doesn't fit the events. It looks more as though Boris bottled it, he recognises that delivering on Brexit promises will be impossible and had started to backtrack, he never expected to win and was hoping for a close call to build up his political capital, so when Cameron resigned and left A50 to his successor he effectively had Boris at check-mate. Boris knows that it will be political suicide but Gove seemingly thinks we can make the exit work. Somewhere in the midst of all this is our favourite Australian, Mr Murdoch, the man who (now that those nasty Brussels types are on the run) is really calling the shots.
I agree that Boris didn't believe Brexit would win and that when it did he may well have been discombobulated.
As for your other comments, obviously large corporations and influential individuals will always try to influence events to suit their agenda.
I do not agree that Brexit is doomed, it ain't gonna be easy, but the other option of remaining in an EU trundling towards Fedralism and being tied to the euro causing huge problems for most economies in the long run it was probably the best option.
Who really knows what the World will look like in 10 years ?

Lucas CAV

3,021 posts

218 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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don4l said:
Arron Banks has thrown his weight behind Leadsom.

Things are looking up.

I don't understand the love for her - plenty of soundbites up to the referendum but no more content than any of the other leavers.

Also - came across as patronising imho.

loafer123

15,406 posts

214 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Lucas CAV said:
don4l said:
Arron Banks has thrown his weight behind Leadsom.

Things are looking up.

I don't understand the love for her - plenty of soundbites up to the referendum but no more content than any of the other leavers.

Also - came across as patronising imho.
I agree. May is far more credible.

Balmoral

40,660 posts

247 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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avinalarf said:
Who really knows what the World will look like in 10 years ?
Zoom out and the graph always goes up smile

Halb

Original Poster:

53,012 posts

182 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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For those wondering why Gove did what he did, watch the Daily Politics from today, and the bloke from the Sun newspaper, he has heard what he said from that circle. It seems very plausible.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

97 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Corbyne would vote for May in the Poll.

How to ensure you will never have a majority again, select May.

Job done BTW.

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Balmoral

40,660 posts

247 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Halb said:
For those wondering why Gove did what he did, watch the Daily Politics from today, and the bloke from the Sun newspaper, he has heard what he said from that circle. It seems very plausible.
Both Gove and Leadsom came to the same conclusion at the same time whilst both of them were awaiting on Boris to confirm that he'd thrown them their promised fish. Not so much backstabbing or treachery by anyone, Boris just wasn't keeping up whilst events were moving ever faster.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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ash73 said:
Watched Gove's speech and thought it was poor.
Really poor. Not impressed at all.

aeropilot

34,302 posts

226 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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JNW1 said:
Cameron stood down because he said the country had decided to go in a different direction from what he wanted and therefore he wasn't the right person to take us to the next destination; May wanted the same outcome as Cameron so if you accept Cameron's logic for stepping-down it makes no sense to replace him with May (or indeed anyone else who supported Remain).

However, I don't really accept that the PM has to be a Leave supporter and for that reason I don't think Cameron needed to step-down; I think it was more a case of him thinking "this is going to be awful, why should I be bothered with sorting the mess when I never wanted to leave?". My answer to that would be he created the mess by calling the referendum in the first place and part of the responsibility that goes with his position is to help make things work regardless of the result; therefore, I agree he should have stayed-on as PM for at least another year or so and not fanned the flames by creating a political vacuum.
^This exactly.

He should have shown some statesmanship and leadership. Instead he's made the situation worse by throwing his toys out the pram and made the situation worse.....but I suppose it what is to be expected from this generation of so-called political elite.
None of the prospective replacements are inspiring in any way IMHO.



Boring_Chris

2,348 posts

121 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Just looking at these people as human beings - ignoring their political history, policies etc and the cards on the table at any given moment - can anyone imagine Michael Gove sitting opposite Vladimir Putin, or Barack Obama, and walking away feeling like he'd won anything?

Also, I don't believe in 'evil' as a concept (because I'm not 12) but Theresa May is as close to it as you're ever going to get. But at least she'd stand up as a credible leader.

Boris? Jesus Christ.

Yay Brexit.

Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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JNW1 said:
My answer to that would be he created the mess by calling the referendum in the first place
I think you can trace this back all the way to 1997 and a certain Mr Bliar winning an election by promising the moon on a stick.

He crippled the economy and destroyed Labour's ability to be an effective opposition once they left power.

Now you're left with Tories making the correct but tough decision to cut spending, and a power vacuum on the other side. Which was filled by UKIP who could point to all the cuts and blame the EU / anybody but the British people and had a loud shouty leader who's good at getting in the press.

In order to win the last election something had to be offered to make those UKIP people vote Tory otherwise Cameron would have to basically say "Nah we'll sit this one out thanks" (which wouldn't really go down well), and we'd have Ed Milliband as PM. <shudder>

Now if Tony had been any good, and screwed up a little but not destroyed the economy, they would still have been a strong opposition and between them and the Tories they could have kept UKIP in it's hole where it should have been.

However, Tony was a . So we end up here.



Munter

31,319 posts

240 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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aeropilot said:
^This exactly.

He should have shown some statesmanship and leadership. Instead he's made the situation worse by throwing his toys out the pram and made the situation worse.....but I suppose it what is to be expected from this generation of so-called political elite.
None of the prospective replacements are inspiring in any way IMHO.
Or he could be creating enough chaos, that MPs do what they feel is right when it comes to voting in Parliament, and just possibly they'll reject Brexit without strong leadership. That would be chaos but...we have chaos.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Friday 1st July 2016
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Gove has it to lose imho.