Tory Leadership Election
Poll: Tory Leadership Election
Total Members Polled: 433
Discussion
m3jappa said:
From the small amount i have seen i really like this Angela leadsom.
She doesn't appear to have any tainted history either, seems like she can hold her own and seems likeable.
Either her or may, that gove just doesn't look credible, he doesn't seem to strike any authority at all, i wouldn't be nervous meeting him, i would be nervous to meet may and possibly leadsom, much much more credible on the face of things.
Whoever gets the top job has an opportunity here to become a great leader or a total total failure.
The reason Angela Leadsom is untainted is she hasn't actually done anything of any significance. She doesn't appear to have any tainted history either, seems like she can hold her own and seems likeable.
Either her or may, that gove just doesn't look credible, he doesn't seem to strike any authority at all, i wouldn't be nervous meeting him, i would be nervous to meet may and possibly leadsom, much much more credible on the face of things.
Whoever gets the top job has an opportunity here to become a great leader or a total total failure.
PositronicRay said:
The reason Angela Leadsom is untainted is she hasn't actually done anything of any significance.
Like the rest of the Tories before 2010?Leadsom however has had a career in the financial sector before coming into politics.
Unfortunately May has been responsible for our Border Force, Policing, snooper's charter etc.
Skywalker said:
PositronicRay said:
The reason Angela Leadsom is untainted is she hasn't actually done anything of any significance.
Like the rest of the Tories before 2010?Leadsom however has had a career in the financial sector before coming into politics.
Unfortunately May has been responsible for our Border Force, Policing, snooper's charter etc.
May might have been allegedly eurosceptic, but she (albeit very quietly) backed the remain camp. If we're going to consider May then Dave should have just stayed in the first place.
Gove? Well, all else aside, why would anyone want a man in the job whose insisted for a long time he would be rubbish at it and he's not the right candidate?
s2art said:
I think you underestimate him. He took on the teaching profession, not an easy task, and won. He is doing some good stuff as Lord Chancellor. He tries to do the right thing, not the politically expedient thing.
He says the right things a LC but I'm not sure that he's done anything substantial to date. Much of what he says is already known of course but no one has found ways of correcting it. The legal system is in a mess at the moment and needs someone with foresight and knowledge to support it through the change. I'm not sure we have the person in charge, but one can hope.As for 'taking on the teachers', I agree, that's what he did. My understanding of management is to get people on your side. Mind you, confrontation is often seem as being strong. May has been rewarded with praise for 'taking on' the police. Yet the police can do nothing. It seems to be a style of this government to put everyone's backs up. If that is the intent, then they are successful in one target at least.
One rather strange circumstance was Gove actually producing lesson plans for teachers. Weird or what? That isn't his job.
He also proposed just two weeks holiday per year in the summer. Then, or before, it is difficult to remember, he said that he wanted to take state schools and make them the same at public schools.
Tellingly, the bloke was removed from his post.
I agree he tries to do the right thing. Succeeding on occasion might raise my estimation of him.
taken from a Facebook thread
Maybe he should have bought up a few obvious web addresses
On mobile so link maybe a bit unclicky
http://www.gove2016.co.uk/
Maybe he should have bought up a few obvious web addresses
On mobile so link maybe a bit unclicky
http://www.gove2016.co.uk/
CX53 said:
Her [Leadsom's] experience in finance, business and politics seems perfect for the job. She's my local MP so perhaps I've heard more about her than most, but she seems a far better prospect than May, who by all accounts has been a fairly horrendous Home Secretary IMO. I think Leadsom could give the country clear direction post brexit and really make things happen for our country.
My concerns with Leadsom are:- She seems to have done very little hard graft in politics. By which I mean making things happen, cutting deals. It's easy to pontificate about stuff but much harder to get things done, as pretty much every politician finds out eventually.
- She doesn't have broad appeal within the country. Most people don't even know who she is. Maybe that's not a problem - who had heard of David Cameron before he ran for the leadership? But she doesn't come across as attractive to non-Tories, IMHO.
- She will find it very hard to build bridges with Remainers. I reckon that most people in the country would be happy with free trade, some restrictions on free movement and no political union. That seems to be roughly where May is. Leadsom comes across as more hard-line than that, though admittedly I have not read all of her speeches and am happy to be educated on this...
AmitG said:
CX53 said:
Her [Leadsom's] experience in finance, business and politics seems perfect for the job. She's my local MP so perhaps I've heard more about her than most, but she seems a far better prospect than May, who by all accounts has been a fairly horrendous Home Secretary IMO. I think Leadsom could give the country clear direction post brexit and really make things happen for our country.
My concerns with Leadsom are:- She seems to have done very little hard graft in politics. By which I mean making things happen, cutting deals. It's easy to pontificate about stuff but much harder to get things done, as pretty much every politician finds out eventually.
- She doesn't have broad appeal within the country. Most people don't even know who she is. Maybe that's not a problem - who had heard of David Cameron before he ran for the leadership? But she doesn't come across as attractive to non-Tories, IMHO.
- She will find it very hard to build bridges with Remainers. I reckon that most people in the country would be happy with free trade, some restrictions on free movement and no political union. That seems to be roughly where May is. Leadsom comes across as more hard-line than that, though admittedly I have not read all of her speeches and am happy to be educated on this...
Looked like showboating a real turn off.
PositronicRay said:
The reason Angela Leadsom is untainted is she hasn't actually done anything of any significance.
ThisAs I have said before this is different to the past few Conservative leadership elections due to the fact that the person elected instantly becomes PM.
For that reason, no matter how interesting the backstory or how good they looked on a few appearances in the Brexit campaign, it is either Gove or May for me.
On a conventional left right axis May is not a more "moderate" alternative to Gove. What she is is the establishment continuity candidate. She offers lip service to tackling wealth inequality, just as she offered lip service to the Eurosceptic cause.
Gove has little wider appeal, and if Labour unite behind someone decent would probably lose the 2020 election. He may however give us a better country by 2020.
Charles Moore said:
There is also a question which goes wider even than the EU issue itself. Do the people running the Western world understand that they have been getting it wrong in the 21st century – failing against terrorist extremism, failing to maintain the global balance of power and, above all, failing to promote the “life-chances” of the ordinary citizen. They have shown weakness and self-interest.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/01/the-new-conservative-leader-must-deliver-the-change-that-the-cou////ajd said:
Leadsom appears a total lightweight with no redeeming features.
Gove seems to trying to lose with his speech and WTO position.
May will walk it, and then walk us into staying in the EU. Phew!
Why do you say that?Gove seems to trying to lose with his speech and WTO position.
May will walk it, and then walk us into staying in the EU. Phew!
If theres one thing that May hasnt liked about the EU over the years its the interference in border security
It's surprising that May has been listed as remain in the poll. If anything she appears pretty much in line with the 50:50 vote some things about EU are good, some things we need rid of
Cant see anyone else being a better middle grounder
She'll takes us out, try to retain the trading position to keep a foot in both camps and regain the borders
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 2nd July 09:38
JagLover said:
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As I have said before this is different to the past few Conservative leadership elections due to the fact that the person elected instantly becomes PM.
For that reason, no matter how interesting the backstory or how good they looked on a few appearances in the Brexit campaign, it is either Gove or May for me.
On a conventional left right axis May is not a more "moderate" alternative to Gove. What she is is the establishment continuity candidate. She offers lip service to tackling wealth inequality, just as she offered lip service to the Eurosceptic cause.
Gove has little wider appeal, and if Labour unite behind someone decent would probably lose the 2020 election. He may however give us a better country by 2020.
You think Gove has what it takes to be a PM? He's undoubtedly bright, but after 'et tu, Brutus' moment, I think he's damaged goods. No charisma at all.As I have said before this is different to the past few Conservative leadership elections due to the fact that the person elected instantly becomes PM.
For that reason, no matter how interesting the backstory or how good they looked on a few appearances in the Brexit campaign, it is either Gove or May for me.
On a conventional left right axis May is not a more "moderate" alternative to Gove. What she is is the establishment continuity candidate. She offers lip service to tackling wealth inequality, just as she offered lip service to the Eurosceptic cause.
Gove has little wider appeal, and if Labour unite behind someone decent would probably lose the 2020 election. He may however give us a better country by 2020.
bmw535i said:
Someone just suggested that May is only saying "Brexit means Brexit" now, and she'll turn as soon as she is elected leader.
She won't turn immediately.She'll go through the motions for several months and work up a brexit-exit with Merkel.
She'll make alot about "getting the best possible deal for the UK"
Slowly she'll make the case that that means staying in.
Basically what Camerloon should have done in the first place.
She'll have to judge the timing carefully.
There are not enough brexit MPs to overturn her and the chaos of the current post brexit atmosphere is ample evidence to shove in the face of brexiters and say - "give over, the instability is killing us".
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